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Post by mistery on Jan 19, 2021 14:43:43 GMT -5
This is the first interaction of champion and challenger and it played out like it normally would. Challenger starts the feud with the upper hand by winning and this will play out over the coming months until there’s a title match at a ppv. If you take out the people involved, this is a very generic story arc used to get people invested in the challenger whether they are a face or heel. I see people’s point as Asuka usually plays second fiddle in all her feuds, but this is hardly a burial. It’s a tried and try arc. I would say Alexa no selling all of Asuka's big offense and just winning right after is a burial yes. If Alexa were a bigger woman then yeah I could understand the no sell part. But Alexa is a very small woman, even smaller than Asuka. There is no realistic way you can convince the average fan that Asuka's kicks, who have knocked out performers before (including Charlotte, Becky, and Shayna) has no effect on someone like Alexa. Basically its asking fans to throw out any logic that WWE has built up over the past several years in regards to Asuka (ie: suspension of disbelief) just to push the women's version of The Fiend, which is definitely not ending well. People seem to forget how absolutely horrendous The Fiend's title reign was, and he lost the first time to Goldberg (a legend), and then he had to have the title gimmicked off of him the second time. There is no reason to believe the same thing won't happen with Alexa if she wins the title. They'll have either a legend return and beat her, or gimmick it off of her, not giving a potential star the rub from beating her.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 19, 2021 14:50:43 GMT -5
This is the first interaction of champion and challenger and it played out like it normally would. Challenger starts the feud with the upper hand by winning and this will play out over the coming months until there’s a title match at a ppv. If you take out the people involved, this is a very generic story arc used to get people invested in the challenger whether they are a face or heel. I see people’s point as Asuka usually plays second fiddle in all her feuds, but this is hardly a burial. It’s a tried and try arc. I would say Alexa no selling all of Asuka's big offense and just winning right after is a burial yes. If Alexa were a bigger woman then yeah I could understand the no sell part. But Alexa is a very small woman, even smaller than Asuka. There is no realistic way you can convince the average fan that Asuka's kicks, who have knocked out performers before (including Charlotte, Becky, and Shayna) has no effect on someone like Alexa. Basically its asking fans to throw out any logic that WWE has built up over the past several years in regards to Asuka (ie: suspension of disbelief) just to push the women's version of The Fiend, which is definitely not ending well. . It throws nothing out, the Average WWE fan would know that Alexa is possessed by the Fiend, which is literally the storyline reason she was no selling the kicks. Supernatural weirdery like the Fiend has been part of the WWE for decades.
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Post by eJm on Jan 19, 2021 14:52:03 GMT -5
Turning this discussion into a row generalizing fans about what they want and don’t want concerning characters is more ignoring the discussions people can have about such things and wanting to have an argument for the sake of it.
Not saying it’s happening here but there are people on Twitter who are doing it that should really know better so I’m just nipping it in the bud here.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jan 19, 2021 14:54:05 GMT -5
I would say Alexa no selling all of Asuka's big offense and just winning right after is a burial yes. If Alexa were a bigger woman then yeah I could understand the no sell part. But Alexa is a very small woman, even smaller than Asuka. There is no realistic way you can convince the average fan that Asuka's kicks, who have knocked out performers before (including Charlotte, Becky, and Shayna) has no effect on someone like Alexa. Basically its asking fans to throw out any logic that WWE has built up over the past several years in regards to Asuka (ie: suspension of disbelief) just to push the women's version of The Fiend, which is definitely not ending well. . It throws nothing out, the Average WWE fan would know that Alexa is possessed by the Fiend, which is literally the storyline reason she was no selling the kicks. Supernatural weirdery like the Fiend has been part of the WWE for decades. Bingo. Alexa has been very successful in the past but at no point has she been presented as an indestructible, impervious to pain badass. But she's not herself anymore. She's possessed by something very dark and very powerful. Yes, I realize how goofy that sounds....but....wrestling....
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Post by Dub H on Jan 19, 2021 15:24:04 GMT -5
This is the first interaction of champion and challenger and it played out like it normally would. Challenger starts the feud with the upper hand by winning and this will play out over the coming months until there’s a title match at a ppv. If you take out the people involved, this is a very generic story arc used to get people invested in the challenger whether they are a face or heel. I see people’s point as Asuka usually plays second fiddle in all her feuds, but this is hardly a burial. It’s a tried and try arc. Now I'm more worried that people now consider the champion losing clean to someone a "normal feud starter". It is always a bad look for the champion.
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Post by Dub H on Jan 19, 2021 15:25:27 GMT -5
Regarding the possesion ,I buy it..to an extent.
The Fiends look like a possessed monster unable to be stopped by mortals.
Alexa not so much.
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Post by tenshi on Jan 19, 2021 15:36:38 GMT -5
Regarding the possesion ,I buy it..to an extent. The Fiends look like a possessed monster unable to be stopped by mortals. Alexa not so much. That makes me think of the aspect of monsters and selling. While the Fiend "no-sells", there's visual evidence that people can land hits on him and he reacts just like the horror movie monsters he's based on. He moves when hit and even reacts to pain, even if it's not like others in a conventional way. Alexa last night, though, looked like she was sleepwalking her way through Asuka's offense and then won without facing much resistance. There are levels to underselling and last night was an example of it.
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Post by Captain Patren Fenderbaum-X on Jan 19, 2021 15:44:22 GMT -5
They have to establish a weakness or some draw back to Alexa being possessed because otherwise her ever losing is just gonna be constant asspulls.
I think back to Matanza in LU possessed by an ancient aztec god but he wasn't just allowed to roam he had to be controlled and Dario being a business man wasn't just gonna let him literally cannibalize his roster even though he could have...and the audience was given a reason as to why and it was in the form of the key that kept Matanza somewhat under controll.
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Post by warden on Jan 20, 2021 12:37:27 GMT -5
.... maybe Alexa took some bad candy that laced with PCP. It would explain why she thought she was a fat clown while being unfazed by any and all oncoming attacks
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Jan 21, 2021 7:40:08 GMT -5
Regarding the possesion ,I buy it..to an extent. The Fiends look like a possessed monster unable to be stopped by mortals. Alexa not so much. That makes me think of the aspect of monsters and selling. While the Fiend "no-sells", there's visual evidence that people can land hits on him and he reacts just like the horror movie monsters he's based on. He moves when hit and even reacts to pain, even if it's not like others in a conventional way. Alexa last night, though, looked like she was sleepwalking her way through Asuka's offense and then won without facing much resistance. There are levels to underselling and last night was an example of it. It's like the Abbadon vs Shida feud; Shida struggled to put away Abbadon but that's because Abaddon is a psycho that kept on getting up horror movie style, Abaddon was still selling and getting knocked around. Meanwhile Alexa was just not phased by anything that Asuka threw at her.
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Post by mistery on Jan 21, 2021 15:30:46 GMT -5
Just looked on Cagematch.net, and its at #20 for worst match of all time, sitting at a 1.36/10.
The only women's matches lower than it are the women's battle royal from WM 25, and Jenna Morasca vs. Sharmell.
And yes, I know its Cagematch, but if anything they are generally more generous with their ratings than a lot of other sites. It's why people defending the Alexa/Asuka match as a good thing baffles me because it was full of terrible acting from Alexa, on top of her no selling a bunch of Asuka's strongest offense and making her look like a complete loser. Not to mention the "transformation" was so incredibly low effort even by WWE's very poor standards.
People need to realize that The Fiend stuff isn't meant to help performers out. It only buries whoever he (or she) is facing. I don't think anyone has benefitted from a feud with The Fiend.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jan 24, 2021 18:31:50 GMT -5
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Post by Captain Patren Fenderbaum-X on Jan 24, 2021 21:26:32 GMT -5
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jan 24, 2021 21:31:59 GMT -5
I mean, of course they were gonna do this. Regardless of what the result actually turns out to be, they’re gonna string everybody along because it drew real emotions. Because nothing draws real emotions anymore like it looking somebody is about to get f***ed over by the office. It’s wrong as f***, but it’s true.
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Post by MrElijah on Jan 24, 2021 21:37:42 GMT -5
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Post by Captain Patren Fenderbaum-X on Jan 24, 2021 21:39:42 GMT -5
I mean, of course they were gonna do this. Regardless of what the result actually turns out to be, they’re gonna string everybody along because it drew real emotions. Because nothing draws real emotions anymore like it looking somebody is about to get f***ed over by the office. It’s wrong as f***, but it’s true. It did draw real emotion and no doubt WWE is banking on people tuning in because they absoloutley have to be aware people believe Asuka is about to get f***ed over much exactly like she did when Charlotte beat her for the title right before Mania and then Asuka ended up in the pre-show battle royale. Oh the Raw thread will undoubtably remain civil I am sure.
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Post by mistery on Jan 24, 2021 21:42:16 GMT -5
There is absolutely no way that match ends well tomorrow. Either it ends with Orton interfering or Alexa squashes Asuka again and becomes champion. Which will cause the problem of WWE putting a title on Lady Fiend, which will backfire horribly considering the majority of fans who wanted The Fiend to win the title turned on him pretty hard soon after for a multitude of reasons, the biggest being that anyone sucked into the orbit of feuding with The Fiend does severe damage to their careers.
That's completely glossing over the fact that The Fiend has only had one good match since the gimmick debuted and it was against Daniel Bryan. For all intents and purposes, Alexa is basically way worse than The Fiend when it comes to actually wrestling.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jan 25, 2021 0:47:18 GMT -5
I hope spooky magic is banned tomorrow so Asuka has a fair chance.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 25, 2021 0:52:17 GMT -5
I knew this was f***ed booking wise, when Asuka came out on Smackdown all smiles and didn't act like a single f***ing thing happened to her on Monday
I'm sorry I'm just sick of people defending Asuka's booking because "She's won a lot of shit". They constantly run her into the ground not once not twice but every time she has been a champion on the main roster, it's indefensible imo.
She's one of the most Paperest of Paper Champions to ever exist, and given her talent, that's just ridiculous. Depending on how this RAW match goes this thread could double or triple because I see Asuka either retaining but not clean and in some weird BS way or losing, and if it's the latter, god help us.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 25, 2021 0:56:37 GMT -5
When you book the same 4 women strong and yo-yo everyone else for the span of a few years, you get this clusterf*** of a situation It is what it is You mean to tell me the Women's Revolution was all lip service just so WWE could pander to people, say they were listening and cared about the booking of the women, and then proceed to only care about a select group of them until their wheels fall off all in the name of constantly making HISTORY just so they can say they did it? Sounds about right, NXT aside, which actually does put some really good effort into booking the girls, on the main roster it's a disaster.
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