hassanchop
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Post by hassanchop on Feb 3, 2021 19:59:17 GMT -5
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Post by Jaws the Shark on Feb 3, 2021 20:36:23 GMT -5
Wes Borland must have the patience of a saint to have worked with both Marilyn Manson and Fred Durst.
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adamclark52
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Post by adamclark52 on Feb 3, 2021 20:59:05 GMT -5
Utterly shocking for the guy who had a chorus in one song “I’m not in love but I’m going to f*** you until someone better comes along”
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Feb 3, 2021 21:47:12 GMT -5
Did anuthing happen about Twiggy raping the singer from Jack Off Jill?
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Feb 3, 2021 21:51:42 GMT -5
Utterly shocking for the guy who had a chorus in one song “I’m not in love but I’m going to f*** you until someone better comes along” I dunno, I dont think you can judge a guy by his lyrics. Cradle of Filth have messed up lyrics but Dani Filth is one of the nicest guys in music. But then, with Dani, it was always obvious Dani Filth was more of a persona whereas it always seemed to me that the real Manson was messed up.
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Post by Cyno on Feb 3, 2021 23:13:32 GMT -5
People are trashing Borland for not coming forward with this earlier but as always in these cases, it isn't his story to tell as he doesn't know the entire story. Survivors of abuse should always have control of their own stories unless it's literally a life-or-death situation and they're too wrapped up in the abuse cycle to realize their life is in danger.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Feb 3, 2021 23:26:09 GMT -5
People are trashing Borland for not coming forward with this earlier but as always in these cases, it isn't his story to tell as he doesn't know the entire story. Survivors of abuse should always have control of their own stories unless it's literally a life-or-death situation and they're too wrapped up in the abuse cycle to realize their life is in danger. Also, Borland doesnt say what he saw. Just he saw Manson was a bad guy at his house. It could just have been him talking to her like garbage rather than witnessing a sexual assault.
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hassanchop
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Post by hassanchop on Feb 4, 2021 2:18:46 GMT -5
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Post by Derk! on Feb 4, 2021 2:59:34 GMT -5
I dig Manson, the artist. But Brian Warner the human being is a piece of shit.
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Post by y4j1981 on Feb 4, 2021 3:28:24 GMT -5
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Post by Cyno on Feb 11, 2021 14:40:04 GMT -5
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 11, 2021 15:21:17 GMT -5
Wes Borland must have the patience of a saint to have worked with both Marilyn Manson and Fred Durst. The money probably helped. But yeah...
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Ben Wyatt
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I don't get it. At all. It's kind of a small horse, I mean what am I missing? Am I crazy?
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Feb 11, 2021 15:31:25 GMT -5
Jesus. This is awful shit
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Feb 11, 2021 15:47:11 GMT -5
Jesus. This is awful shit Jesus Tapdancing Christ in a Tree
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Post by Feyrhausen on Feb 11, 2021 16:11:11 GMT -5
A friend of mine on Facebook is defending Manson on this shit. She is generally pretty reasonable and "woke" but her stance is this was all consensual kink. And now they are just regretting it and claiming abuse. Very disappointing.
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Post by Jaws the Shark on Feb 11, 2021 16:28:54 GMT -5
A friend of mine on Facebook is defending Manson on this shit. She is generally pretty reasonable and "woke" but her stance is this was all consensual kink. And now they are just regretting it and claiming abuse. Very disappointing. This is an aspect about the culture of celebrity that really bothers me, people who seem to think that because you're into someone's working you need to then like them as a person, even if they're an objectively crap person. I can understand someone not wanting to consume art made by a terrible person, but going the other way and defending shit like this because you like what they produce is mindbendingly idiotic.
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Post by edgestar on Feb 11, 2021 16:55:25 GMT -5
I have been abused. Not sexually, but mentally, and even physically. The physical abuse happened when I was 11 and 12. I HATED the summer, because it happened during break. I opened up to my aunt, immediately. It took YEARS, to tell my parents. I thought I deserved every kick or slap.
I feel bad for anyone he's hurt. I hope that they will be able to get help if they need it.
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Post by Hit Girl on Feb 11, 2021 17:36:24 GMT -5
A friend of mine on Facebook is defending Manson on this shit. She is generally pretty reasonable and "woke" but her stance is this was all consensual kink. And now they are just regretting it and claiming abuse. Very disappointing. I do agree that women getting involved with Manson would certainly have at least suspected he was into some kinky shit, and it was never going to be a conventional relationship, however that doesn't preclude the scenario that he went beyond the agreed terms of their relationship and into non consensual behaviour and outright abuse using his wealth and power to force them into silence.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Feb 11, 2021 17:58:02 GMT -5
A friend of mine on Facebook is defending Manson on this shit. She is generally pretty reasonable and "woke" but her stance is this was all consensual kink. And now they are just regretting it and claiming abuse. Very disappointing. I do agree that women getting involved with Manson would certainly have at least suspected he was into some kinky shit, and it was never going to be a conventional relationship, however that doesn't preclude the scenario that he went beyond the agreed terms of their relationship and into non consensual behaviour and outright abuse using his wealth and power to force them into silence. Thats my thoughts. There is nothing healthy or consensual about what they describe. I'm sure Manson got into plenty of kinky stuff with the women who are not accusing him, like Teese and McGowan. But nothing like what the others describe. Making him a coward just trying this shit with women he could control.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2021 18:30:21 GMT -5
I can't say this is surprising. This guy has always seemed like a piece of shit. Writing a couple of good albums and saying something decent on Bowling for Columbine shouldn't excuse his garbage.
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