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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 1, 2021 23:55:31 GMT -5
*Looks to the left*
*Looks to the right*
... So uh, can he have his headband back now??
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 1, 2021 23:56:10 GMT -5
Drew McIntyre closed a Wreslemania by beating Brock Lesnar clean in a few minutes. We really got people here saying that he hasn't been the strongest booked guy in this company within the past year? It's clear he's been the lead face especially when Reigns is a heel.
And Roman has only been able to return as a heel because Drew carrying the torch as a face Drew beat Lashley last year. He beat Orton. He beat Goldberg clean Like to say this man isn't a top face is just either pure hating or you talking out your ass
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Mar 1, 2021 23:56:19 GMT -5
*Looks to the left* *Looks to the right* ... So uh, can he have his headband back now?? If he gets the headband back, nobody can stop him.
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Post by nisidhe on Mar 1, 2021 23:57:04 GMT -5
This is the kind of thing that makes people stop caring about wrestling. Is it impossible anymore for a pure babyface (who's never been a heel) to reach the top of the mountain? And why is WWE so goddamned lazy that they can't even be bothered with any kind of story arc to turn Lashley babyface. Congratulations, Vince - you now have one babyface ex-champion, a heel ex-champion and now a f***ING HEEL CHAMPION. This isn't even on a par with the Wrestlemania 9 f***up. Hogan, at least, was a big enough name back then to pull off the win against Yokozuna. Drew McIntyre, God love him, is no Bret Hart - he's not been as established as the top face (in an age of two/three brands The Face no longer exists), and now is in a piss-poor consolation spot vis a vis Lashley whose _only_ face act in the last year and a half has been beating an even more insufferable heel in The Miz. What in Christ's name do you do with this mess? The writers cut the Drew/Sheamus feud off at the knees for this garbage. They finagled the Money in the Bank briefcase from Otis to put it on Mizanin - and they turn Otis heel anyway! The Hurt Business, yes, should be in a position to challenge for one of the big titles - only problem is that the champion before all this mess just happened to be a babyface who would have been better off fending off the challenge from Lashley and facing down the rest of the stable. In nearly five years, the Heenan Family did their damnedest to throw Hogan off the mountain and could only manage it once through a level of chicanery never repeated in WWE history. These morons couldn't get past the first fifteen minutes of an arc like that. Garbage in, garbage out, I guess. Clearly, none of these people worked on _Schitt's Creek_. I disagree with all of this To say Drew hasn't been a top face is laughable Drew is not on Bret Hart's level as Top Face. Contrary to plans, Bret's loss at Wrestlemania and the feuds he had afterwards did _nothing_ to hurt him and, in fact, kept him as the Face of the Company during Hogan's utter absence from WWE between Wrestlemania and his loss at King of the Ring '93. In an environment with a fraction of the ratings, with the current booking as it is, what has Drew to look forward to for feuds now that he's a) no longer the champion and b) not even seen as the Top Face of the brand more. If Lashley could so easily and with a simple match pull the rug out from under Drew's feet, what does that say about Drew? In the COVID era, it would have been better to keep the title on Drew so that the Hurt Business could step in as a new Heenan Family, with a bunch of wrestlers under MVP each of whom could pose a serious threat to the title. Instead, Vince and co. muddies the waters alignment-wise yet again and keeps pushing away the casual fans.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 1, 2021 23:57:15 GMT -5
Drew Vs Lashley Vs Roman Straight up Hoss fight Can we throw in Lesnar for a full on Hossapalooza? Lesnar with his working boots on 100 percent Would love for a Prime Samoa Joe to be in there too
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Post by Topher is Human on Mar 1, 2021 23:57:33 GMT -5
In the last two years, they have crowned 3 new first time WWE Champions, two of them black, two of them as heroic faces.
All three may be in the 35-45yo bracket, but they’re actually showing their faith in different faces at the top.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 1, 2021 23:59:36 GMT -5
In the last two years, they have crowned 3 new first time WWE Champions, two of them black, two of them as heroic faces. All three may be in the 35-45yo bracket, but they’re actually showing their faith in different faces at the top. And for all intents and purposes, Lashley was crowned one day after Black History Month ended
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Mar 1, 2021 23:59:48 GMT -5
🗣Lashley said shut the f*** up cause a real one walking through. Finally, dignity has been brought back to this title after it fell in a sewer for eight days
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2021 23:59:48 GMT -5
And, I know that we can't walk out of Mania with both brands having heel champions, but I don't care. Lashley vs. Roman is _MONEY_ right now. Even if they stay heels, THE DESTROYER with MVP, vs. THE CHIEF with PAUL HEYMAN. There's intrigue, and there's money in letting them just go to town and rip teeth into each other. It's not impossible since the brand split, but keeping both Roman vs. Lashley as Hogan/Warror like for Mania next year is pretty much impossible with so much TV and PPVs. Maybe they could have it a Survivor Series but even then sooo much TV hours and PPVs. They managed it with Drew and Lashley. Both have only had one clean loss in the past year. That's why the Wrestlemania match will feel like such a battle of the titans because they've been booked so strong when the exact same match two years ago would have been a forgettable midcard match on Raw.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 2, 2021 0:01:42 GMT -5
It's not impossible since the brand split, but keeping both Roman vs. Lashley as Hogan/Warror like for Mania next year is pretty much impossible with so much TV and PPVs. Maybe they could have it a Survivor Series but even then sooo much TV hours and PPVs. They managed it with Drew and Lashley. Both have only had one clean loss in the past year. That's why the Wrestlemania match will feel like such a battle of the titans because they've been booked so strong when the exact same match two years ago would have been a forgettable midcard match on Raw. What was Drew clean L? He has lost to Miz, Orton and Reigns all via shenanigans The story going into Reigns/McIntyre was Reigns thinking this was still the same Drew he beat at Mania and him in bewilderment at Drew being on his level to the point he had to cheat
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2021 0:02:42 GMT -5
They managed it with Drew and Lashley. Both have only had one clean loss in the past year. That's why the Wrestlemania match will feel like such a battle of the titans because they've been booked so strong when the exact same match two years ago would have been a forgettable midcard match on Raw. What was Drew clean L? He has lost to Miz, Orton and Reigns all via shenanigans The story going into Reigns/McIntyre was Reigns thinking this was still the same Drew he beat at Mania and him in bewilderment at Drew being on his level to the point he had to cheat Wasn't the Hell in a cell loss to Orton clean?
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 2, 2021 0:03:11 GMT -5
I disagree with all of this To say Drew hasn't been a top face is laughable Drew is not on Bret Hart's level as Top Face. Contrary to plans, Bret's loss at Wrestlemania and the feuds he had afterwards did _nothing_ to hurt him and, in fact, kept him as the Face of the Company during Hogan's utter absence from WWE between Wrestlemania and his loss at King of the Ring '93. In an environment with a fraction of the ratings, with the current booking as it is, what has Drew to look forward to for feuds now that he's a) no longer the champion and b) not even seen as the Top Face of the brand more. If Lashley could so easily and with a simple match pull the rug out from under Drew's feet, what does that say about Drew? In the COVID era, it would have been better to keep the title on Drew so that the Hurt Business could step in as a new Heenan Family, with a bunch of wrestlers under MVP each of whom could pose a serious threat to the title. Instead, Vince and co. muddies the waters alignment-wise yet again and keeps pushing away the casual fans. I don't see how a heel celebrating his title win is muddying the waters from a casual fan The most simple fan saw what happened over the last 8 days and knows why Miz got what was coming to him and Lashley still yoked him up again after the bell ended
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 2, 2021 0:04:19 GMT -5
What was Drew clean L? He has lost to Miz, Orton and Reigns all via shenanigans The story going into Reigns/McIntyre was Reigns thinking this was still the same Drew he beat at Mania and him in bewilderment at Drew being on his level to the point he had to cheat Wasn't the Hell in a cell loss to Orton clean? Was it? It might have been
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 2, 2021 0:04:59 GMT -5
I disagree with all of this To say Drew hasn't been a top face is laughable Drew is not on Bret Hart's level as Top Face. Contrary to plans, Bret's loss at Wrestlemania and the feuds he had afterwards did _nothing_ to hurt him and, in fact, kept him as the Face of the Company during Hogan's utter absence from WWE between Wrestlemania and his loss at King of the Ring '93. In an environment with a fraction of the ratings, with the current booking as it is, what has Drew to look forward to for feuds now that he's a) no longer the champion and b) not even seen as the Top Face of the brand more. If Lashley could so easily and with a simple match pull the rug out from under Drew's feet, what does that say about Drew? In the COVID era, it would have been better to keep the title on Drew so that the Hurt Business could step in as a new Heenan Family, with a bunch of wrestlers under MVP each of whom could pose a serious threat to the title. Instead, Vince and co. muddies the waters alignment-wise yet again and keeps pushing away the casual fans. All this anger when it's clearly explained as to why Lashley won the belt and took it when he did. Morrison cost Lashley the US Title, Miz needed help in getting the WWE Title. Lashley saw an opportunity, beat down the biggest dog in the yard, let Miz pick the scraps, and then for their trouble, Miz did what everyone wanted to see happen to him, got his ass beat down by a monster, who is a heel regardless of what happened. A Heel celebrating his title win with a smile doesn't muddy any waters whatsoever, everyone wants that belt, everyone celebrates and is happy when they win it, it's what they all want. Drew chasing the title and Hurt Business is a fine feud, Drew's the only one to pin Lashley within the last year. This is a much different Lashley than he pinned. To say that can't be a fresh and cool storyline where Drew has to possibly fight the Hurt Business as well, is a good road to take because you can easily fill it for six weeks, and paint Drew as someone who got played, and now has to grind to get his belt back from a legit challenger. It'd be nice if he and Sheamus made up so he could have an ally vs The Hurt Business, which is doable, but that aside, this is all set up fine, and for once ISN'T a huge mess on WWE's part considering Miz's entire MITB run WAS a mess, this was probably one of the better paths they could have taken to have it be a satisfying conclusion. All this ranting makes me genuinely curious what people want sometimes. When something that actually makes sense happens after so much BS, and fans are actually showing praise for said result, there are people saying the business is dying and they'll never watch again. Maybe casuals aren't always the problem? Idk, just a thought.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Mar 2, 2021 0:06:37 GMT -5
And, I know that we can't walk out of Mania with both brands having heel champions, but I don't care. Lashley vs. Roman is _MONEY_ right now. Even if they stay heels, THE DESTROYER with MVP, vs. THE CHIEF with PAUL HEYMAN. There's intrigue, and there's money in letting them just go to town and rip teeth into each other. Drew Vs Lashley Vs Roman Straight up Hoss fight I just really want that BIG FIGHT FEEL buildup with that Trash Talk bringing everyone's rage up to a boil. Where you can't wait to see everyone just THROW BOMBS because they're all TOO DAMN MAD to think about strategy.
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Post by The Legendary Ring Troll {BLM} on Mar 2, 2021 0:08:00 GMT -5
Lashley vs. Drew. Drew vs. Roman. Lashley vs. Roman. Lashley vs. Lesnar. These are money matches. That’s the first time I’ve been able to say that about a WWE match in a long time, but these three have been built as legit top guys.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 2, 2021 0:09:06 GMT -5
Drew is not on Bret Hart's level as Top Face. Contrary to plans, Bret's loss at Wrestlemania and the feuds he had afterwards did _nothing_ to hurt him and, in fact, kept him as the Face of the Company during Hogan's utter absence from WWE between Wrestlemania and his loss at King of the Ring '93. In an environment with a fraction of the ratings, with the current booking as it is, what has Drew to look forward to for feuds now that he's a) no longer the champion and b) not even seen as the Top Face of the brand more. If Lashley could so easily and with a simple match pull the rug out from under Drew's feet, what does that say about Drew? In the COVID era, it would have been better to keep the title on Drew so that the Hurt Business could step in as a new Heenan Family, with a bunch of wrestlers under MVP each of whom could pose a serious threat to the title. Instead, Vince and co. muddies the waters alignment-wise yet again and keeps pushing away the casual fans. All this anger when it's clearly explained as to why Lashley won the belt and took it when he did. Morrison cost Lashley the US Title, Miz needed help in getting the WWE Title. Lashley saw an opportunity, beat down the biggest dog in the yard, let Miz pick the scraps, and then for their trouble, Miz did what everyone wanted to see happen to him, got his ass beat down by a monster, who is a heel regardless of what happened. A Heel celebrating his title win with a smile doesn't muddy any waters whatsoever, everyone wants that belt, everyone celebrates and is happy when they win it, it's what they all want. Drew chasing the title and Hurt Business is a fine feud, Drew's the only one to pin Lashley within the last year. This is a much different Lashley than he pinned. To say that can't be a fresh and cool storyline where Drew has to possibly fight the Hurt Business as well, is a good road to take because you can easily fill it for six weeks, and paint Drew as someone who got played, and now has to grind to get his belt back from a legit challenger. It'd be nice if he and Sheamus made up so he could have an ally vs The Hurt Business, which is doable, but that aside, this is all set up fine, and for once ISN'T a huge mess on WWE's part considering Miz's entire MITB run WAS a mess, this was probably one of the better paths they could have taken to have it be a satisfying conclusion. All this ranting makes me genuinely curious what people want sometimes. When something that actually makes sense happens after so much BS, and fans are actually showing praise for said result, there are people saying the business is dying and they'll never watch again. Maybe casuals aren't always the problem? Idk, just a thought. Yea, like if you watched the last 2 weeks of TV with the PPV you understood why this match happened They made it obviously clear MVP and Miz made a deal before the EC match so this was coming. In the end, Drew has to climb his way back up and instead of Miz it is now Lashley but he don't give a f*** You have a rematch from last year where Drew was newly crowned champ against a new and improved Lashley with MVP. Now Lashley has the Hurt Business and Drew is facing a man at the top of his game even more then last year. This will be Drews biggest match to date
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Mar 2, 2021 0:09:38 GMT -5
Lashley vs. Drew. Drew vs. Roman. Lashley vs. Roman. Lashley vs. Lesnar. These are money matches. That’s the first time I’ve been able to say that about a WWE match in a long time, but these three have been built as legit top guys. And Daniel Bryan waiting in the wings to try and break whoever survives down.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Mar 2, 2021 0:10:06 GMT -5
March 1st 2021 now going down as Feb 29th. If you know, you know,
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Post by Shark on Mar 2, 2021 0:11:06 GMT -5
This is the kind of thing that makes people stop caring about wrestling. Is it impossible anymore for a pure babyface (who's never been a heel) to reach the top of the mountain? And why is WWE so goddamned lazy that they can't even be bothered with any kind of story arc to turn Lashley babyface. Congratulations, Vince - you now have one babyface ex-champion, a heel ex-champion and now a f***ING HEEL CHAMPION. This isn't even on a par with the Wrestlemania 9 f***up. Hogan, at least, was a big enough name back then to pull off the win against Yokozuna. Drew McIntyre, God love him, is no Bret Hart - he's not been as established as the top face (in an age of two/three brands The Face no longer exists), and now is in a piss-poor consolation spot vis a vis Lashley whose _only_ face act in the last year and a half has been beating an even more insufferable heel in The Miz. What in Christ's name do you do with this mess? The writers cut the Drew/Sheamus feud off at the knees for this garbage. They finagled the Money in the Bank briefcase from Otis to put it on Mizanin - and they turn Otis heel anyway! The Hurt Business, yes, should be in a position to challenge for one of the big titles - only problem is that the champion before all this mess just happened to be a babyface who would have been better off fending off the challenge from Lashley and facing down the rest of the stable. In nearly five years, the Heenan Family did their damnedest to throw Hogan off the mountain and could only manage it once through a level of chicanery never repeated in WWE history. These morons couldn't get past the first fifteen minutes of an arc like that. Garbage in, garbage out, I guess. Clearly, none of these people worked on _Schitt's Creek_. I don't even know how to unpack this because this makes literally zero sense. Lashley isn't a babyface. He's a heel out beat the hell out of another heel. And if you really think Drew isn't the top face of WWE, then you're just lost. There's no other face in WWE who is on his level, not even Bryan. You're just lost dude.
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