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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2021 23:20:44 GMT -5
Drew is screwed after tonight. They are clearly making Lashley the face and everyone is going to whine if Drew wins because he’s been too dominant this last year and it’s the same old crap again. Honestly, Drew may be in a worse position now than Miz. I wont say Drew is screwed but Drews got an uphill climb now. BUT they definetly f***ed up by clearly making Bobby a babyface for this Miz shenanigans and how the commentary was putting him over very babyface like ...now they somehow have to get people to buy back into Lashley as a hateable heel. Not to say they can't do it but they gave people a very strong glimpse into an awesome no nonsense badass Lashley that clearly people have been into especially from last wee k and tonight and it wont be easy to then tell them go back to booing this man now.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2021 23:20:48 GMT -5
I say this makes complete sense.
Right now we've got super dominant heel Lashley (who's so strong that he makes other heels look like bitches) against super face McIntyre (who's so great it takes an insane amount to have him lose). Mind you, during Backlash last year Lashley lost but that was due to Lana coming out. Now Lashley has her out of his life, he's got a grander team, he's been on a roll too. McIntyre on the other hand has seen loss and he's going to do what it takes to get the belt back. It also makes it look as though as Lashley is taking the smartest way to get the belt and that's by avoiding Drew, someone who did beat him prior.
Can Lashley truly beat Drew without issues or is he unsure? Can Drew defeat Lashley or did he only win due to Lana coming out?
Sounds like a great WM program to me.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 1, 2021 23:21:14 GMT -5
Because Miz is the lowest of the low At the end of the day, this is everyone rallying against the person who wouldn't be a "legit champion". Lashley only helped Miz because he knew he can beat the dog piss out of him and get a title shot immediately as opposed to "waiting his turn" In terms of a "prison system" Lashley is an asshole who probably murdered someone while Miz is that guy and everyone hates that guy But this is the same guy who caused the lowest of the low to win the belt to begin with, and we're assuming it's all building to McIntyre getting his revenge. So again, why are we giving this kayfabe scumbag the big babyface win? I don't need to know why Miz is worse than Lashley, that's obvious. I'd like to know why we think Miz getting the belt in the middle of this fairly straight forward story to play the bigger heel against the heel that's will be getting the big heel build was a good booking move. It isn't a babyface win tho For all intents and purposes, Lashley can consider himself the babyface because he got what was coming to him Miz was the middle man. As just said, you have the idea now Lashley can't beat Drew because he has lost to Drew already. MVP offered Miz a deal to have Lashley help him because Morrison cost him the U.S. title and Miz also couldn't beat Drew without help. Everyone got what they wanted except Miz was trying to skate out his deal The story is still fairly straight forward
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Mar 1, 2021 23:21:56 GMT -5
Because Miz is the lowest of the low At the end of the day, this is everyone rallying against the person who wouldn't be a "legit champion". Lashley only helped Miz because he knew he can beat the dog piss out of him and get a title shot immediately as opposed to "waiting his turn" In terms of a "prison system" Lashley is an asshole who probably murdered someone while Miz is that guy and everyone hates that guy But this is the same guy who caused the lowest of the low to win the belt to begin with, and we're assuming it's all building to McIntyre getting his revenge. So again, why are we giving this kayfabe scumbag the big babyface win? I don't need to know why Miz is worse than Lashley, that's obvious. I'd like to know why we think Miz getting the belt in the middle of this fairly straight forward story to play the bigger heel against the heel that's will be getting the big heel build was a good booking move. Because there’s two months between Chamber and Mania with a PPV shoved in the middle there. Given that, and the fact that you don’t want to exhaust Drew/Lashley right away, it helped and at least gave the show a little extra energy.
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Mar 1, 2021 23:22:47 GMT -5
Drew is screwed after tonight. They are clearly making Lashley the face and everyone is going to whine if Drew wins because he’s been too dominant this last year and it’s the same old crap again. Honestly, Drew may be in a worse position now than Miz. I wont say Drew is screwed but Drews got an uphill climb now. BUT they definetly f***ed up by clearly making Bobby a babyface for this Miz shenanigans and how the commentary was putting him over very babyface like ...now they somehow have to get people to buy back into Lashley as a hateable heel. Not to say they can't do it but they gave people a very strong glimpse into an awesome no nonsense badass Lashley that clearly people have been into especially from last wee k and tonight and it wont be easy to then tell them go back to booing this man now. I just wished they hadn’t used the lumberjacks tonight. Why would anyone around that ring, besides Hurt Business, want Bobby Lashley to be WWE Champion?
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Mar 1, 2021 23:22:58 GMT -5
But this is the same guy who caused the lowest of the low to win the belt to begin with, and we're assuming it's all building to McIntyre getting his revenge. So again, why are we giving this kayfabe scumbag the big babyface win? I don't need to know why Miz is worse than Lashley, that's obvious. I'd like to know why we think Miz getting the belt in the middle of this fairly straight forward story to play the bigger heel against the heel that's will be getting the big heel build was a good booking move. It isn't a babyface win tho For all intents and purposes, Lashley can consider himself the babyface because he got what was coming to him Miz was the middle man. As just said, you have the idea now Lashley can't beat Drew because he has lost to Drew already. MVP offered Miz a deal to have Lashley help him because Morrison cost him the U.S. title and Miz also couldn't beat Drew without help. Everyone got what they wanted except Miz was trying to skate out his deal The story is still fairly straight forward Also, anybody is a babyface against Miz. Let Lashley kill Hardy, Riddle and a few others and it’s fine.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 1, 2021 23:23:05 GMT -5
It was a one night thing, he got a defacto face pop but he still beat the shit out the Miz after to show his dominance
Same shit what happened with Mark Henry when he won the World title and Cole was putting him over heavily on commentary
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Mar 1, 2021 23:23:11 GMT -5
Lashley’s win may be the ultimate proof of the Hurt Business being the best thing WWE built up during the Covid Era
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2021 23:25:00 GMT -5
Drew is screwed after tonight. They are clearly making Lashley the face and everyone is going to whine if Drew wins because he’s been too dominant this last year and it’s the same old crap again. Honestly, Drew may be in a worse position now than Miz. Lashley was only a face tonight because he was against Miz. He's still the same asshole/bully who cost Drew the title at Elimination Chamber. People might complain online but I bet the crowd cheers Drew at Wrestlemania. He has so much goodwill and sympathy for having his moment ruined last year and Lashley is so good as a monster heel that I have no doubt that the match they put on will get the reaction they want at Wrestlemania.
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Post by ChitownKnight on Mar 1, 2021 23:25:03 GMT -5
Fun fact. Lashley and McIntyre both made their debuts for their current runs on the Raw after mania 34 and now they are in the wwe title match at mania 37
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Post by chazraps on Mar 1, 2021 23:25:23 GMT -5
Single best episode of RAW of the three-hour era. Wow, what a show with a super satisfying finish.
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Post by Perd on Mar 1, 2021 23:25:29 GMT -5
Miz: What about the rematch clause? Shane: Tbere is no rematch clause. Miz: PHEW! THANK YOU, GOD!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2021 23:25:48 GMT -5
But this is the same guy who caused the lowest of the low to win the belt to begin with, and we're assuming it's all building to McIntyre getting his revenge. So again, why are we giving this kayfabe scumbag the big babyface win? I don't need to know why Miz is worse than Lashley, that's obvious. I'd like to know why we think Miz getting the belt in the middle of this fairly straight forward story to play the bigger heel against the heel that's will be getting the big heel build was a good booking move. It makes sense if you look at their history. Lashley's biggest issue is that he's completely relied on his strength rather than his brains. That's where MVP and Hurt Business comes in, they're the brains. In Lashley's mind he's lost to Drew already so it's going to be a far dumber thing to face him compared to someone like Miz. Yeah, he could potentially beat Drew but it's not a surefire thing. From a kayfabe standpoint Miz and Morrison came to Lashley and Hurt Business to discuss business and they saw the opportunity to tackle than rather than heading straight for Drew.
From a booking standpoint it makes Lashley more unsure that he can beat Drew. Yeah, we could have Lashley be this big huge world killer who can instantly defeat Drew without any worries or potential "what if's" but mind you, what happens if someone is super OP like that? We get the Lesnars, the Strowmans, the Beckys, the Romans, the Cena's.
This makes Lashley more realistic and beatable. He's likely the strongest guy on Raw right now but we know he isn't a Lesnar which is a good thing.
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Post by Starshine on Mar 1, 2021 23:26:14 GMT -5
But this is the same guy who caused the lowest of the low to win the belt to begin with, and we're assuming it's all building to McIntyre getting his revenge. So again, why are we giving this kayfabe scumbag the big babyface win? I don't need to know why Miz is worse than Lashley, that's obvious. I'd like to know why we think Miz getting the belt in the middle of this fairly straight forward story to play the bigger heel against the heel that's will be getting the big heel build was a good booking move. It isn't a babyface win tho For all intents and purposes, Lashley can consider himself the babyface because he got what was coming to him Miz was the middle man. As just said, you have the idea now Lashley can't beat Drew because he has lost to Drew already. MVP offered Miz a deal to have Lashley help him because Morrison cost him the U.S. title and Miz also couldn't beat Drew without help. Everyone got what they wanted except Miz was trying to skate out his deal The story is still fairly straight forward I still say a better story is we know Lashley can beat Drew now, and we don't know whether Drew is on his level anymore. That's pretty standard Hero's Journey stuff. But this is the same guy who caused the lowest of the low to win the belt to begin with, and we're assuming it's all building to McIntyre getting his revenge. So again, why are we giving this kayfabe scumbag the big babyface win? I don't need to know why Miz is worse than Lashley, that's obvious. I'd like to know why we think Miz getting the belt in the middle of this fairly straight forward story to play the bigger heel against the heel that's will be getting the big heel build was a good booking move. Because there’s two months between Chamber and Mania with a PPV shoved in the middle there. Given that, and the fact that you don’t want to exhaust Drew/Lashley right away, it helped and at least gave the show a little extra energy. They don't have to book McIntyre/Lashley between now and Mania. They could have done a Sheamus/McIntyre as a contenders match somewhere to finish that, and Lashley defends against, I don't know... Matt Riddle, or Randy Orton, or someone like that.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Mar 1, 2021 23:28:11 GMT -5
It isn't a babyface win tho For all intents and purposes, Lashley can consider himself the babyface because he got what was coming to him Miz was the middle man. As just said, you have the idea now Lashley can't beat Drew because he has lost to Drew already. MVP offered Miz a deal to have Lashley help him because Morrison cost him the U.S. title and Miz also couldn't beat Drew without help. Everyone got what they wanted except Miz was trying to skate out his deal The story is still fairly straight forward I still say a better story is we know Lashley can beat Drew now, and we don't know whether Drew is on his level anymore. That's pretty standard Hero's Journey stuff. Because there’s two months between Chamber and Mania with a PPV shoved in the middle there. Given that, and the fact that you don’t want to exhaust Drew/Lashley right away, it helped and at least gave the show a little extra energy. They don't have to book McIntyre/Lashley between now and Mania. They could have done a Sheamus/McIntyre as a contenders match somewhere to finish that, and Lashley defends against, I don't know... Matt Riddle, or Randy Orton, or someone like that. I hear you, dude. I think they’re on a fine course overall but you’ve made good points here. I could even see Lashley pulling out a win at Mania, but we’ll see!
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Post by Starshine on Mar 1, 2021 23:29:50 GMT -5
But this is the same guy who caused the lowest of the low to win the belt to begin with, and we're assuming it's all building to McIntyre getting his revenge. So again, why are we giving this kayfabe scumbag the big babyface win? I don't need to know why Miz is worse than Lashley, that's obvious. I'd like to know why we think Miz getting the belt in the middle of this fairly straight forward story to play the bigger heel against the heel that's will be getting the big heel build was a good booking move. It makes sense if you look at their history. Lashley's biggest issue is that he's completely relied on his strength rather than his brains. That's where MVP and Hurt Business comes in, they're the brains. In Lashley's mind he's lost to Drew already so it's going to be a far dumber thing to face him compared to someone like Miz. Yeah, he could potentially beat Drew but it's not a surefire thing compared to someone like Miz. From a kayfabe standpoint Miz and Morrison came to Lashley and Hurt Business to discuss business and they saw the opportunity to tackle than rather than hearing straight for Drew.
From a booking standpoint it makes Lashley more unsure that he can beat Drew. Yeah, we could have Lashley be this big huge world killer who can instantly defeat Drew without any worries or potential "what if's" but mind you, what happens if someone is super OP like that? We get the Lesnars, the Strowmans, the Beckys, the Romans, the Cena's.
This makes Lashley more realistic and beatable. He's likely the strongest guy on Raw right now but we know he isn't a Lesnar which is a good thing.
But you can do the same story, but make it more about how Lashley now knows ho to beat McIntyre, instead of trying to avoid the guy. Make the dominant babyface the underdog, but instead of just saying it, show it in the build. He hasn't been built as a dodging champion all year, why now? Just have him kill the guy, and show he's the legitimate deal. It's easier, and makes the match more interesting.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2021 23:30:01 GMT -5
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 1, 2021 23:31:47 GMT -5
It isn't a babyface win tho For all intents and purposes, Lashley can consider himself the babyface because he got what was coming to him Miz was the middle man. As just said, you have the idea now Lashley can't beat Drew because he has lost to Drew already. MVP offered Miz a deal to have Lashley help him because Morrison cost him the U.S. title and Miz also couldn't beat Drew without help. Everyone got what they wanted except Miz was trying to skate out his deal The story is still fairly straight forward I still say a better story is we know Lashley can beat Drew now, and we don't know whether Drew is on his level anymore. That's pretty standard Hero's Journey stuff.Because there’s two months between Chamber and Mania with a PPV shoved in the middle there. Given that, and the fact that you don’t want to exhaust Drew/Lashley right away, it helped and at least gave the show a little extra energy. They don't have to book McIntyre/Lashley between now and Mania. They could have done a Sheamus/McIntyre as a contenders match somewhere to finish that, and Lashley defends against, I don't know... Matt Riddle, or Randy Orton, or someone like that. 100 percent agree
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2021 23:32:30 GMT -5
I'd rather Brock just never come back but whenever he does, they need to have Lashley beat his ass. Lashley's basically just Good Lesnar at this point.
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Post by Ozman on Mar 1, 2021 23:34:27 GMT -5
Thank God!!! Had to miss the last two episodes of Raw because of Miz’s stale ass as champion. The Hurt Business is my favorite thing about Raw, and Lashley as champion should be good.
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