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Post by BlackoutCreature on Mar 5, 2021 21:06:20 GMT -5
So after letting it stew for a couple of hours, I feel I'm ready to expand on my opinion of the finale - {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}So everything about Wanda and her character-arc reached an emotionally satisfying conclusion. The only complaint I have with her is how at the end everybody in a position of power just let her walk away. She basically held a town hostage for a week, is a gazillion times more powerful then they imagined and they probably have to wonder if she's stable enough to be trusted with her abilities in the first place, but no, they're all like "she learned her lesson, she's free to go". It's just way too easy an ending for me.
But while Wanda reached an emotionally satisfying conclusion, none of the other characters did.
I already went into my issues with fake Quicksilver and stand by them. But I could forgive them for not making him the Fox-verse Quicksilver if they just did something, anything else interesting with him. But they didn't. Just revealing him to be some mind-controlled rando is about as underwhelming and disappointing a direction they could go. Also, how did he get his powers? Did Agatha give them to him? I don't know if I like the idea that a witch can simply grant Avengers level powers to random people, it just sets a bad story precedent.
Agatha was defeated and received her ironic punishment and that was satisfying, but we still don't know why she wanted Wanda/The Scarlet Witch's abilities in the first place? Simply because she wanted that kind of absolute power? That just seems lazy.
Darcy just up and disappeared without even saying goodbye.
White Vision shows up, throws some punches, and leaves. I know he'll probably resurface in future projects, but man did all that just feel pointless.
It seemed like they were setting up Woo with some resolution by calling in back-up from the FBI, but in the end they were meaningless.
Heyward's story never really seems to come together coherently and he just comes off as an idiot in way over his head.
I know they definitely have more plans for Monica and are gonna bring her back in other projects, but on this show she just gets her powers out of nowhere, they're never adequately explained what they are or where they came from, and she doesn't seem to have anything all that interesting to do with them. You can get away with one of these aspects remaining a mystery to be resolved down the line, but not all of them. She honestly wound up not really being all that necessary to the story.
In the end all this just makes the episode feel uneven and like there is a whole bunch of back-story and exposition that just got cut for time.
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Post by ronin705 on Mar 5, 2021 21:19:30 GMT -5
f*** it me and BLM spoke on it in THIS very thread: {Spoiler} (M)ultiverse (O)f (M)adness... Shes the villain of Ds2, maybe with Nightmare
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Post by Larryhausen on Mar 5, 2021 21:36:50 GMT -5
So after letting it stew for a couple of hours, I feel I'm ready to expand on my opinion of the finale - {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}So everything about Wanda and her character-arc reached an emotionally satisfying conclusion. The only complaint I have with her is how at the end everybody in a position of power just let her walk away. She basically held a town hostage for a week, is a gazillion times more powerful then they imagined and they probably have to wonder if she's stable enough to be trusted with her abilities in the first place, but no, they're all like "she learned her lesson, she's free to go". It's just way too easy an ending for me.
But while Wanda reached an emotionally satisfying conclusion, none of the other characters did.
I already went into my issues with fake Quicksilver and stand by them. But I could forgive them for not making him the Fox-verse Quicksilver if they just did something, anything else interesting with him. But they didn't. Just revealing him to be some mind-controlled rando is about as underwhelming and disappointing a direction they could go. Also, how did he get his powers? Did Agatha give them to him? I don't know if I like the idea that a witch can simply grant Avengers level powers to random people, it just sets a bad story precedent.
Agatha was defeated and received her ironic punishment and that was satisfying, but we still don't know why she wanted Wanda/The Scarlet Witch's abilities in the first place? Simply because she wanted that kind of absolute power? That just seems lazy.
Darcy just up and disappeared without even saying goodbye.
White Vision shows up, throws some punches, and leaves. I know he'll probably resurface in future projects, but man did all that just feel pointless.
It seemed like they were setting up Woo with some resolution by calling in back-up from the FBI, but in the end they were meaningless.
Heyward's story never really seems to come together coherently and he just comes off as an idiot in way over his head.
I know they definitely have more plans for Monica and are gonna bring her back in other projects, but on this show she just gets her powers out of nowhere, they're never adequately explained what they are or where they came from, and she doesn't seem to have anything all that interesting to do with them. You can get away with one of these aspects remaining a mystery to be resolved down the line, but not all of them. She honestly wound up not really being all that necessary to the story.
In the end all this just makes the episode feel uneven and like there is a whole bunch of back-story and exposition that just got cut for time. {Spoiler}only gonna argue your first point.
Everyone there knew they were in way, WAYYYYYYYYY, over their heads. If the tried to take her in, who knows how she would react? So I kinda see it as a tactical retreat. Monica has no idea how strong her powers are, White Viz is in the wind, everyone they could probably call in on short notice has too much attachment to take her down, with I guess the exception of Strange, but maybe we'll get some elaboration on that in MOM.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Mar 5, 2021 21:45:05 GMT -5
So after letting it stew for a couple of hours, I feel I'm ready to expand on my opinion of the finale - {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}So everything about Wanda and her character-arc reached an emotionally satisfying conclusion. The only complaint I have with her is how at the end everybody in a position of power just let her walk away. She basically held a town hostage for a week, is a gazillion times more powerful then they imagined and they probably have to wonder if she's stable enough to be trusted with her abilities in the first place, but no, they're all like "she learned her lesson, she's free to go". It's just way too easy an ending for me.
But while Wanda reached an emotionally satisfying conclusion, none of the other characters did.
I already went into my issues with fake Quicksilver and stand by them. But I could forgive them for not making him the Fox-verse Quicksilver if they just did something, anything else interesting with him. But they didn't. Just revealing him to be some mind-controlled rando is about as underwhelming and disappointing a direction they could go. Also, how did he get his powers? Did Agatha give them to him? I don't know if I like the idea that a witch can simply grant Avengers level powers to random people, it just sets a bad story precedent.
Agatha was defeated and received her ironic punishment and that was satisfying, but we still don't know why she wanted Wanda/The Scarlet Witch's abilities in the first place? Simply because she wanted that kind of absolute power? That just seems lazy.
Darcy just up and disappeared without even saying goodbye.
White Vision shows up, throws some punches, and leaves. I know he'll probably resurface in future projects, but man did all that just feel pointless.
It seemed like they were setting up Woo with some resolution by calling in back-up from the FBI, but in the end they were meaningless.
Heyward's story never really seems to come together coherently and he just comes off as an idiot in way over his head.
I know they definitely have more plans for Monica and are gonna bring her back in other projects, but on this show she just gets her powers out of nowhere, they're never adequately explained what they are or where they came from, and she doesn't seem to have anything all that interesting to do with them. You can get away with one of these aspects remaining a mystery to be resolved down the line, but not all of them. She honestly wound up not really being all that necessary to the story.
In the end all this just makes the episode feel uneven and like there is a whole bunch of back-story and exposition that just got cut for time. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}only gonna argue your first point.
Everyone there knew they were in way, WAYYYYYYYYY, over their heads. If the tried to take her in, who knows how she would react? So I kinda see it as a tactical retreat. Monica has no idea how strong her powers are, White Viz is in the wind, everyone they could probably call in on short notice has too much attachment to take her down, with I guess the exception of Strange, but maybe we'll get some elaboration on that in MOM. {Spoiler}I mean, I could buy that except everybody there (except the townsfolk) seemed way too smiley happy about how things turned out, like this was the happiest ending possible, when it really really wasn't. If there was more realization from people like Monica or Woo that this could definitely could come back to back them in the ass, then I could more easily swallow it.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Mar 5, 2021 22:00:11 GMT -5
I wanted to add on to my earlier want for Dr. Strange 2... {Spoiler}...that not only do I want them to end up in Fox’s X-Men universe where poor confused Peter Maximoff has no clue why Wanda shows up and just whips his ass, but I want Deadpool to show up and be like...”Yo! f***ing wizards just kicked your ass!” and he jumps into a portal behind them and that’s how we get Wade in the MCU.
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Post by Larryhausen on Mar 5, 2021 22:04:17 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}only gonna argue your first point.
Everyone there knew they were in way, WAYYYYYYYYY, over their heads. If the tried to take her in, who knows how she would react? So I kinda see it as a tactical retreat. Monica has no idea how strong her powers are, White Viz is in the wind, everyone they could probably call in on short notice has too much attachment to take her down, with I guess the exception of Strange, but maybe we'll get some elaboration on that in MOM. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}I mean, I could buy that except everybody there (except the townsfolk) seemed way too smiley happy about how things turned out, like this was the happiest ending possible, when it really really wasn't. If there was more realization from people like Monica or Woo that this could definitely could come back to back them in the ass, then I could more easily swallow it. {Spoiler}I definitely get that view, but the only direct interaction Wanda had was with Monica, who had a reason to empathize. Jimmy seems to realize what she's gone through, and since those two seemed to be de facto in charge at the moment.
Plus there's the whole thing of it being known that she wiped the floor with Thanos BEFORE she did all this. I mean, what could they even do, even if they didn't empathize. Best to let her roll out and plan for the future, in my eyes. Which is what I took the Monica Post scene to be.
And before everyone was talking about Hulk in the cabin in regards to Wanda's post scene, my thoughts immediately went to Thanos in The Garden.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2021 22:46:28 GMT -5
I wanted to add on to my earlier want for Dr. Strange 2... {Spoiler}{Spoiler}...that not only do I want them to end up in Fox’s X-Men universe where poor confused Peter Maximoff has no clue why Wanda shows up and just whips his ass, but I want Deadpool to show up and be like...”Yo! f***ing wizards just kicked your ass!” and he jumps into a portal behind them and that’s how we get Wade in the MCU. {Spoiler}I only accept this if he brings Colossus and Negasonic Teenage Warhead with him.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2021 22:59:26 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW} I think with the JJJ teaser at the end of the last Spider-Man movie and all the stuff rumored for the next as well as Dr. Strange 2 litterly being called the the multiverse of madness. I think people we’re expecting way more than what we got with quicksilver in this show. I think it will be touched on later in other movies and tv shows. Since he was from our world he couldn’t be quicksilver because that guy is dead and looks like kickass. I do think we will see the X-men quicksilver eventually I don’t think they would tease something like that and leave it as he’s Ralph Boner.
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Post by Larryhausen on Mar 5, 2021 23:08:14 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW} I think with the JJJ teaser at the end of the last Spider-Man movie and all the stuff rumored for the next as well as Dr. Strange 2 litterly being called the the multiverse of madness. I think people we’re expecting way more than what we got with quicksilver in this show. I think it will be touched on later in other movies and tv shows. Since he was from our world he couldn’t be quicksilver because that guy is dead and looks like kickass. I do think we will see the X-men quicksilver eventually I don’t think they would tease something like that and leave it as he’s Ralph Boner. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}the one thing I wouldn't mind them borrowing from DC is that the same people from different universes don't always look like the same people.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2021 23:44:28 GMT -5
One thing I think the MCU should probably address soon is... {Spoiler}{Spoiler}Explaining why exactly we should care about whatever Nick Fury's doing. You don't need to go into all the details right away, but using effectively the same exact cliffhanger twice without really giving any context whatsoever is really pushing it.
Granted it took Thanos like 20 movies to get out of his chair so...
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Post by Rolent Tex on Mar 6, 2021 0:12:01 GMT -5
One thing I think the MCU should probably address soon is... {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Explaining why exactly we should care about whatever Nick Fury's doing. You don't need to go into all the details right away, but using effectively the same exact cliffhanger twice without really giving any context whatsoever is really pushing it.
Granted it took Thanos like 20 movies to get out of his chair so... {Spoiler}I think we’ll get to that answer sooner than later depending on how soon they plan on filming “Secret Invasion”. I doubt we get much on that front from “Falcon and the Winter Soldier”. They’ll be too busy planting the seeds for “Armor Wars” and I’m betting good money on the seeds for General Ross’ Thunderbolts team being planted. That’s if the cameo was kept in after “Black Widow” was postponed since one of the credits stingers was rumored to involve the beginnings of it.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Mar 6, 2021 1:08:53 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}I am not bothered by the fact that the Evan Peters thing did not appear to lead to much in the show for multiple reasons:
1) I don't mind red herrings in general.
2) There is the little matter of the fact that he had super speed, which means that it might be possible to imbue powers onto a normal person. Hell, for all we know he might still be a lame wanker with super speed. That could be amusing at some point.
3) He might not be insignificant after all, but it just isn't addressed in the show. He has a fairly nice house for a washout actor. It's almost as though someone supplied him with a decent place to live. Maybe someone like the US Marshals, maybe? Jimmy Wu's missing witness never was addressed in this show, after all. Maybe it was a superpowered speedster who worked for some mob who utilized enhanced criminals? That could be fun to explore in the future.
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Post by Heartbreaker on Mar 6, 2021 2:58:38 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}I thought the ending was a great one. I did not expect every loose end to get tied up (it is part of the MCU after all). Wanda and “hex” Vision’s goodbye was heartbreaking, even though the real Vision is back and he’s out there somewhere. I’m expecting him to either get his own series or movie in the far future, maybe then we’ll get the theorized Ultron return?
I didn’t really mind the reveal of Fake Pietro/Fietro’s real identity. I kind of predicted earlier that maybe using Evan Peters was gag casting/a red herring. Mutants in the MCU will happen soon, but I didn’t expect them to be brought in this early. It’s going to have to be a Thanos level post-credits scene in a big movie.
So glad they didn’t kill of Agatha. Kathryn Hahn is too good. Honestly, she got a fate worse than death anyway. Going from a seemingly immortal witch who is trapped as a sitcom character and powerless sounds f***ing terrifying. Man, I loved this show. I’m into weird, trippy psychological stuff disguised as comedy if that makes sense. Already planning my rewatch before Doctor Strange 2.
Now…. As for the mid-credit scenes. I had the feeling we would see a Skrull show up with the hints to Secret Wars we’ve been getting since Far From Home. I’m going to guess Captain Marvel 2 will directly tie into it.
And finally… holy shit I am so hyped for Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness. Wanda looked downright freaky studying the Darkhold and I kind of dreaded hearing her kids calling out for her, cause this ain’t gonna end well. A creepy cabin, a dangerous book… the Evil Dead influences is probably intentional. I’m actually wondering if Raimi directed that scene.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Mar 6, 2021 3:23:51 GMT -5
{Spoiler}Wanda and “hex” Vision’s goodbye was heartbreaking, even though the real Vision is back and he’s out there somewhere. I’m expecting him to either get his own series or movie in the far future, maybe then we’ll get the theorized Ultron return? {Spoiler}I'm leaning towards WandaVision getting a second season, based on the Vision Quest. Given Marvel Studios almost always use little more than the title and basic premise in their adaptations, I couldn't even guess how such a story would go.
I'm all for an Ultron resurrection, though. I like to think that there's a little part of him still out there, waiting to be plugged back in.
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Post by eJm on Mar 6, 2021 5:15:55 GMT -5
One thing I think the MCU should probably address soon is... {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Explaining why exactly we should care about whatever Nick Fury's doing. You don't need to go into all the details right away, but using effectively the same exact cliffhanger twice without really giving any context whatsoever is really pushing it.
Granted it took Thanos like 20 movies to get out of his chair so... {Spoiler}{Spoiler}I think we’ll get to that answer sooner than later depending on how soon they plan on filming “Secret Invasion”. I doubt we get much on that front from “Falcon and the Winter Soldier”. They’ll be too busy planting the seeds for “Armor Wars” and I’m betting good money on the seeds for General Ross’ Thunderbolts team being planted. That’s if the cameo was kept in after “Black Widow” was postponed since one of the credits stingers was rumored to involve the beginnings of it. {Spoiler} If we look at the filming schedule Feige talked about, they’re working on Ms. Marvel right now, She Hulk after that and Moon Knight after that so if anything, it might be done weeks after MK.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Mar 6, 2021 10:12:09 GMT -5
Really good finale. I was a bit confused by one thing though. {Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}So the cops knew internal affairs had set them up the whole time?
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Mar 6, 2021 10:51:04 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW} So... I haven't watched AOS but I've heard a thing or two...
The spellbook is basically just inevitable doom for anyone who reads it with intent, right?
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Mar 6, 2021 11:25:48 GMT -5
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Post by Captain Patren Fenderbaum-X on Mar 6, 2021 11:32:27 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW} So... I haven't watched AOS but I've heard a thing or two...
The spellbook is basically just inevitable doom for anyone who reads it with intent, right? {Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}Correct anyone who is not strong enough to overcome Chthons influence is corrupted by the book and when we take into account Wandas not so good mental issues right now makes her oh so very easy to corrupt...hell Agatha messed with Wandas head multiple times and she is nowhere in Chthons league of power not even slightly.
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Post by Larryhausen on Mar 6, 2021 11:54:48 GMT -5
{Spoiler}just realized Tommy stole a hat from one of the SWORD guys just like his "uncle" did
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