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Post by Stu on Feb 26, 2021 18:20:16 GMT -5
So at first, I found the episode was underwhelming and nowhere near a standout like some of the others. But then I thought about it and understood this wasn't a fan-servicy episode we wanted; it was an episode we needed. It progressed the story and answered some (but not all) questions. The end is near and this episode played a big part in getting there. Some questions and observations {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler} What's up with Hayward? Why did he lie about Wanda stealing Vision when it would've been easier to tell everyone SWORD still has the body and he has no idea why he's showing up on television.
Disappointed we didn't get Monica, Jimmy and Darcy this week. I love those guys.
Sorta rolled my eyes at "Stark Enterprise" being so visible on the bomb. At first I thought the show was trying too hard to remind us where it's from, then I figured that era's Tony would've wanted his name everywhere in big letters.
Seeing Wanda driving a car (a red one, BTW) is inconsequential yet surreal.
As mentioned earlier, I'm surprised Scratchy ate an insect. That may support the idea Scratchy is another character who was turned into a rabbit.
Interested in how White Vision will be portrayed by Bethany. Will he be totally robotic with no personality, or will he be similar to Ultron? Basically, an evil smartass.
Really sad knowing now that Vision got the deed a long time ago when you think about it. Given the timeline, he had it before Infinity War.
{Spoiler}{Spoiler} Re: The Stark Bomb, in Age of Ultron Wanda says when they were trapped when their parents were killed they were stuck staring at an unexploded bomb that was clearly labeled Stark so they kinda had to hit you over the head with it in the flashback I saw AOU in the theater but haven’t watched it since then and forgot all those details like the one you mentioned. Of the four Avengers films, it’s the only one I didn’t buy upon DVD release.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Feb 26, 2021 18:39:23 GMT -5
So at first, I found the episode was underwhelming and nowhere near a standout like some of the others. But then I thought about it and understood this wasn't a fan-servicy episode we wanted; it was an episode we needed. It progressed the story and answered some (but not all) questions. The end is near and this episode played a big part in getting there. Some questions and observations {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler} What's up with Hayward? Why did he lie about Wanda stealing Vision when it would've been easier to tell everyone SWORD still has the body and he has no idea why he's showing up on television.
Disappointed we didn't get Monica, Jimmy and Darcy this week. I love those guys.
Sorta rolled my eyes at "Stark Enterprise" being so visible on the bomb. At first I thought the show was trying too hard to remind us where it's from, then I figured that era's Tony would've wanted his name everywhere in big letters.
Seeing Wanda driving a car (a red one, BTW) is inconsequential yet surreal.
As mentioned earlier, I'm surprised Scratchy ate an insect. That may support the idea Scratchy is another character who was turned into a rabbit.
Interested in how White Vision will be portrayed by Bethany. Will he be totally robotic with no personality, or will he be similar to Ultron? Basically, an evil smartass.
Really sad knowing now that Vision got the deed a long time ago when you think about it. Given the timeline, he had it before Infinity War.
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}Regarding Heyward, he lied about Vision because Wanda had a working version of Vision and he clearly wants a working version of Vision. It did not matter to him if she took him from the facility or not, he wanted what she had and needed to justify his actions in trying to "recover" him.
Yeah, I was waiting for Monica, Jimmy, Darcy, or even the fake Pietro to show up (he still is a thing, obviously based on the mid-credits scene last week).
I would love it if they got James Spader to overdub White Vision's lines, just to drive home the point. Edit: {Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}I forgot that Heyward also appeared to try to coax Wanda into reanimating Vision using magic. I really think he was hoping she would bring him back online with a little prompting and looked a little disappointed when she said she had no power to do that.
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Post by Legion on Feb 26, 2021 18:51:11 GMT -5
{Spoiler} Lots of people suggesting Ultron might show up in the White Vision body. Spader was apparently on set at one point, so it's possible, but I would personally prefer he show up in GotG3 and that film mirror a version of the Annihilation Conquest storyline and introduce the Phalanx
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Feb 26, 2021 18:53:16 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler} Lots of people suggesting Ultron might show up in the White Vision body. Spader was apparently on set at one point, so it's possible, but I would personally prefer he show up in GotG3 and that film mirror a version of the Annihilation Conquest storyline and introduce the Phalanx {Spoiler}im all for Ultron/Spader getting another whack at things. Especially under the direction of anyone not named Josso Whedon-O
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Post by Chiral on Feb 26, 2021 18:55:04 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}I am now 95% sure the actor Bettany was talking about having scenes with in the finale and fireworks with on set was himself.
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Post by Zaq "That Guy" Buzzkill on Feb 26, 2021 18:55:42 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}Vision: I blue myself.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 26, 2021 18:59:25 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler} Lots of people suggesting Ultron might show up in the White Vision body. Spader was apparently on set at one point, so it's possible, but I would personally prefer he show up in GotG3 and that film mirror a version of the Annihilation Conquest storyline and introduce the Phalanx {Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW} Yea, they kept driving home stuff with Ultron earlier so I had a guess it might happen but that was a total shot in the dark on my part
Be cool if it does. Their own retcon of forget that Avengers movie, let's enhance everything on that
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2021 18:59:54 GMT -5
I feel I can say this without spoilers but please change if not.
The show's exploration of grief and the trauma it inflicts is the most emotionally resonant element that's ever been in the MCU. They're all fun, character driven movies. But they've never done this kind of deep dive into a character's psyche.
Wanda's got from a filler member to the most interesting character in the entire franchise.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2021 19:03:44 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}I love that they laid further foundation for mutants with confirming that Wanda was born with her abilities.
They are drip feeding it but love me the slow burn.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 26, 2021 19:11:06 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}I love that they laid further foundation for mutants with confirming that Wanda was born with her abilities.
They are drip feeding it but love me the slow burn. {Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW} And giving a ton of reasons why their powers could now start manifesting
Agatha said Wanda powers would have essentially gone away if she didn't touch the stone
Wanda Chaos energy helped give Monica her powers and for all we know she wasn't mutant at all so if we assume this goes on a global scale then as I was saying before this is the reverse House of M in regards to her creating more mutants instead of erasing them
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Feb 26, 2021 19:11:55 GMT -5
{Spoiler}Yea, they kept driving home stuff with Ultron earlier so I had a guess it might happen but that was a total shot in the dark on my part {Spoiler}Vision himself is an amalgamation of JARVIS, Ultron, Tony, Bruce, and the Mind Stone.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Feb 26, 2021 19:15:19 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}I am now 95% sure the actor Bettany was talking about having scenes with in the finale and fireworks with on set was himself. For what it's worth {Spoiler}someone on Reddit who has had a 100% accuracy record for every episode they've leaked thus far says that while Bettany could be talking about himself, there is a cameo that would also qualify.
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Post by Legion on Feb 26, 2021 19:18:21 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}I love that they laid further foundation for mutants with confirming that Wanda was born with her abilities.
They are drip feeding it but love me the slow burn. {Spoiler} Lots of people want that to be the case, but I think they are doing the James Robinson 'Witches Road' female empowerment angle.
I would not at all be surprised to see Agatha eventually have a scene with Strange where she berates him for typical 'male' organised magic vs innate feminine magic.
Unless she ends up actually evil, which I'm still not sold on
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2021 19:18:54 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}I love that they laid further foundation for mutants with confirming that Wanda was born with her abilities.
They are drip feeding it but love me the slow burn. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW} And giving a ton of reasons why their powers could now start manifesting
Agatha said Wanda powers would have essentially gone away if she didn't touch the stone
Wanda Chaos energy helped give Monica her powers and for all we know she wasn't mutant at all so if we assume this goes on a global scale then as I was saying before this is the reverse House of M in regards to her creating more mutants instead of erasing them {Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}I guarantee once they officially confirm Mutants and not just cleverly hinting at it like now in the MCU they are gonna go and take everyone back through all the movies and reveal oh yea they have here the whole time and that Cerebo has been used to keep them hidden from everyone this entire time.
Like oh yea that time in Wakanda oh yea Storm was there etc
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Feb 26, 2021 19:22:27 GMT -5
I feel I can say this without spoilers but please change if not. The show's exploration of grief and the trauma it inflicts is the most emotionally resonant element that's ever been in the MCU. They're all fun, character driven movies. But they've never done this kind of deep dive into a character's psyche. Wanda's got from a filler member to the most interesting character in the entire franchise. I mean, PTSD was somewhat explored with Stark in IM3 and particularly Thor in Endgame, so there's that.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 26, 2021 19:29:36 GMT -5
I feel I can say this without spoilers but please change if not. The show's exploration of grief and the trauma it inflicts is the most emotionally resonant element that's ever been in the MCU. They're all fun, character driven movies. But they've never done this kind of deep dive into a character's psyche. Wanda's got from a filler member to the most interesting character in the entire franchise. I mean, PTSD was somewhat explored with Stark in IM3 and particularly Thor in Endgame, so there's that. Yea, Thor is still one of the better examples with how he was handled and how they didn’t just make him “hot Thor” again after his battle with depression and anxiety
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Post by Brood Lone Wolf Funker on Feb 26, 2021 19:32:30 GMT -5
All I'm going to say is this episode hit me so hard in the feelings. I still feel like Wanda constantly tired and I'm drowning with no end in sight
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Feb 26, 2021 19:37:55 GMT -5
{Spoiler}I guarantee once they officially confirm Mutants and not just cleverly hinting at it like now in the MCU they are gonna go and take everyone back through all the movies and reveal oh yea they have here the whole time and that Cerebo has been used to keep them hidden from everyone this entire time.
Like oh yea that time in Wakanda oh yea Storm was there etc {Spoiler}The entire premise of Eternals is that most of them have been on Earth since prehistory, so the idea that superpowered individuals have been hiding in plain sight is definitely going to be explored over the next few years.
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Post by Legion on Feb 26, 2021 19:41:42 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}I guarantee once they officially confirm Mutants and not just cleverly hinting at it like now in the MCU they are gonna go and take everyone back through all the movies and reveal oh yea they have here the whole time and that Cerebo has been used to keep them hidden from everyone this entire time.
Like oh yea that time in Wakanda oh yea Storm was there etc {Spoiler}{Spoiler}The entire premise of Eternals is that most of them have been on Earth since prehistory, so the idea that superpowered individuals have been hiding in plain sight is definitely going to be explored over the next few years. And this is why I think that franchise will intro the mutants as some sort of deviant type. I dont think it comes here.
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Post by Stu on Feb 26, 2021 20:12:13 GMT -5
So did we ever figure out why Vision is suddenly the property of SWORD even though he was an Avenger born from an Infinity Stone and body built by Ultron, who was previously created by Stark and Banner?
And don't say a wizard did it.
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