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Post by asuka007 on Oct 21, 2021 23:34:00 GMT -5
They could have done it easily with Balor as well. Of even Big E.
WWE seems to forget that you cannot have a division with only 1 or 2 true stars. You need more than that.
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Post by smokinvokoun86 on Oct 21, 2021 23:55:48 GMT -5
The closest they’ve come to really build up a true mega face for Roman to put over would have been Big E. But Lashley put him over, but it was a cash in, which, IMO, isn’t really how you build a new mega face.
So really, I have no clue who could really beat him at this point that’s ready to beat him.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Oct 21, 2021 23:58:57 GMT -5
And the thing is, they had that story. They spent months building up Cesaro as a threat to him, wanting to prove everyone wrong that he could get the job done. He strung some big wins together, had the crowd on his side, and got completely f***ing crushed and flung back down the card. Or listen to the crowd when Finn does his big hulk up spot up until the bullshit rope breaking. they were 100% behind Finn beating Roman. they showed that Owens was a hair away from beating him for like 6 months and at the beginning the crowd was behind him... but the constant Owens looks like an idiot cause he loses in literally the same way constantly turned the crowd off to him.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 22, 2021 0:00:02 GMT -5
After Roman killed Cesaro and the rumor came out that Roman will hold the title till Mania where he will face The Rock? I totally and completely checked out on this guy.
It's just the same f***ing thing and it's just completely uninteresting. Same entrances. Same promos. Same heatless drama because you know he's not going to lose. It's ironic how Roman turning heel has seemingly been the best thing for his career while at the same time being run straight into the ground.
He could have lost the belt once or even twice and gotten it back and it would have made things so much more interesting or compelling. Now it's just "Roman wins LOL". A new generation of just waiting for the inevitable...
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Oct 22, 2021 0:04:28 GMT -5
After Roman killed Cesaro and the rumor came out that Roman will hold the title till Mania where he will face The Rock? I totally and completely checked out on this guy. It's just the same f***ing thing and it's just completely uninteresting. Same entrances. Same promos. Same heatless drama because you know he's not going to lose. It's ironic how Roman turning heel has seemingly been the best thing for his career while at the same time being run straight into the ground. He could have lost the belt once or even twice and gotten it back and it would have made things so much more interesting or compelling. Now it's just "Roman wins LOL". A new generation of just waiting for the inevitable... as I said in another thread... they manage to revitalize Roman's career. They make him interesting in the first time in forever... then they remove all of the actually interesting shit and go right back into what made everyone turn against him in the first place. But are now trying to say it's ok now because he's a heel... except the point behind a heel is not to simply "Be booed" it's to want him to get his comeuppance and ultimately to get the face over... and Roman hasn't gotten anyone over.
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Post by Fade on Oct 22, 2021 0:21:39 GMT -5
After Roman killed Cesaro and the rumor came out that Roman will hold the title till Mania where he will face The Rock? I totally and completely checked out on this guy. It's just the same f***ing thing and it's just completely uninteresting. Same entrances. Same promos. Same heatless drama because you know he's not going to lose. It's ironic how Roman turning heel has seemingly been the best thing for his career while at the same time being run straight into the ground. He could have lost the belt once or even twice and gotten it back and it would have made things so much more interesting or compelling. Now it's just "Roman wins LOL". A new generation of just waiting for the inevitable... Damn. Yeah, same, I really thought and wanted Cesaro to score an upset win and have Roman lose his shit and get it back a day, a week, a month later. It didn’t matter. Now NOTHING matters lol. People hail Smackdown as the superior WWE show (it is) but I stopped watching months ago. I have no idea what will happen on any given Monday on that convoluted 3 hour dregs of a show called RAW. There is 0 reason to watch SD unless you’re invested in other aspects. I don't want him to lose the title yet. There's simply nobody capable of beating him right now. Brock could've won tonight and then what? He shows up every few months? Miss me with that shit. Roman is carrying this company right now. There's nobody on the Tribal Chief's level. Keith Lee COULD have been but they decided to make him wear a dodgy singlet and baggy pink shorts and call him "Bearcat" so there goes that idea. I don't want to see McIntyre or Edge or anyone like that beat him. That's a waste. It has to elevate someone new.
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Post by Dub H on Oct 22, 2021 0:25:22 GMT -5
this is the same story as ever with Roman
Someone that should beat him doesnt beat him, repeat every month for his whole post-shield career
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2021 4:00:28 GMT -5
McIntyre is literally the only active guy on the SD roster that I can see beating him. I sure as shit don't think it's going to be Jeff Hardy, Xavier Woods, or Nakamura.
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Post by J is Justice on Oct 22, 2021 5:38:53 GMT -5
Yeah, I love Roman, but it's starting to get repetitive now. He should've lost to Finn. I don't mind him beating Brock, but at least do something new.
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Post by Push R Truth on Oct 22, 2021 7:16:37 GMT -5
Romanmania chased a lot of people away.
However we've been in Romanmania for so long that a sizable % of the viewers are OK with it. So if you stop it now you lose the remaining viewers.
So the WWE put themselves in a lose-lose situation that's 100% entirely on them
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2021 8:10:03 GMT -5
I don't want him to lose the title yet. There's simply nobody capable of beating him right now. Brock could've won tonight and then what? He shows up every few months? Miss me with that shit. Roman is carrying this company right now. There's nobody on the Tribal Chief's level. Keith Lee COULD have been but they decided to make him wear a dodgy singlet and baggy pink shorts and call him "Bearcat" so there goes that idea. I don't want to see McIntyre or Edge or anyone like that beat him. That's a waste. It has to elevate someone new. Finn easily could have. Cesaro Could have. Nakamura could have. they could have built someone else up to face him. But instead they cut everyone off at the knees and basically grind it in that they aren't as good as Roman which buries the rest of your roster. Yeah, Brock shouldn't have won but Brock vs. Roman didn't need the title. Cena vs. Roman didn't need the title. the rumored "Rock vs. Roman" match sure as shit doesn't need the title. Roman just rolling through everyone and making everyone look inferior (or going through hoops to "protect" the opponent that only makes them look worse), has gotten old. Cesaro beating him would've been a huge anti climax in my opinion. I wouldn't have been MAD if Finn beat him but I still don't think it's time yet. Nakamura definitely could do it with the right build up. They need to get him away from Boogs and have him how he was in the beginning. I can't speak for everyone but for once I'm happy that there is a long title reign. I hate nothing more than when they keep hot shotting the titles and devaluing the prestige of them. Roman still has a lot to do as champion. Like you said, he hasn't faced Nakamura yet. He can still face the Usos in a Triple Threat which would be amazing if done right. Then Drew got drafted over so there's a match there, not that I'm overly interested in that one. Rock vs Roman is obviously gonna happen. And if the title is on the line then that must mean Roman is retaining aswell. Cause surely they're not gonna give Rock the title.. right?
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Oct 22, 2021 8:20:52 GMT -5
Rock vs Roman is obviously gonna happen. And if the title is on the line then that must mean Roman is retaining aswell. Cause surely they're not gonna give Rock the title.. right? Considering we’re not that long from a previous Rock title reign, I think you know the answer to that.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Oct 22, 2021 8:25:15 GMT -5
Rock vs Roman is obviously gonna happen. And if the title is on the line then that must mean Roman is retaining aswell. Cause surely they're not gonna give Rock the title.. right? Considering we’re not that long from a previous Rock title reign, I think you know the answer to that. For what it’s worth, the “not that long from” in your example is nine years in January. It’s only a couple of years off being as long from now to that reign as that reign was to his previous world title reign in 2002.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Oct 22, 2021 8:27:09 GMT -5
Considering we’re not that long from a previous Rock title reign, I think you know the answer to that. For what it’s worth, the “not that long from” in your example is nine years in January. It’d almost be as long from now to that reign as that reign was to his previous world title reign in 2002. Look, man, time moves slow enough that I can somewhat justify saying that. Leave your logic and sensible thinking out of this!
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Post by Mozenrath on Oct 22, 2021 8:35:12 GMT -5
I'm more or less fine with Brock losing here. I don't think he needs to be champion right now, and I am kind of glad about Saudi Arabia not getting a major title change that was shortchanged from a previous show to prop it up, but yeah, it does really make it feel clearer and clearer there never was any kind of plan. I don't even feel like it's going to be Rock, either, since Rock is so busy at any given time I just question the likelihood of Rock taking the time needed to train for it. I also honestly don't see Rock winning that match even if it did happen.
Part of me oddly could kind of see Nakamura being the guy to beat Roman. I don't necessarily think it's likely, like I wouldn't put money on it, but I can picture it happening, even if Drew is probably the safer bet.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Oct 22, 2021 8:44:10 GMT -5
But seriously, the lack of a notable endgame is a big factor here. Normally, if the plan is WrestleMania, you can sense about now who that’s going to be as they’re stringing some wins together or getting the verbal rocket on commentary or whatnot. We haven’t really got that guy at the moment.
It’s not unprecedented that we don’t, after all, Drew McIntyre only really started getting momentum for his shot at Brock Lesnar right at the end of December 2019 going into the new year when they lightened up his character a whole bunch, but in terms of guys with a bit of momentum, there’s like one or two. Damian Priest has one of the best win/loss records in the company this year, but it’s hard to picture him as the world title contender. And they’ve already done the feud with Edge earlier THIS year, twice technically. Other than those two and the match with The Rock which is like, you’d have to had that nailed in months ago because dude’s got that busy Hollywood schedule, there’s nobody that has any real momentum. Even McIntyre, someone a lot of people picked, has cooled off significantly and taken some scattered clean Ls here and there.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2021 8:54:09 GMT -5
They could have done it easily with Balor as well. Of even Big E. WWE seems to forget that you cannot have a division with only 1 or 2 true stars. You need more than that. This company would rather have just 1 true star than a bunch of big names that make them money because Vince is a paranoid weirdo who wants the brand to be what sells, not the wrestlers. He doesn't want anyone to leave him and make their income elsewhere as a result of getting too popular, so that's why they put all their eggs in one basket instead of diversifying their portfolio.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2021 9:07:27 GMT -5
RE: WWE booking
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2021 9:17:24 GMT -5
Rock vs Roman is obviously gonna happen. And if the title is on the line then that must mean Roman is retaining aswell. Cause surely they're not gonna give Rock the title.. right? Considering we’re not that long from a previous Rock title reign, I think you know the answer to that. If Rock beats Roman... Who does he lose it to? Roman again? That would be pointless. Just let Roman hold it past Mania and add to his numbers.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Oct 22, 2021 9:25:14 GMT -5
Considering we’re not that long from a previous Rock title reign, I think you know the answer to that. If Rock beats Roman... Who does he lose it to? Roman again? Yes. I mean, they did it before with The Rock and one was the highest drawing ‘Mania of all time pre-Network.
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