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Post by Cyno on Feb 11, 2021 19:09:06 GMT -5
I do agree that women getting involved with Manson would certainly have at least suspected he was into some kinky shit, and it was never going to be a conventional relationship, however that doesn't preclude the scenario that he went beyond the agreed terms of their relationship and into non consensual behaviour and outright abuse using his wealth and power to force them into silence. Thats my thoughts. There is nothing healthy or consensual about what they describe. I'm sure Manson got into plenty of kinky stuff with the women who are not accusing him, like Teese and McGowan. But nothing like what the others describe. Making him a coward just trying this shit with women he could control. The behavior described by Bianco especially sounds like outright abuse and assault. Nothing like consent was apparently discussed. There was no safe word. Nothing at all mentioned about aftercare. This is Kink 101 stuff.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Feb 12, 2021 9:52:54 GMT -5
I'm not even a bondage person and I could tell you there's country miles between "safe, sane and consensual" and what Manson was doing. After reading Esme Bianco's account, he belongs in the dust bin with Garry Glitter.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Feb 12, 2021 11:31:32 GMT -5
Wes Borland must have the patience of a saint to have worked with both Marilyn Manson and Fred Durst. See this is one of the things that backs up his witness to me. If he was doing it because he was mad at Manson for something during the time he was in the band and he wanted revenge, he's been working with an immature asshole like Fred Durst for the majority of the last 30 years and the worst he's ever said about Fred is how irritating he is.
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