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Post by Mama Rhodes Looking @ U Now on Jan 20, 2021 14:05:22 GMT -5
Yeah, Kurt Angle was very much like that too. I'd say Angle spent most of his career outright not being a good wrestler. Technically very sound but his TNA run made it very clear that he knows absolutely nothing about how to actually structure a match. TNA Kurt Angle got good matches out of a near immobile white marshmallow outfitted Abyss in 2008, this is slander.
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Jan 20, 2021 14:28:53 GMT -5
I'd say Angle spent most of his career outright not being a good wrestler. Technically very sound but his TNA run made it very clear that he knows absolutely nothing about how to actually structure a match. TNA Kurt Angle got good matches out of a near immobile white marshmallow outfitted Abyss in 2008, this is slander. They were entertaining because you had two guys who would do literally anything, but they weren't good. Even Abyss thought that some of the spots didn't make sense and were too much.
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Post by BatPunk on Jan 20, 2021 14:51:13 GMT -5
For me, Charlotte is HHH at the same point in his career.
A really exceptional wrestler that could have great matches with the upper echelon of the card, but when it came to the mid card, the enthusiasm wasn’t there. Papa H went on to really help get guys over later in his career and Charlotte still his a lot of career left in her. So at this point she does pale in comparison to the Asuka’s and Io’s of the world who can make any opponent look like a million bucks, but they came from a very different training ground. Sasha is a big fan of Joshi wrestling and has a similar mindset.
So, hopefully in time her attention will shift from just making herself look great to making herself look amazing by making others look better.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Jan 20, 2021 14:55:32 GMT -5
With few exceptions, the people who are largely WWE trained, and didn't spend a ton of time on the Indies suffer from this.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 20, 2021 15:35:19 GMT -5
I feel like this has been a problem with WWE for a while. You see the same problem with guys like John Cena or Ryback, where they look very good- they're just not good at making OTHERS look good. But because they look good, and they can make themselves look good, they get the spotlight and get put in the ring with other guys who can make them look good. . You say that but John Cena got a watchable match out of the Great Khali, and had a series of great matches with the super green Wade Barrett that made people think he was capable of being a Main Eventer at the time until he had nearly unwatchable matches with like literally anyone else.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball☝🏻 on Jan 20, 2021 19:17:42 GMT -5
She’s really bad at everything besides being Ric Flair’s daughter and getting increasingly ridiculous breast implants.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jan 20, 2021 20:45:38 GMT -5
I feel like this has been a problem with WWE for a while. You see the same problem with guys like John Cena or Ryback, where they look very good- they're just not good at making OTHERS look good. But because they look good, and they can make themselves look good, they get the spotlight and get put in the ring with other guys who can make them look good. . You say that but John Cena got a watchable match out of the Great Khali, and had a series of great matches with the super green Wade Barrett that made people think he was capable of being a Main Eventer at the time until he had nearly unwatchable matches with like literally anyone else. Yeah, Cena was actually pretty good at getting passable or better matches out of poor talent.
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Post by Cyno on Jan 20, 2021 21:17:46 GMT -5
I feel like this has been a problem with WWE for a while. You see the same problem with guys like John Cena or Ryback, where they look very good- they're just not good at making OTHERS look good. But because they look good, and they can make themselves look good, they get the spotlight and get put in the ring with other guys who can make them look good. . You say that but John Cena got a watchable match out of the Great Khali, and had a series of great matches with the super green Wade Barrett that made people think he was capable of being a Main Eventer at the time until he had nearly unwatchable matches with like literally anyone else. I think John Cena if anything is really underrated as a wrestler. Especially during the mid 00's through early 10's. He got some good to outright great matches out of opponents who were nowhere near his level.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2021 14:33:21 GMT -5
Her performance last night was really bad again. You even have Corey on commentary talking about "the Riott Squad offense having little effect on The Queen." She's powering out of every pinfall attempt at one, you can't even call them near-falls. At one point Ruby and Liv hit a cool double spinebuster type move and Charlotte literally goes to stand immediately. Liv has to push her back down to go for the pin to get another one count then Charlotte hulks up and takes out the two of them with ease.
I can't say I noticed this too much until a few months ago when I saw it mentioned but now that I know it happens it's impossible to watch her matches and not focus on it. She doesn't sell for shit in 90% of matches.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jan 23, 2021 15:13:09 GMT -5
Charlotte has had a run of pretty bad performances lately and I'm not even talking about her selling. I'm sure it's not all on her but she's had a few blown spots in almost every match so far.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jan 23, 2021 15:31:57 GMT -5
Charlotte has had a run of pretty bad performances lately and I'm not even talking about her selling. I'm sure it's not all on her but she's had a few blown spots in almost every match so far. Something’s off. I mean, her general booking is one thing, goodness knows that dead horse has been beaten into powder, but she’s always put the effort in... until now? Like, I’ve never seen her look so unmotivated and just seemingly going through the motions.
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Post by Muskrat on Jan 23, 2021 15:58:42 GMT -5
Just an aside, I am begging Charlotte to stop doing Natural Selection, either she can't hit it, the person taking it sells it like ass, or both happen Anna Jay did a better version of it like 13 matches into her career... the real Natural Selection is her removing that move from her set It’s one of those moves that’s a way better idea in theory then execution. Especially with how much bigger she is then most opponents
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Post by dex on Jan 23, 2021 16:16:37 GMT -5
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Jan 23, 2021 16:18:00 GMT -5
You could have probably cut that title in half.
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Post by jhbboy198917 on Jan 23, 2021 16:30:36 GMT -5
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Post by Captain Patren Fenderbaum-X on Jan 23, 2021 16:46:21 GMT -5
I have said it already but what Charlotte is is quite literally the whole it bounces off of me and sticks to you and it ruins every single thing she does in the ring.
I remember the first real time it bugged me was the 2019 womens rumble in that exchange with Kairi where Kairi throws just bombs at her and Charlotte could not even be assed to even just go down to even just 1 knee to sell Kairi's offence nope just brick walled her and then dropped Kairi in 2-3 chops
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jan 23, 2021 17:03:10 GMT -5
Can't tell if that's lack of motivation or selfishness but it's really, really bad in those clips.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2021 17:34:11 GMT -5
I have said it already but what Charlotte is is quite literally the whole it bounces off of me and sticks to you and it ruins every single thing she does in the ring. I remember the first real time it bugged me was the 2019 womens rumble in that exchange with Kairi where Kairi throws just bombs at her and Charlotte could not even be assed to even just go down to even just 1 knee to sell Kairi's offence nope just brick walled her and then dropped Kairi in 2-3 chops That whole feud between the Kabuki Warriors and Charlotte/Becky in late 2019 was like that. Becky would sell for them both and Charlotte would sell a little for Asuka but she was clearly absolutely loathe to sell for Kairi for some reason. Kairi would go on these amazing flurries and Charlotte would stare at her blankly before taking back control. I know Kairi is small but Becky, Sasha and Bayley are all stars and they sold for her. Taker sold for HBK and other smaller guys, even Lesnar sold for Bryan, Styles, etc. Even if you're bigger you've got to bump a little and try to give the opponent something. Can't tell if that's lack of motivation or selfishness but it's really, really bad in those clips. I really think it comes down to lack of motivation because she's in the midcard not doing much of importance. I have no doubt if she's in a marquee match at Wrestlemania she'll put on a good match. I remember an out of character interview she did a year or two back and she was talking about how she needed that win over Asuka before Wrestlemania 35 for her confidence. The feud with Becky was the first time in her career she had truly had to play second fiddle and constantly put someone else over. She was now in the position that Becky and Sasha were in 2016 when they had to lose all the big matches to Charlotte and she couldn't deal with it. Going 6 months without the title or being the center of attention got to her. For someone who has been involved in the business in some way her entire life it's a strange mindset to have. Sometimes you go through periods when you have to "slum it" in the midcard. You can't always be on top.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jan 23, 2021 17:44:08 GMT -5
I remember an out of character interview she did a year or two back and she was talking about how she needed that win over Asuka before Wrestlemania 35 for her confidence. The feud with Becky was the first time in her career she had truly had to play second fiddle and constantly put someone else over. She was now in the position that Becky and Sasha were in 2016 when they had to lose all the big matches to Charlotte and she couldn't deal with it. Going 6 months without the title or being the center of attention got to her. For someone who has been involved in the business in some way her entire life it's a strange mindset to have. Sometimes you go through periods when you have to "slum it" in the midcard. You can't always be on top. Jeez, if she’s unhappy being where she is now, she’d be utterly f***ing miserable if she was put where everyone else other than Lynch/Banks/Bayley/Bliss/Asuka are.
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Post by eJm on Jan 23, 2021 17:54:00 GMT -5
I remember an out of character interview she did a year or two back and she was talking about how she needed that win over Asuka before Wrestlemania 35 for her confidence. The feud with Becky was the first time in her career she had truly had to play second fiddle and constantly put someone else over. She was now in the position that Becky and Sasha were in 2016 when they had to lose all the big matches to Charlotte and she couldn't deal with it. Going 6 months without the title or being the center of attention got to her. For someone who has been involved in the business in some way her entire life it's a strange mindset to have. Sometimes you go through periods when you have to "slum it" in the midcard. You can't always be on top. I do think there's something about the hype she gets blown from people backstage or in her booking or on TV where she's called the greatest and it kind of gets into her head that she is and doesn't deserve to be where she is even for a brief second. I'm not saying she's Hogan levels or anything like that but stuff like that can really harm a women's division in the long term. Look at Tessa Blanchard's....entire career. Like, it's weirder when her Dad used to have matches with Eddie Guerrero and the like on Nitro and gave a lot to him even though at the time, he was in a higher position on the card.
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