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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jan 16, 2021 18:13:46 GMT -5
WCW unmasking Rey Mysterio, they could have made so much money selling Mysterio masks, but nope, gotta unmask him.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2021 18:29:37 GMT -5
WCW unmasking Rey Mysterio, they could have made so much money selling Mysterio masks, but nope, gotta unmask him. I always thought it would have been great after the DDP as La Parka deal if they had actually been selling the mask at shows with Heenan doing the old fashioned trick of saying "Whatever you do, don't wear a La Parka mask when you're around Savage, it'll drive the man nuts"
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Post by sungod2020 on Jan 16, 2021 19:01:33 GMT -5
3 pages and nobody mentioned Verne Gagne refusing to give Hulk Hogan the AWA championship in 1983. He kept chasing and chasing, and the fans desperately wanted him to finally win it, but Verne stupidly decided that the money was only in the chase and not the catch. This gave WWF the edge to sign pro wrestling's hottest new star and help usher in their National expansion, while concurrently, leading to AWA's demise years later.
Also, giving Jinder Mahal, a multi-year jobber, a 6 month WWE title run to bring in business in India. Needless to say it failed big time.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 16, 2021 22:32:17 GMT -5
ROH was primed for a new beginning in 2010. They had a massive pool of talent who could do it all, both in-ring and on the mic. What does Cornette decide to emphasize moving forward in the main event? Three 5'9 white dudes who could all wrestle good but had the charisma of a wet rag. AMERICAN STRONG STYLE!
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 16, 2021 22:33:02 GMT -5
WCW unmasking Rey Mysterio, they could have made so much money selling Mysterio masks, but nope, gotta unmask him. Bischoff defends that f***ing decision to this day. Claiming he'd be even more over and sell more if he remained unmasked...
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 16, 2021 23:01:19 GMT -5
WCW unmasking Rey Mysterio, they could have made so much money selling Mysterio masks, but nope, gotta unmask him. Bischoff defends that f***ing decision to this day. Claiming he'd be even more over and sell more if he remained unmasked... Which is f***ing dumb Young Rey was a good looking dude but you have a ton of good looking people in wrestling. What separated him was the mask and that in part made him cool No doubt the merch checks Rey had to be getting in his prime was f***ing insane
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Post by petef3 on Jan 16, 2021 23:52:14 GMT -5
3 pages and nobody mentioned Verne Gagne refusing to give Hulk Hogan the AWA championship in 1983. He kept chasing and chasing, and the fans desperately wanted him to finally win it, but Verne stupidly decided that the money was only in the chase and not the catch. This gave WWF the edge to sign pro wrestling's hottest new star and help usher in their National expansion, while concurrently, leading to AWA's demise years later. Verne had no edge on keeping Hogan, title or no title. Once Vince came calling, he was gone. If anything, in hindsight keeping the title away from Hogan probably extended the life of the company. It blows up people's narratives so it isn't brought up all that often, but the AWA had a tremendous year in 1984. The wheels didn't really start coming off until most of the way through '85.
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Post by XaviersSS2015hair on Jan 17, 2021 3:50:29 GMT -5
Resigning Hogan in 98 and giving him and Nash full creative control Bischoff is a one trick pony. All he's ever known how to do is sign old WWF talent that Vince got over at some point. Bischoff's answer to everything was always, Hogan. Once fans got tired of Hogan, Bishoff had NOTHING else creatively. His TNA run proved that.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jan 17, 2021 6:07:52 GMT -5
Bischoff defends that f***ing decision to this day. Claiming he'd be even more over and sell more if he remained unmasked... Which is f***ing dumb Young Rey was a good looking dude but you have a ton of good looking people in wrestling. What separated him was the mask and that in part made him cool No doubt the merch checks Rey had to be getting in his prime was f***ing insane I'd even argue that, Rey has a babyface, he took it off he looked about 12 years old. The only one who benefited from losing it was Juventud, because the guy was really good looking under it, and it made him one of the few luchadors without one, so it gave him a selling point.
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Post by Mr Mario Mario on Jan 17, 2021 6:40:39 GMT -5
If my memory serves me correctly, Lucha Underground lost a decent amount of viewers when Sexy Star won the title. Didn’t she lose it the following week?
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Jan 17, 2021 7:07:50 GMT -5
Which is f***ing dumb Young Rey was a good looking dude but you have a ton of good looking people in wrestling. What separated him was the mask and that in part made him cool No doubt the merch checks Rey had to be getting in his prime was f***ing insane I'd even argue that, Rey has a babyface, he took it off he looked about 12 years old. The only one who benefited from losing it was Juventud, because the guy was really good looking under it, and it made him one of the few luchadors without one, so it gave him a selling point. Bingo. Rey had the double whammy of having a literal babyface, plus he was one of the smallest Cruiserweights of the bunch. If he had the muscle mass and tattoos that 2021 Mysterio has, it might have worked out better (but even then, it would have been a lateral move at best). Rey Mysterio looked like he was 12, whereas Juventud at least looked like he was in his early 20s when he unmasked.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 17, 2021 7:28:42 GMT -5
WCW unmasking Rey Mysterio, they could have made so much money selling Mysterio masks, but nope, gotta unmask him. Bischoff defends that f***ing decision to this day. Claiming he'd be even more over and sell more if he remained unmasked... On one hand, yeah, Rey is a good looking guy, so I get it on that front, but I don't think that really did him any favors, exactly. It'd have maybe been different if he was a killer promo or something, but he never really has been. He benefits more from being masked and, you know, the King of Mystery, almost like it's his name or something. I do also wonder if selling masks would have been as big an avenue stream as it'd be for Rey's 2000s run. He wasn't as big a deal at the time, and I just don't know if WCW had the kind of infrastructure for it. Not sure if it'd be a bunch of shitty plastic masks like the Sting ones or what.
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Post by Wieners=$$$ on Jan 17, 2021 9:49:02 GMT -5
I don't know if I completely agree. Sure it became very apparent WCW/ECW would've never been made to look superior to the WWF, but if they had waited to re-debut WCW as it's own separate entity with names like Hogan, Hall, Nash and Flair, it might've had a better chance than tossing Booker T v. Buff Bagwell on Raw for the WWF fans to groan at. If Hogan's influence and impact on '02 is any indication of his ability to still draw, then the Vince owned WCW project may have worked had they taken the time to develop a proper reboot. I believe this was a case of striking while the iron was hot, but without gloves on for protection or support. They were planning on doing that. UPN and USA didn't want WCW because they were paying for the WWE and didn't want to host the "loser" brand of the Monday Night Wars. That still seems so strange to me that Vince would go ahead with the acquisition, without any real interest for the proposed television show. I understand why networks weren't clamoring for WCW on their programming, when said television show were only going to be a watered down version without any real names to market, and like you said, they were a tarnished brand by 2001. At the very least Vince could've parlayed the Invasion angle into building WCW into something fans wanted to see again. Build some stars, have some compelling stories and rebuild WCW the old-fashioned way, but no, instead of trying to sell it, Vince chose to humiliate it further. I stand by this being the biggest business failure in pro-wrestling, with the tape library being the exception.
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Post by theultrongauntlet on Jan 17, 2021 10:00:28 GMT -5
One that comes to mind would be the nitro episode for fingerpoke of doom where they fooled the audience as hogan just laid down for a 3 count and it was the most obnoxious thing to do because it took away the hard work of others before that and the effort after. It also ruined the value of a match that would be as good if not for the fingerpoke of doom itself. Hogan and Nash and all the others that even considered such a detail really ruined something that could have been used for another talent to get over or help the brand but here we are because of that.
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Post by sungod2020 on Jan 17, 2021 21:23:30 GMT -5
3 pages and nobody mentioned Verne Gagne refusing to give Hulk Hogan the AWA championship in 1983. He kept chasing and chasing, and the fans desperately wanted him to finally win it, but Verne stupidly decided that the money was only in the chase and not the catch. This gave WWF the edge to sign pro wrestling's hottest new star and help usher in their National expansion, while concurrently, leading to AWA's demise years later. Verne had no edge on keeping Hogan, title or no title. Once Vince came calling, he was gone. If anything, in hindsight keeping the title away from Hogan probably extended the life of the company. It blows up people's narratives so it isn't brought up all that often, but the AWA had a tremendous year in 1984. The wheels didn't really start coming off until most of the way through '85. Well given I was born in late 1986, I can only go about reading about it and documentaries that WWE produced. But there's no denying Hogan's star power was on the rise in the AWA, Vince McMahon just happened to capitalize on it. Plus Verne Gagne was known to be an out of touch curmudgeon who booked himself on top for what 20 years? How far could the AWA have gone if they gave Hogan the belt? What would a Hogan-less WWF look like?
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Post by romanstylesiii on Jan 17, 2021 21:28:43 GMT -5
Bischoff defends that f***ing decision to this day. Claiming he'd be even more over and sell more if he remained unmasked... Which is f***ing dumb Young Rey was a good looking dude but you have a ton of good looking people in wrestling. What separated him was the mask and that in part made him cool No doubt the merch checks Rey had to be getting in his prime was f***ing insane His rationale was that they had about 20 people on the roster with masks, compared to the WWE where Rey was one of 1-2 with a mask WCW was a reality based product and Eric believed everyone needed to get away from those old school wrestling characters. This is not MY opinion, just playing devil's advocate
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 17, 2021 21:29:24 GMT -5
Hogan in TNA while the crowd chanting about wanting the six sided ring back saying the crowd is dumb and doesn't know what they want...
Dixie Carter having and then airing that "love it or leave it" backstage meeting...
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 17, 2021 21:32:14 GMT -5
Hogan in TNA while the crowd chanting about wanting the six sided ring back saying the crowd is dumb and doesn't know what they want... Dixie Carter having and then airing that "love it or leave it" backstage meeting... Didn't a few people actually try to leave off that ?
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 17, 2021 21:32:41 GMT -5
Which is f***ing dumb Young Rey was a good looking dude but you have a ton of good looking people in wrestling. What separated him was the mask and that in part made him cool No doubt the merch checks Rey had to be getting in his prime was f***ing insane His rationale was that they had about 20 people on the roster with masks, compared to the WWE where Rey was one of 1-2 with a mask WCW was a reality based product and Eric believed everyone needed to get away from those old school wrestling characters. This is not MY opinion, just playing devil's advocate What a dumbass
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 17, 2021 21:33:24 GMT -5
Hogan in TNA while the crowd chanting about wanting the six sided ring back saying the crowd is dumb and doesn't know what they want... Dixie Carter having and then airing that "love it or leave it" backstage meeting... Didn't a few people actually try to leave off that ? Yes, and Dixie said no.
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