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Post by kidkamikaze10 on Mar 8, 2021 14:54:49 GMT -5
Contrary to a lot of the talk post-Revolution, I think the biggest hurdle for AEW isn't the on-screen talent. It's the behind the scenes production crew.
It's been two years, and sound issues have been a problem throughout. From the first Dynamite to Maki Ito's live mic being way too loud or the commentary being way too loud during the street fight, sound has been the most consistent problem for AEW.
The social media side of things are carried by the wrestlers, while the main accounts flounder regularly. Especially whoever handles the youtube side.
On the tech side, their partnership with Bleacher Report has had multiple screw ups.
The one area where AEW is great at is the visual side, but that is covered by creatives like Nick Mondo, Darby Allin, etc.
And well, the props side got exposed last night. I'd go as far as saying AEW has a debt they need to repay for Eddie, making him look dumb in that ending.
These aren't roles that are easy to fill, especially in a pandemic. But it's something NXT got MUCH better at. Hell, I'd say it's the thing WWE is best at. So AEW needs to pick up the pace here to continue to grow.
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Post by Dub H on Mar 8, 2021 14:57:32 GMT -5
Well I agree overall but Bleacher Report is nothing they have control over.
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Post by Celgress on Mar 8, 2021 14:59:38 GMT -5
Their backstage interview segments sucked until very recently due to poor sound quality control issues. They also often miss out of ring spots live. Yeah, their production needs to improve.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Mar 8, 2021 15:05:09 GMT -5
The biggest thing to me is the social media stuff. It's just too many mistakes. You don't need to fire anyone per se but you definitely need someone to come in and support your team.
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Post by Bo Rida on Mar 8, 2021 15:07:42 GMT -5
The sound mixing has been terrible for a long time.
The camera work is mostly good but they do pick the odd angle or miss things from time to time.
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Post by pinja on Mar 8, 2021 15:09:36 GMT -5
Yeah, for all the crap Kevin Dunn catches, his production quality is as flawless as it gets. Seems like producing a live wrestling show on a weekly basis isn't that easy, huh. I'd really like to know if these are teething troubles to be expected, no matter the budget, or if they have a serious problem talent wise.
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Post by Cyno on Mar 8, 2021 15:18:36 GMT -5
AEW is blameless for any issues with Bleacher Report. That's completely on B/R and their corporate overlords at Warnermedia, not AEW.
Also can't really agree on social media. I think whoever runs their regular Instagram and the AEWONTNT (which might be a TNT/Warner person and not an AEW person, to be fair) accounts normally does a really good job. Their Twitter is mostly good, too. They drop the ball on Youtube a lot, but Youtube is also a shitty platform in a lot of ways. They wouldn't be the first platform to have issues with them for no real reason.
The commentary shouldn't have been there, period, during the Street Fight and that's distinctly a direction problem more than production, but I digress. Otherwise, I think the sound has improved dramatically since they first started doing shows a couple of years ago. There's still some botches here and there, but nothing like what was happening during the first year of the company's existence. And while the botched explosion was hilarious in how dumb it looked, it was just that: a botch. It's the first real mistake they've made in that department that sticks out. They learn, probably never do that kind of match again in a live environment, and move on.
And yeah, WWE does this stuff better than anyone else. But even they have some of these technical botches every so often, too. Hell, it's happened at some pretty big shows like Wrestlemania. The freakin' Super Bowl was delayed for like an hour a few years ago because of a power outage at half of the Superdome.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2021 15:20:14 GMT -5
Yeah, for all the crap Kevin Dunn catches, his production quality is as flawless as it gets. Ehhhh, I find that to be a pretty big overstatement. WWE misses spots or does weird framing all the time, scenes are constantly blocked in absolutely bizarre ways, they don't seem to have any concept of restraint whatsoever, and the constant shaky-cam and million mile a minute cuts can make it genuinely unpleasant to look at. He's a consistent producer (which is better than AEW has) but I wouldn't by any stretch of the imagination call him a quality one.
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Post by Bo Rida on Mar 8, 2021 15:20:50 GMT -5
Yeah, for all the crap Kevin Dunn catches, his production quality is as flawless as it gets. Seems like producing a live wrestling show on a weekly basis isn't that easy, huh. I'd really like to know if these are teething troubles to be expected, no matter the budget, or if they have a serious problem talent wise. Eh, I'll take the occasional hiccup and dodgy sound over death by a thousand fast cuts. Although what I think of as drunken camera man moments are nearly as bad, when the centre cam is off-centre for a while and it lurches around until they eventually fix it.
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Post by Cyno on Mar 8, 2021 15:23:42 GMT -5
Yeah, for all the crap Kevin Dunn catches, his production quality is as flawless as it gets. Ehhhh, I find that to be a pretty big overstatement. WWE misses spots or does weird framing all the time, scenes are constantly blocked in absolutely bizarre ways, they don't seem to have any concept of restraint whatsoever, and the constant shaky-cam and million mile a minute cuts can make it genuinely unpleasant to look at. He's a consistent producer but I wouldn't by any stretch of the imagination call him a quality one. Yeah, AEW had a pretty significant missed spot in the Shaq/Jade vs. Cody/Red Velvet match last week when the camera was so focused on Shaq and Cody being laid out after the table spot that it missed most of the big spear spot between Jade and Velvet. And I'd still take a big hiccup like that over Kevin Dunn's usual "flawless" camera work.
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Post by pinja on Mar 8, 2021 15:26:48 GMT -5
I didn't know how to put it, but I don't equal prodcution quality to production style. I dislike much of Dunn's style, but I admire how well it's generally executed.
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Post by Welfare Willis on Mar 8, 2021 15:26:57 GMT -5
I want to know who decided the "brass ring" for the ladder match should be an inner tube spraypainted gold. Scorpio Sky looked like he won the golden doughnut. Brother earned a lifetime supply of Dunkin Donuts and not the face of the revolution.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Mar 8, 2021 15:29:33 GMT -5
I didn't know how to put it, but I don't equal prodcution quality to production style. I dislike much of Dunn's style, but I admire how well it's generally executed. Dunn is kind of like Michael Bay: you have to have a lot of technical skill to put together something that hard to watch.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Mar 8, 2021 15:30:00 GMT -5
They need some sort of quality control check system in place that will contest even Tony’s decision making. I’d agree.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 8, 2021 17:23:05 GMT -5
I agree they can fine tune some things in some areas but saying Kevin Dunn's production quality if FLAWLESS? Holy hell I've watched almost every WWE show since I've been alive, I can guarantee you that's an overstatement, to a very high degree... he has activelt ruined some matches and moments with his nauseating cuts.
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Post by pinja on Mar 8, 2021 18:58:07 GMT -5
I agree they can fine tune some things in some areas but saying Kevin Dunn's production quality if FLAWLESS? Holy hell I've watched almost every WWE show since I've been alive, I can guarantee you that's an overstatement, to a very high degree... he has activelt ruined some matches and moments with his nauseating cuts. I could go without at least "holy hell". "Flawless" is asymptotic, one can never reach it, hence "as flawless as it gets". If he actively ruined matches by his style, then it wasn't passively ruined by technical incompetence. How to get the argument back on track? When Dunn is the yardstick for consistency, why is AEW comparatively inconsistent? It it because it's still in it's infant years or because it's lacking production talent?
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Post by Cyno on Mar 8, 2021 19:06:43 GMT -5
Kevin Dunn is not consistent lol.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 8, 2021 19:10:10 GMT -5
I agree they can fine tune some things in some areas but saying Kevin Dunn's production quality if FLAWLESS? Holy hell I've watched almost every WWE show since I've been alive, I can guarantee you that's an overstatement, to a very high degree... he has activelt ruined some matches and moments with his nauseating cuts. I could go without at least "holy hell". "Flawless" is asymptotic, one can never reach it, hence "as flawless as it gets". If he actively ruined matches by his style, then it wasn't passively ruined by technical incompetence. How to get the argument back on track? When Dunn is the yardstick for consistency, why is AEW comparatively inconsistent? It it because it's still in it's infant years or because it's lacking production talent? The holy hell wasn't really directed at you and more so the idea of Dunn being flawless, even if it was a bit hyperbolic. I would assume because they're still young. I mean technical teams and good ones can sometimes be hard to come by this is a fact. Look at how NWA Powerrr died because Lagana was forced to step down. AEW I am sure can improve and get better with time, I dont think anyone was expecting them to be perfect all around out the gate.
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Post by pinja on Mar 8, 2021 19:13:15 GMT -5
Sounds fair. Does AEW have a head of production?
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Post by Ronny Rayguns Is All Elite on Mar 8, 2021 20:14:06 GMT -5
Kevin Dunn/WWE have just been doing it way longer, if Dunn wasn't at least competent by now in shooting a Wrestling program he'd be one of the worst Directors ever.
With AEW A lot of times it seems like there's an odd pacing to the non-wrestling segments which I don't think are intentional but I actually kinda enjoy in a surreal way but then again David Lynch is my favorite director
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