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Post by Savage Gambino on Feb 26, 2021 6:18:24 GMT -5
Not bad for what amounts to an exposition dump {Spoiler} (*she, but point still stands lol)
The "chaos magic" and "Scarlet Witch" namedrops were kinda corny, but not any cornier than Star-Lord's "we're the Guardians of the Galaxy" in the climax of their first film.
Love the explanation for "why sitcoms"; because they were a comfort for Wanda, and the Maximoff family used them to learn English. Which also feels like they were trying to leave Sokovia before the bombing, which is that much sadder (it's easy to miss in all of the superhero talk, but MCU Wanda is essentially a refugee).
Very curious as to what Agatha and Hayward's endgames are (no pun intended), as well as the impostor Pietro. And White Vision.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Feb 26, 2021 6:28:36 GMT -5
{Spoiler}Very curious as to what Agatha and Hayward's endgames are (no pun intended), as well as the impostor Pietro. And White Vision. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}Hayward's endgame was obviously reactivating Vision as a ultra hi-tech drone, and now he has a chance to get his hands on a second one.
I'm guessing Agatha either wants Wanda's power for herself, is actually a Mordo-like character who's taken it upon herself to limit the number of magical beings in the world, or is enacting some as-yet unrevealed plan by a higher power.
I'm pretty much convinced fake Pietro is a multiverse Peter Maximoff.
Outside chance of White Vision being Ultron looking to even the score with Vision.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Feb 26, 2021 6:45:57 GMT -5
{Spoiler}My theory on Hayward - he has no ulterior motive or secret agenda. He's simply an idiot who played his hand incredibly poorly. Long shot I know, but it's what I'm going with.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Feb 26, 2021 7:13:04 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW} So, we know now that Wanda at least had some level of power before she got boosted by the stone, and the kids have already been shown to have powers they got via birthright.
Probably the closest we've gotten to actual mutant implications so far.
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Post by mattperiolat on Feb 26, 2021 7:49:52 GMT -5
OK, best episode of the series so far. I’ll die on this hill. I’m just angry that they got Up in my WandaVision. {Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}I’m serious, I started crying the minute Wanda said “I can’t feel you.” Olson deserves an Emmy for that moment alone. And she DIDN’T steal Vision, she RE-MADE him... what she remembered... the life they should have had... that he wanted for her. Hence the Up reference.
Through an odd quirk of fate, I re-watched AOU with a friend on Monday and that actually helped put the pieces together - context for the scenes we walked through. And it all helps, you get to empathize with Wanda and her pain. So. Much. Damn. Pain.
But she’s not really... hurting anyone. She needs this to learn to live with the pain. And she might honestly have been fine until Agatha showed up to monkey with things and had Hayward stayed out. Eventually she would have processed enough to let the walls down on her own.
And I’m in serious uh-oh mode. Hayfield gave us A Vision, but we’re all praying it’s not Ultron. If it is, which I sense may be, we’re f***ed.
Next week, it’s big game time. Agatha wants something, White Vision is in play and Wanda... needs to process. Where does it all lead?
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Post by Moppy on Feb 26, 2021 9:18:27 GMT -5
I thought it was a great episode of television. Olsen and Hahn are such powerhouses.
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Post by Hurbster on Feb 26, 2021 9:27:27 GMT -5
Not my favourite episode so far.
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Post by mattperiolat on Feb 26, 2021 9:33:46 GMT -5
Oh, one more thing... {Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}Yes, Agatha All Along song and iconography will make mucho dinero, but I’m kinda hoping that outline of Wanda as Scarlet Witch in the Mind Stone sells too. That was cool and that’s going to be a bitching costume reveal.
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Post by thatloser on Feb 26, 2021 10:07:49 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}I marked for the Dick Van Dyke Show bit, my parents have that DVD set (that...DVD DVD set)I think!
Wow I feel really stupid that I didn't catch that Westview has TV right in the middle until that logo of the shop as Wanda pulled in.
"Isn't grief just the perseverance of love?" ;___;
WAIT IT JUST HIT ME NOW TOO WAS THAT TECHNICALLY MAGNETO? {Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW} Nah. In the comics they didn't know Magneto was their Dad till they where in the Avengers, I think (It was a retcon) but then again since around Age Of Ultron it's been retconned again, Magneto is not there Dad again and they are not even mutants.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Feb 26, 2021 10:51:26 GMT -5
What a sucker punch of an episode. Right in the feels. Over and over again. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}The sokovia flashback really got me. How something so silly as people playing pretend and enjoying it with family can make even some of the most dire situations seem okay. If not incredible.
And Wandas flashback scene with Vision at the compound. Olsen, again, showing her raw chops. And Bettany, great as usual, and sourcing the adolescent stage of Vision again. “But what is Grief, if not love persevering?”
And Wanda entering Westview. All those faces, who we’d see, but to Wanda were new, endless possibilities of people she could meet and create a life for at a time when she felt absolutely alone.
f***, man. A lot of trauma there. A lot of sympathy but also source for Wandas breaking points, terrible actions, and all the comic book-y “shenanigans” as well . Love this show. And all of its colors, layers and dimensions. Just a great palette. Magnificent. And that post credits scene.. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}Some spoilers were definitely right.
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Post by Legion on Feb 26, 2021 11:37:20 GMT -5
{Spoiler} I think Agatha may end up a bit more benevolent after all. She doesnt appear to want to hurt Wanda, she's just prodding her to find out what she is and what she can do. I really hope that's the ending we get, with her now teaming up to teach her, just like she was denied being taught all those years ago by her own mother.
I'm very much thinking there may not be a big bad here after all, and this really is just Wanda being much more powerful that anyone thought, and her trauma brought it all out.
Hayward is just a bad director/human trope.
The one and only extra detail we have yet to see realised is that I thought there was a spoiler about Dick Van Dyke being on set for something. Maybe he just came in as an advisor on the aesthetic, but I could also see him show up as some sort of Mephisto figure....but there doesnt seem to be enough time left for that.
As such, I think it'll just be crazy white Vision needing to be stopped, somehow Wanda's Vision and that one merge, and that is how we get Vision back.
Wanda is in Doctor Strange, but isnt actually a villain after all, he'll just need her help and raw magic and they'll be some comedy moment between him and Agatha.
I'd almost feel let down with no bad after all this, but I'd let it go to get Agatha in her comics accurate role.
The kids are the big ? for me now. What is going to happen to those twins...
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Post by Stu on Feb 26, 2021 11:41:18 GMT -5
The biggest shocker {Spoiler} Senor Scratchy eating an insect!!!
*Mind blown*
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Post by Zaq "That Guy" Buzzkill on Feb 26, 2021 11:43:10 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}It's funny because a man was grievously injured.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2021 12:06:36 GMT -5
Like, man...if Olsen, Bettany, and Hahn don't get nominees out of this, something is truly wrong.
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Post by Legion on Feb 26, 2021 12:30:39 GMT -5
Oh, one more thing... {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}Yes, Agatha All Along song and iconography will make mucho dinero, but I’m kinda hoping that outline of Wanda as Scarlet Witch in the Mind Stone sells too. That was cool and that’s going to be a bitching costume reveal. {Spoiler} Will it be her as her - maybe from the future via the power of the Life Force she wielded in Children's Crusade, or will it be some force of feminine magic, or her real mother ala. James Robinson's Witch's Road story from the comics. She may be about to find out her mother and father weren't her mother and father at all, and could just be random or a renamed aunt and uncle. There is lots that image could be or mean...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2021 12:36:47 GMT -5
{Spoiler}The one and only extra detail we have yet to see realised is that I thought there was a spoiler about Dick Van Dyke being on set for something. Maybe he just came in as an advisor on the aesthetic, but I could also see him show up as some sort of Mephisto figure....but there doesnt seem to be enough time left for that. {Spoiler}He was apparently consulted, by Fiege and the showrunner, in regards to the classic sitcom setup they were using, in regards to timing and shooting and all that.
But when Bettany said "cameo forthcoming with an actor I've always wanted to work with and can't believe it happening" my mind went right to him since he'd been brought up in that rather minor capacity already.....and Dick Van Dyke, to me, absolutely fits that bill of "I can't believe he'd ever show up in Marvel TV/film."
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Post by mattperiolat on Feb 26, 2021 13:04:10 GMT -5
Like, man...if Olsen, Bettany, and Hahn don't get nominees out of this, something is truly wrong. I’ll go one better: {Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}Agatha is my favorite Marvel villain behind Thanos and Loki and they BETTER keep her around for future Marvel stuff. I’m dead serious, between the character and Hahn’s performance, we need this character in the MCU. Badly.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2021 13:14:46 GMT -5
That was a fantastic f***ing episode the only problem is....with the tiny ammount of episodes this is something that really is more of a midseason finale and not the pneultimate episode to a series and so we come to the counter arguement to why having a much smaller ammount of episodes is a good thing. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}But again I loved this episode....all the backtracking , deep delving into Wadas psyche...her FINALLY getting what her powers are confirmed . THE SCARLETT WITCH NICKNAME!!! , WHITE FREAKING VISION!!!....it was not action heavy but it was such a great delve into Wanda's whole character and now pushing her forward to who she really is to become. Oh and Agatha that witches outfit wow lol
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2021 13:37:16 GMT -5
If you want to get a little on the nose. {Spoiler}We were taken on a trope that most shows go through. The requisite clip show before the finale. They weren't clips we seen before, but Agatha was taking Wanda back in time to the past to relive memories.
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Post by RKTaker on Feb 26, 2021 13:41:15 GMT -5
{Spoiler} So Wands can't revive Vision but she can make another vision out of nothing? also what is Agatha's plan? obviously there's some reason why she's trying to figure out how Wanda made a new vision, and mind controlled a whole town but f*** if I know what it is
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