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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jan 25, 2021 9:07:54 GMT -5
This may not be a court of law, but usually the person making a claim has to provide evidence. Plays in the second-weakest division in the league, only won a SB because two coaches were f***ing trash and one had zero defense, hasn't come anywhere close to dominating for a good chunk of the season, wasn't even considered the top QB on draft boards when he was drafted in 2017.... Seriously, how is this not evidence. How. I don’t get this mindset at all, but let’s entertain your points, shall we? Plays in a weak division? Last time I checked every damned player in that division is a paid athlete that excelled at college play and is an elite athlete to some degree. If you do well in that division, you’ve earned it. Only one a SB because two coaches were trash? I don’t even know who you are trashing. Sure, the 49ers let the game get away from them when they had the upper hand, but even trashing their coach only gives you one coach to slag on. Even still, Mahomes still had to make those plays. Trubisky wouldn’t have sealed the deal. Who had zero defense? SF? As a Colt fan, I can attest that Buckner is supremely disruptive and he most definitely had help on the defensive side. He wasn’t close to dominating for half of this season? You mean the season of COVID where everyone is a little off? Also, could you remind me if the Chefs had to even try anything in the last two weeks or did they already clinch the bye? Lastly, he wasn’t considered the top QB when he was drafted? 1) Those who knew what they were talking about only considered Watson as better than him. 2) People get draft boards wrong ALL THE DAMNED TIME.
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on Jan 25, 2021 9:11:39 GMT -5
Tyger already said the conversation is over. So I'm done.
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on Jan 25, 2021 10:56:06 GMT -5
Plays in the second-weakest division in the league, only won a SB because two coaches were f***ing trash and one had zero defense, hasn't come anywhere close to dominating for a good chunk of the season, wasn't even considered the top QB on draft boards when he was drafted in 2017.... Seriously, how is this not evidence. How. I don’t get this mindset at all, but let’s entertain your points, shall we? Plays in a weak division? Last time I checked every damned player in that division is a paid athlete that excelled at college play and is an elite athlete to some degree. If you do well in that division, you’ve earned it. Only one a SB because two coaches were trash? I don’t even know who you are trashing. Sure, the 49ers let the game get away from them when they had the upper hand, but even trashing their coach only gives you one coach to slag on. Even still, Mahomes still had to make those plays. Trubisky wouldn’t have sealed the deal. Who had zero defense? SF? As a Colt fan, I can attest that Buckner is supremely disruptive and he most definitely had help on the defensive side. He wasn’t close to dominating for half of this season? You mean the season of COVID where everyone is a little off? Also, could you remind me if the Chefs had to even try anything in the last two weeks or did they already clinch the bye? Lastly, he wasn’t considered the top QB when he was drafted? 1) Those who knew what they were talking about only considered Watson as better than him. 2) People get draft boards wrong ALL THE DAMNED TIME. I miss that man. Buckner was the reason the Niners were so damn good last year. He single-handedly made Arik Armstead a star. He’s the reason Bosa and Armstead were constantly free because guys needed to double down on him. He’s the reason the secondary was so good, because he freed the other guys and rushed throws. He’s the guy you pay on that defense, even if it means someone else has to go down the line. It’s a shame the Niners went with Armstead to save a few dollars. Kinlaw is fine, but he’ll never be DeForest. Without Buckner the Niners defense went from All-Decade to simply good. And that’s not enough when your QB is JimmyAwful.
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Post by Push R Truth on Jan 25, 2021 11:24:28 GMT -5
'Member that one time when the Packers had a Hall of Fame QB and they looked like an unstoppable offense all year until they started playing playoff games?
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on Jan 25, 2021 15:21:18 GMT -5
'Member that one time when the Packers had a Hall of Fame QB and they looked like an unstoppable offense all year until they started playing playoff games? At this point I want him gone. His diva attitude and inconsistent production aren't worth the money he's given.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jan 25, 2021 15:33:05 GMT -5
'Member that one time when the Packers had a Hall of Fame QB and they looked like an unstoppable offense all year until they started playing playoff games? It's insane to think between Favre and Rodgers, Green Bay has had close to 30 years with HOF QB's at the helm and managed one title with each. I mean, never take a title for granted....but....still man, that seems like some gross underachieving
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Post by Cyno on Jan 25, 2021 15:55:12 GMT -5
Probably says something about how Green Bay constructs its teams. Can't just coast on elite-level talents at QB while surrounding them with barely anything in the skills positions. It also goes to show you how insanely good the 00's and 10's Patriots were to win that many Super Bowls in that short a time. Elway and Peyton Manning didn't win multiple Super Bowls until the twilight of their careers (and Elway was looking like the next Marino in being one of the best ever to not win a single Super Bowl). Brady's basically become the Bill Russell of football in terms of winning.
Though in Favre's case, his gunslinger style of play was both a blessing and a curse.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jan 25, 2021 15:59:15 GMT -5
Probably says something about how Green Bay constructs its teams. Can't just coast on elite-level talents at QB while surrounding them with barely anything in the skills positions. It also goes to show you how insanely good the 00's and 10's Patriots were to win that many Super Bowls in that short a time. Elway and Peyton Manning didn't win multiple Super Bowls until the twilight of their careers (and Elway was looking like the next Marino in being one of the best ever to not win a single Super Bowl). Brady's basically become the Bill Russell of football in terms of winning. Though in Favre's case, his gunslinger style of play was both a blessing and a curse. That's fair, but there was enough talent, especially on some of Rodgers' teams that should have seen them at least *go back* to another SB. The fact they only got there once is an indictment
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Post by Mecca on Jan 25, 2021 17:10:52 GMT -5
Probably says something about how Green Bay constructs its teams. Can't just coast on elite-level talents at QB while surrounding them with barely anything in the skills positions. It also goes to show you how insanely good the 00's and 10's Patriots were to win that many Super Bowls in that short a time. Elway and Peyton Manning didn't win multiple Super Bowls until the twilight of their careers (and Elway was looking like the next Marino in being one of the best ever to not win a single Super Bowl). Brady's basically become the Bill Russell of football in terms of winning. Though in Favre's case, his gunslinger style of play was both a blessing and a curse. That's fair, but there was enough talent, especially on some of Rodgers' teams that should have seen them at least *go back* to another SB. The fact they only got there once is an indictment His HC was a flaming idiot most of his career... Mike Mccarthy and Mike Tomlin are the 2 most overated coaches, they coasted on players they inherited forever.
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Post by Cyno on Jan 25, 2021 18:06:54 GMT -5
Tomlin's gotten good games out of non-Roethlisberger-lead teams. He's a really good coach. McCarthy just sucks, though.
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Post by Mecca on Jan 25, 2021 19:02:04 GMT -5
Tomlin's gotten good games out of non-Roethlisberger-lead teams. He's a really good coach. McCarthy just sucks, though. Why does he constantly have issues with players being idiots?
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Post by Push R Truth on Jan 25, 2021 19:45:01 GMT -5
Probably says something about how Green Bay constructs its teams. Can't just coast on elite-level talents at QB while surrounding them with barely anything in the skills positions. It also goes to show you how insanely good the 00's and 10's Patriots were to win that many Super Bowls in that short a time. Elway and Peyton Manning didn't win multiple Super Bowls until the twilight of their careers (and Elway was looking like the next Marino in being one of the best ever to not win a single Super Bowl). Brady's basically become the Bill Russell of football in terms of winning. Though in Favre's case, his gunslinger style of play was both a blessing and a curse. I've thought Green Bay is a lot like those offense heavy/defense suspect NBA teams (The Nash Suns/Mavs, The Harden Rockets to name a few) that blow people away in the regular season then shit the bed when "Playoff Defense" shows up. I'm not saying the Packers are bad, but it's almost like they are purposely built to dominate the regular season and sell tickets, rather than win Superbowls.
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Post by Push R Truth on Jan 25, 2021 19:56:54 GMT -5
Tomlin's gotten good games out of non-Roethlisberger-lead teams. He's a really good coach. McCarthy just sucks, though. Watching McCarthy flounder in Dallas like a fish out of water is so funny to me. I spent years laughing at how he was talked up like he was a good coach. I'm sorry, the dude spent years riding the jockstrap of First Ballot probably Unanimous Hall of Fame QB's and in the 4th quarter of every game his entire gameplan was "Ok Aaron, do your thing". Then sit there looking like a doof as his team won and he spent the post game press conference pretending like he wasn't shitting his pants in fear during the entire game because he had no clue what was going on. I'll say it... Wade Phillips would have gotten more Super Bowl Rings out of Rodgers than McCarthy did. That's how much of a fraud and hack McCarthy is.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 25, 2021 19:59:12 GMT -5
Probably says something about how Green Bay constructs its teams. Can't just coast on elite-level talents at QB while surrounding them with barely anything in the skills positions. It also goes to show you how insanely good the 00's and 10's Patriots were to win that many Super Bowls in that short a time. Elway and Peyton Manning didn't win multiple Super Bowls until the twilight of their careers (and Elway was looking like the next Marino in being one of the best ever to not win a single Super Bowl). Brady's basically become the Bill Russell of football in terms of winning. Though in Favre's case, his gunslinger style of play was both a blessing and a curse. I've thought Green Bay is a lot like those offense heavy/defense suspect NBA teams (The Nash Suns/Mavs, The Harden Rockets to name a few) that blow people away in the regular season then shit the bed when "Playoff Defense" shows up. I'm not saying the Packers are bad, but it's almost like they are purposely built to dominate the regular season and sell tickets, rather than win Superbowls. That's pretty accurate with the NBA comparison Also history will be probably be kind to Rodgers because he played in the Brady era and had talent like Peyton Manning, Big Ben, Drew Brees etc to deal with Football is just a truly team sport where you need everything to shake right for you to win a chip. If Rodgers had not win a title already, he'd def been feeling more pressure on his ass
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Post by Cyno on Jan 25, 2021 20:57:11 GMT -5
Tomlin's gotten good games out of non-Roethlisberger-lead teams. He's a really good coach. McCarthy just sucks, though. Watching McCarthy flounder in Dallas like a fish out of water is so funny to me. I spent years laughing at how he was talked up like he was a good coach. I'm sorry, the dude spent years riding the jockstrap of First Ballot probably Unanimous Hall of Fame QB's and in the 4th quarter of every game his entire gameplan was "Ok Aaron, do your thing". Then sit there looking like a doof as his team won and he spent the post game press conference pretending like he wasn't shitting his pants in fear during the entire game because he had no clue what was going on. I'll say it... Wade Phillips would have gotten more Super Bowl Rings out of Rodgers than McCarthy did. That's how much of a fraud and hack McCarthy is. Wade Phillips is one of the best defensive coaches in the modern era, so at the very least Rodgers would have 11 people in the other phase of the game that wouldn't shit the bed on a consistent basis.
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on Jan 25, 2021 21:14:58 GMT -5
Doesn't matter how good the coach is if the QB wants to be a contentious little bitch. Which, quite frankly, Rodgers is.
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Jan 25, 2021 21:44:36 GMT -5
I've thought Green Bay is a lot like those offense heavy/defense suspect NBA teams (The Nash Suns/Mavs, The Harden Rockets to name a few) that blow people away in the regular season then shit the bed when "Playoff Defense" shows up. I'm not saying the Packers are bad, but it's almost like they are purposely built to dominate the regular season and sell tickets, rather than win Superbowls. That's pretty accurate with the NBA comparison Also history will be probably be kind to Rodgers because he played in the Brady era and had talent like Peyton Manning, Big Ben, Drew Brees etc to deal with Football is just a truly team sport where you need everything to shake right for you to win a chip. If Rodgers had not win a title already, he'd def been feeling more pressure on his ass Yeah but his teams were beaten by Eli Manning, Colin Kaepernick twice, Carson Palmer, and Jimmy G. To be fair to Rodgers he's played pretty good in most of these games and might be unfairly blamed for some of these loses.
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Post by Mecca on Jan 25, 2021 22:42:14 GMT -5
Doesn't matter how good the coach is if the QB wants to be a contentious little bitch. Which, quite frankly, Rodgers is. Shouldn't he be contentious? His team basically never uses draft picks to help him at all, they instead botched defensive pick after defensive pick. There's a reason Ron Wolf said he should have given Favre more weapons.
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on Jan 25, 2021 23:24:42 GMT -5
Doesn't matter how good the coach is if the QB wants to be a contentious little bitch. Which, quite frankly, Rodgers is. Shouldn't he be contentious? His team basically never uses draft picks to help him at all, they instead botched defensive pick after defensive pick. There's a reason Ron Wolf said he should have given Favre more weapons. But why throw the coach under the bus when he could have run on that last drive? He had a hole the size of an abandoned Shopko and did zilch. Add to that his trying to undermine McCarthy (which, as bad as McCarthy was, was unwarranted and unacceptable) and what other players have said about how he treats some of the WR corps, and it's not a good picture of #12. Favre wasn't perfect by any means but he was a lot more mature than Rodgers is.
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on Jan 25, 2021 23:27:53 GMT -5
Probably says something about how Green Bay constructs its teams. Can't just coast on elite-level talents at QB while surrounding them with barely anything in the skills positions. It also goes to show you how insanely good the 00's and 10's Patriots were to win that many Super Bowls in that short a time. Elway and Peyton Manning didn't win multiple Super Bowls until the twilight of their careers (and Elway was looking like the next Marino in being one of the best ever to not win a single Super Bowl). Brady's basically become the Bill Russell of football in terms of winning. Though in Favre's case, his gunslinger style of play was both a blessing and a curse. I've thought Green Bay is a lot like those offense heavy/defense suspect NBA teams (The Nash Suns/Mavs, The Harden Rockets to name a few) that blow people away in the regular season then shit the bed when "Playoff Defense" shows up. I'm not saying the Packers are bad, but it's almost like they are purposely built to dominate the regular season and sell tickets, rather than win Superbowls. The SB31 team (and the 1995-1997 teams in general, really) are examples of what TO do. Those teams were built to get the whole job done. Thompson thought all you had to do was draft and that'd be it but he whiffed on quite a bit, 2017 especially.
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