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Post by Heart of fools gold on Jan 5, 2021 23:29:05 GMT -5
Can you explain how Mahomes is overrated? No seriously hes in year 4 has an MVP, a SB MVP and is neck and neck with Rodgers for a 2nd MVP! What does he have to do to prove to "you" he's one of the best playing atm? Matthew Stafford is overrated, Rivers is overrated, but Mahomes isn't. Just except it the dude is gonna be the face of the league for a long time to come and by the end of his career as long as he remains healthy he'll probably be at the top or near the top of all the QB records Can't accept something that's not true. Oh, and Stafford and Rivers are not overrated. Ok, how about instead of just putting your fingers in your ears going lalala cant hear you idk actually defend your point? Maybe give a reason Mahomes is overrated but Rivers and Stafford get the seal of approval when both are perennial underachiers
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on Jan 5, 2021 23:30:17 GMT -5
Just because you don’t like someone doesn’t make everything you say about them magically true. I don’t like LeBron James. I’d sound downright stupid if I shouted from the rooftops how overrated he is. 🙄 LeBron is overrated as well and is part of why I refuse to watch the NBA. Okay cool. That says everything we need to know.
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on Jan 5, 2021 23:35:09 GMT -5
Can't accept something that's not true. Oh, and Stafford and Rivers are not overrated. Ok, how about instead of just putting your fingers in your ears going lalala cant hear you idk actually defend your point? Maybe give a reason Mahomes is overrated but Rivers and Stafford get the seal of approval when both are perennial underachiers If you were to switch Trubisky and Mahomes around Mahomes would be flopping hard because Andy Reid at least can coach QBs. Oh, and the "win" at SB54? Mahomes sucked utter ass in that game and everyone acted like he was an immaculate hero. Mahomes only puts up the numbers he does because 1. coaching and 2. weak-ass division. Including the Raiders. WHICH BEAT MAHOMES THIS YEAR and that loss looks worse and worse for Kansas City each passing week. I've made these points on numerous occasions and NOBODY, NOBODY has been able to prove otherwise. All I end up hearing is "lol u hater" and nothing else.
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on Jan 5, 2021 23:42:09 GMT -5
Ok, how about instead of just putting your fingers in your ears going lalala cant hear you idk actually defend your point? Maybe give a reason Mahomes is overrated but Rivers and Stafford get the seal of approval when both are perennial underachiers If you were to switch Trubisky and Mahomes around Mahomes would be flopping hard because Andy Reid at least can coach QBs. Oh, and the "win" at SB54? Mahomes sucked utter ass in that game and everyone acted like he was an immaculate hero. Mahomes only puts up the numbers he does because 1. coaching and 2. weak-ass division. Including the Raiders. WHICH BEAT MAHOMES THIS YEAR and that loss looks worse and worse for Kansas City each passing week. I've made these points on numerous occasions and NOBODY, NOBODY has been able to prove otherwise. All I end up hearing is "lol u hater" and nothing else. So is Aaron Rodgers overrated because he lost to the lame ass Vikings this season, or is that totally different?
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on Jan 5, 2021 23:45:35 GMT -5
If you were to switch Trubisky and Mahomes around Mahomes would be flopping hard because Andy Reid at least can coach QBs. Oh, and the "win" at SB54? Mahomes sucked utter ass in that game and everyone acted like he was an immaculate hero. Mahomes only puts up the numbers he does because 1. coaching and 2. weak-ass division. Including the Raiders. WHICH BEAT MAHOMES THIS YEAR and that loss looks worse and worse for Kansas City each passing week. I've made these points on numerous occasions and NOBODY, NOBODY has been able to prove otherwise. All I end up hearing is "lol u hater" and nothing else. So is Aaron Rodgers overrated because he lost to the lame ass Vikings this season, or is that totally different? Vikings have an elite RB. What exactly do the Raiders have?
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Post by Mecca on Jan 6, 2021 1:05:28 GMT -5
Mahomes has a career winning percentage of something like 83%.
He's 37-8 in the regular season, 4-1 in the postseason. Through his number of games played no QB has more TDS or a higher rating...
To this dude it doesn't matter what Mahomes does he's just some bum and that's weird as hell.
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on Jan 6, 2021 1:10:17 GMT -5
Mahomes has a career winning percentage of something like 83%. He's 37-8 in the regular season, 4-1 in the postseason. Through his number of games played no QB has more TDS or a higher rating... To this dude it doesn't matter what Mahomes does he's just some bum and that's weird as hell. Plays in a weak-ass division, two of those playoff wins were against f***ing awful coaches and another was against a team with zero defense whatsoever. It's not weird. IT'S FACT. Mahomes is f***ing overrated and the proof is RIGHT. THERE.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jan 6, 2021 7:40:58 GMT -5
Can you explain how Mahomes is overrated? No seriously hes in year 4 has an MVP, a SB MVP and is neck and neck with Rodgers for a 2nd MVP! What does he have to do to prove to "you" he's one of the best playing atm? Matthew Stafford is overrated, Rivers is overrated, but Mahomes isn't. Just except it the dude is gonna be the face of the league for a long time to come and by the end of his career as long as he remains healthy he'll probably be at the top or near the top of all the QB records Oh, and Stafford and Rivers are not overrated. I like both Rivers and Stafford and don't care much for Mahomes, but let's not get silly now by saying Mahomes is overrated but those two aren't. Mahomes is 4 years into his career and has a title that he was a massive part of, along with a terrific career record. Meanwhile, Stafford is total ass against good teams, his career record speaks for itself, and Rivers had a whole bunch of loaded Chargers teams who won absolutely jack shit when it mattered.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jan 6, 2021 7:49:21 GMT -5
Colts 30 Bills 27 (upset special)
Seahawks 27 Rams 20
Bucs 34 WFT 21
Titans 31 Ravens 23
Saints 28 Bears 20
Steelers 31 Browns 27
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Post by Push R Truth on Jan 6, 2021 8:00:20 GMT -5
Watch Trubumsky have a game where he passed for 400 yards, 5 TD's and looks like the second coming of Football Jesus and they crush the Saints. Then the next game, in Trubumsky fashion, he passes for 150 yards and 4 picks and the Bears lose 35 - 6
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Post by Spider2024 on Jan 6, 2021 10:28:37 GMT -5
Predictions! (I'm not doing score predictions.)
-Bills over Colts It's a 7-seed, Charlie Brown! I will say that it does make the playoffs more intriguing and interesting, so I like the playoff change. Now we'll see how competitive the lucky 7s can be. The Colts aren't nearly as good of a team as the Bills, but working in their favor is QB Philip Rivers, and the fact that the Bills have the accursed 13-3 record (Dun dun DUNNNNNNN!) Still though, I think the Bills are a for-real contender and perhaps the only team that can stop the Chiefs from returning to the SB.
-Steelers over Browns Poor Browns. I actually think they're a little bit better than the Steelers overall, except the Steelers have literally always had Brown's number in a big-brother, little-brother type of way. The Steelers will win this, because that is what they do, humiliate the Browns. (Also because the game is in Pittsburgh and they have a hall of fame QB and coach.)
-Ravens over Titans My upset special. Ravens aren't as good as they were last year. Titans are better than they were last year. Titans are hosting the game. I pick Ravens to win, mainly for the revenge factor, and because Lamar Jackson badly needs to prove himself in a playoff game. He'll ball out this time, and the Ravens will steal this one.
-Saints over Bears It's a shame, I actually think Mitchell Trubisky still has some chance to be a quality starter in this league. But most people have already lost hope in him. An upset certainly could happen and would definitely put Mitch back in good graces. But Saints win because Brees.
-Seahawks over Rams Seattle is still a tough place to play, even without most of the '12th man' effect in that stadium. Still, Mr. Ciara will lead his team to victory.
-Bucs over ________ Go Brady. Pretty much all the fellow Patriots fans I know have said "I'm not rooting against him per se, I'm just not rooting for him either." I'll be happy to root for the Tom Brady Buccaneers (just as long as they're not playing the Pats in any future games.)
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Post by Sicho100 on Jan 6, 2021 17:57:36 GMT -5
Ok, how about instead of just putting your fingers in your ears going lalala cant hear you idk actually defend your point? Maybe give a reason Mahomes is overrated but Rivers and Stafford get the seal of approval when both are perennial underachiers If you were to switch Trubisky and Mahomes around Mahomes would be flopping hard because Andy Reid at least can coach QBs. Oh, and the "win" at SB54? Mahomes sucked utter ass in that game and everyone acted like he was an immaculate hero. Mahomes only puts up the numbers he does because 1. coaching and 2. weak-ass division. Including the Raiders. WHICH BEAT MAHOMES THIS YEAR and that loss looks worse and worse for Kansas City each passing week. I've made these points on numerous occasions and NOBODY, NOBODY has been able to prove otherwise. All I end up hearing is "lol u hater" and nothing else. It's quite convenient that Andy Reid only began coaching in 2018, because otherwise, we would be able to compare how Mahomes has done under Reid compared to other quarterbacks that Reid has coached. Like, imagine if in 2017, there were a solid NFL starting QB that had effectively the same team Mahomes has had, with the same weapons, and even the same coach. If that sort of scenario had occurred - which it obviously didn't, again, Andy Reid appeared out of nowhere in 2018 - then we would be able to have about as effective a control experiment regarding Mahomes's talent as possible. It's a real shame that didn't happen. It's also a good thing that NFL teams never have off days. Imagine if a top-seeded playoff team had struggled against the worst team in the league so much that they were only able to squeak out a four point win against a team that only managed one win all year. And imagine if that one seed followed up that poor performance by immediately losing to the only team that lost to that one-win team. I mean, if that were to have happened - which it obviously didn't, I have no idea why you would think I'm talking about the Packers - that would be a sign that maybe the "Any Given Sunday" mantra at least has some connection to reality. Luckily, that's not the case, and so we know that any loss by the Chiefs is proof that Patrick Mahomes is at best a fringe NFL starter. And, finally, it's a good thing that only one division is bad, and by some miracle, it happens to be the one Mahomes is in. It's not like their divisional opponents combined for the exact same number of wins as the other number one seed's divisional opponents. And Mahomes's divisional rivals certainly didn't combine for more wins than the divisional rivals of either conference's number two seed. I mean, there's no way that would have happened - as we all know, the Chiefs and the Chiefs alone play all of their games against the Washington Generals. And hopefully the Chiefs will believe this too, and decide to trade Mahomes for Trubisky.
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on Jan 6, 2021 18:29:14 GMT -5
If you were to switch Trubisky and Mahomes around Mahomes would be flopping hard because Andy Reid at least can coach QBs. Oh, and the "win" at SB54? Mahomes sucked utter ass in that game and everyone acted like he was an immaculate hero. Mahomes only puts up the numbers he does because 1. coaching and 2. weak-ass division. Including the Raiders. WHICH BEAT MAHOMES THIS YEAR and that loss looks worse and worse for Kansas City each passing week. I've made these points on numerous occasions and NOBODY, NOBODY has been able to prove otherwise. All I end up hearing is "lol u hater" and nothing else. It's quite convenient that Andy Reid only began coaching in 2018, because otherwise, we would be able to compare how Mahomes has done under Reid compared to other quarterbacks that Reid has coached. Like, imagine if in 2017, there were a solid NFL starting QB that had effectively the same team Mahomes has had, with the same weapons, and even the same coach. If that sort of scenario had occurred - which it obviously didn't, again, Andy Reid appeared out of nowhere in 2018 - then we would be able to have about as effective a control experiment regarding Mahomes's talent as possible. It's a real shame that didn't happen. It's also a good thing that NFL teams never have off days. Imagine if a top-seeded playoff team had struggled against the worst team in the league so much that they were only able to squeak out a four point win against a team that only managed one win all year. And imagine if that one seed followed up that poor performance by immediately losing to the only team that lost to that one-win team. I mean, if that were to have happened - which it obviously didn't, I have no idea why you would think I'm talking about the Packers - that would be a sign that maybe the "Any Given Sunday" mantra at least has some connection to reality. Luckily, that's not the case, and so we know that any loss by the Chiefs is proof that Patrick Mahomes is at best a fringe NFL starter. And, finally, it's a good thing that only one division is bad, and by some miracle, it happens to be the one Mahomes is in. It's not like their divisional opponents combined for the exact same number of wins as the other number one seed's divisional opponents. And Mahomes's divisional rivals certainly didn't combine for more wins than the divisional rivals of either conference's number two seed. I mean, there's no way that would have happened - as we all know, the Chiefs and the Chiefs alone play all of their games against the Washington Generals. And hopefully the Chiefs will believe this too, and decide to trade Mahomes for Trubisky. So in short... “Lol Ur a hater” 😂🙄
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Post by horsemen4ever on Jan 6, 2021 19:06:47 GMT -5
Giving the circumstances, you are playing in almost empty stadiums anyway, I wonder for secure reasons the NFL will move the Bucs / Washington to a neutral site?
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on Jan 6, 2021 23:13:55 GMT -5
If you were to switch Trubisky and Mahomes around Mahomes would be flopping hard because Andy Reid at least can coach QBs. Oh, and the "win" at SB54? Mahomes sucked utter ass in that game and everyone acted like he was an immaculate hero. Mahomes only puts up the numbers he does because 1. coaching and 2. weak-ass division. Including the Raiders. WHICH BEAT MAHOMES THIS YEAR and that loss looks worse and worse for Kansas City each passing week. I've made these points on numerous occasions and NOBODY, NOBODY has been able to prove otherwise. All I end up hearing is "lol u hater" and nothing else. It's quite convenient that Andy Reid only began coaching in 2018, because otherwise, we would be able to compare how Mahomes has done under Reid compared to other quarterbacks that Reid has coached. Like, imagine if in 2017, there were a solid NFL starting QB that had effectively the same team Mahomes has had, with the same weapons, and even the same coach. If that sort of scenario had occurred - which it obviously didn't, again, Andy Reid appeared out of nowhere in 2018 - then we would be able to have about as effective a control experiment regarding Mahomes's talent as possible. It's a real shame that didn't happen. It's also a good thing that NFL teams never have off days. Imagine if a top-seeded playoff team had struggled against the worst team in the league so much that they were only able to squeak out a four point win against a team that only managed one win all year. And imagine if that one seed followed up that poor performance by immediately losing to the only team that lost to that one-win team. I mean, if that were to have happened - which it obviously didn't, I have no idea why you would think I'm talking about the Packers - that would be a sign that maybe the "Any Given Sunday" mantra at least has some connection to reality. Luckily, that's not the case, and so we know that any loss by the Chiefs is proof that Patrick Mahomes is at best a fringe NFL starter. And, finally, it's a good thing that only one division is bad, and by some miracle, it happens to be the one Mahomes is in. It's not like their divisional opponents combined for the exact same number of wins as the other number one seed's divisional opponents. And Mahomes's divisional rivals certainly didn't combine for more wins than the divisional rivals of either conference's number two seed. I mean, there's no way that would have happened - as we all know, the Chiefs and the Chiefs alone play all of their games against the Washington Generals. And hopefully the Chiefs will believe this too, and decide to trade Mahomes for Trubisky. I'm going to ignore the extremely rude and uncalled for tone and instead explain my points again. 1. Even when he was a playoff flop in Philadelphia, Andy Reid has always excelled at coaching QBs. I've always complimented him on that. Donovan McNabb was at his best as an Eagle barring SB39. Michael Vick's brief career resurrection in 2010 was thanks to Reid. Alex Smith had the best year of his career in 2017. And keep in mind, quite a few draft boards didn't have Mahomes as the top QB (and for the record, I thought he was overrated before the draft. This is not some recent thing). Trubisky has struggled in Chicago because he doesn't have the coaching that Mahomes has had. So yes, if the two were to be switched around, it would be Trubisky I'd be sick of hearing about and Bears fans would be saying that Mahomes isn't the answer. This is all because of Andy Reid. Hell, I'll use two of THE worst QBs I've ever seen wear a Packer uniform to show how much respect I have for Reid's QB whispering skills: Scott Tolzien and DeShone "Gonna Be Better Than Brady" Kizer. If they had Reid as coach they'd both be a shitton better. In fact, there's very few QBs that Reid wouldn't be able to work with, and those are ones with awful attitude issues (Manziel, Haskins, JaMarcus Russell). 2. The Chiefs haven't just had off days. This SEASON has been off. This is one of the weakest 14-2 teams I've seen, and it's not a Mahomes thing either. CEH aside, the run game is flawed or at least not on the level of the top 10 run offenses. Defensively, they look like SHIT. They should not be struggling through so many close games against teams they theoretically should be obliterating. Honestly, they should be WORSE than 14-2 right now. They feel like they're playing down to their competition, almost as bad as Pittsburgh in that regard. And you can only play with fire so many times before you get burned. This segues into: 3. The AFC West SUCKS. Plain and simple. New England, to be fair to them, had the same benefit for a good chunk of their run. Being in a weak division absolutely has a lot to do with Kansas City seeming invincible. But it also masks a lot of flaws. Look at what happened to Green Bay last year. My being down on Mahomes and the Chiefs isn't just because I'm f***ing sick and tired of hearing everyone act like they're this absolutely perfect destroyer of worlds. There's plenty of facts to back it all up, too.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jan 6, 2021 23:27:00 GMT -5
With my Patriots out of the postseason for the first time since 2008-09, I've decided to adopt two teams - one from each conference - that I'll become a fan of for this season's playoffs. In the NFC, it's obviously the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, because of Tom Brady and, to a lesser extent, Rob Gronkowski. In the AFC, it'll be the Cleveland Browns, as I'd love to see the poor fans of that seemingly permanently moribund franchise have something to celebrate. Honestly, I think that the Browns’ fans kinda like it. I don’t think you nickname your own home stadium the “Factory of Sadness” unless that is the case.
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on Jan 6, 2021 23:32:00 GMT -5
With my Patriots out of the postseason for the first time since 2008-09, I've decided to adopt two teams - one from each conference - that I'll become a fan of for this season's playoffs. In the NFC, it's obviously the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, because of Tom Brady and, to a lesser extent, Rob Gronkowski. In the AFC, it'll be the Cleveland Browns, as I'd love to see the poor fans of that seemingly permanently moribund franchise have something to celebrate. Honestly, I think that the Browns’ fans kinda like it. I don’t think you nickname your own home stadium the “Factory of Sadness” unless that is the case. I mean, I actually have the Browns picked to win it all.
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on Jan 6, 2021 23:32:10 GMT -5
With my Patriots out of the postseason for the first time since 2008-09, I've decided to adopt two teams - one from each conference - that I'll become a fan of for this season's playoffs. In the NFC, it's obviously the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, because of Tom Brady and, to a lesser extent, Rob Gronkowski. In the AFC, it'll be the Cleveland Browns, as I'd love to see the poor fans of that seemingly permanently moribund franchise have something to celebrate. Honestly, I think that the Browns’ fans kinda like it. I don’t think you nickname your own home stadium the “Factory of Sadness” unless that is the case. I mean, I actually have the Browns picked to win it all.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jan 6, 2021 23:57:19 GMT -5
I think Mahomes is quite capable, but he does have a number of things going for him that would make even a mediocre QB look decent:
1) Andy Reid really is a good coach. He has his weaknesses, but damn does he make QBs look good always.
2) Kelce and Hill clean up a lot of messes. There are a lot of plays that get busted up where Mahomes looks like a genius because one or the other recognized the issue and bailed him out. Granted, most successful teams have veterans who do that, but these two seem especially cogent about it.
3) He has a good offensive line in front of him.
4) He does get the “Peyton Manning” treatment. By that I mean that the officials more or less seem to have a mandate from the NFL to favor the Golden Boy’s team. This is especially true regarding offensive holding calls, or lack there of.
Having said all of that, he still has a damned cannon, is very accurate, doesn’t make a lot of bad decisions, scrambles well enough when needed. While I think Trubisky would be better than he has been if he swapped spots with Mahomes, I don’t think he would have done near as well. The only QB that might have been better is Watson.
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Post by Push R Truth on Jan 7, 2021 10:16:18 GMT -5
Watson on a team surrounded with good offensive support would be scary. This year he still put up numbers while being asked to make Sunday dinner with a half box of triscuts, some ketchup packets and a single hotplate.
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