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Post by markymark on Mar 12, 2021 19:02:40 GMT -5
Like I mentioned in another thread, they've been TRYING to make Scorpio into a main eventer/big deal for a long time, people just didn't care. Hobbs is young, but he's going to be something. He was immediately put into an angle with Moxley/Darby when he first made it to Dynamite before becoming part of Team Taz It sucks how Archer catching the covid destroyed Hobbs original push, he couldve been involved in the feud with the Elite.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 12, 2021 19:07:25 GMT -5
Aren’t Darby, Jungle Boy, MJF, Kip and most of Dark Order all relatively young too? Why hasn’t that affected them being featured on TV regularly or getting storylines?🤔 Dark Order is a mix of veteran talent like Stu, Grayson and Cabana and Younger Talent like Vance, Angels and Anna, Reynolds and Silver are late 20's, so it's very balanced as a whole. Kip's gotten time because he's been with Miro, but Miro's probably going to kill him soon Jungle Boy's one of the top prospects in the wrestling world MJF is already one of the best heels in wrestling period It's not really indicative of why PoC talent haven't been pushed yet, it's more some of the talent need to continue to develop, find characters that stick, and execute it, where Dark Order, Jungle Boy, and MJF already all have very over characters in wrestling. It really has nothing to do with skin tone, in wrestling you strike with what's hot. Acclaimed got a lot of spotlight too after the raps were going, and probably still would be if Bowens wasn't hurt. They're absolutely trying with Sky, his lack of character has hurt him, but the heel turn might be what he needs. Talent like Top Flight and Lee Johnson are young blue chippers who are basically still discovering themselves, Private Party are in a storyline with The Hardy Empire vs Dark Order and Kassidy and Quen have gotten plenty featured in it so idk, those guys have good character and have continues to improve in ring and I think they've gotten plenty rewarded for it and continue to. I also think Hobbs is the future ace of Team Taz. I don't see Cage sticking around or even Starks, one of them is gonna break off and then Hobbs is gonna go off, that's how I see it anyway, been the most protected member of the group, Cage took a pin from Darby, Starks took a pin from Darby and Sting, Hobbs has been building up on DARK and Dynamite and is looking great.
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Post by Cyno on Mar 12, 2021 19:29:07 GMT -5
Dark Order were also laughingstocks for their entire existence until Brodie Lee came around and they got over big on BTE. Kip Sabien was also a relative afterthought until his program with Miro started.
Jungle Boy's usage has also been the subject of a number of complaints by AEW fans, so it's not like he hasn't had his own issues with bad booking. Darby Allin also had the reputation of being a choke artist until he finally got his big win against Cody last year.
MJF is really the only one of those names mentioned that's been used consistently well since his AEW run started. He's also an exceptional talent relative to his age.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 12, 2021 19:46:49 GMT -5
Dark Order were also laughingstocks for their entire existence until Brodie Lee came around and they got over big on BTE. Kip Sabien was also a relative afterthought until his program with Miro started. Jungle Boy's usage has also been the subject of a number of complaints by AEW fans, so it's not like he hasn't had his own issues with bad booking. Darby Allin also had the reputation of being a choke artist until he finally got his big win against Cody last year. MJF is really the only one of those names mentioned that's been used consistently well since his AEW run started. He's also an exceptional talent relative to his age. AEW does have a knack for taking someone who wasn't really doing much and then just giving them a huge moment to re-establish them which is another reason I trust their booking more than most. Like Jungle Boy started out with a lot of losses, mainly because he tagged with Marko when Luchasaurus was hurt year one, but has rebounded to have classics with the likes of MJF and then this year with Dax Hardwood and such. He isn't exactly the top guy but the upside is clear like with other people mentioned here. Sabian's not exactly a main eventer and was never really primed to be, he fills his role well, and honestly had something really good going with Havoc until Havoc was forced out. Allin's whole hourney was finally beating Cody in a definitive manner and he did so and has been heavily protected since. It's really what AEW can do for wrestlers later and how they can truly build them up, and they do a great job turning things around and making you care about a talent, every week I feel like I care about someone more than the last.
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 12, 2021 19:57:04 GMT -5
It's an issue with the men's singles division especially the main event scene. But as far as diversity goes, they're well-represented in the tag and women's divisions. MJF's faction is also an anomaly in that it is all white guys. Besides them and whatever Omega's club is called, a lot of the current factions now have at least one PoC in them. Hoping something comes out of the moves made with Penta and Scorpio Sky. And TK is apparently very high on Fenix. Eddie Kingston is also someone who's been featured fairly prominently in main event programs and being with Moxley now helps put him back in that scene. Sammy is also hispanic and will probably lead the IC with Jericho likely taking time off. Both he and Cody are half-Cuban. Honestly, they've pretty regularly featured latino talent, that's not so much the issue. As far as black wrestlers of note, they've made improvements, but it's still something they're working on and openly acknowledge has been an issue brought up to them in the past. I mean, it's not like they don't have any, obviously. Nyla Rose, who is mixed, has been arguably the biggest constant in the women's division since day one. But still, it isn't where they'd like to be yet.
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Post by Cyno on Mar 12, 2021 20:07:50 GMT -5
Is Nyla Black? I thought she was 100% Native American.
Granted, indigenous representation in American pro wrestling is its own can of worms. I also think that and having people outside the typical gender binary has been one of their real strong points in terms of diversity even when they can stand to improve in others.
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Post by 4TheGlory on Mar 12, 2021 20:08:44 GMT -5
Nope
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Post by Fake Jesus on Mar 12, 2021 20:29:01 GMT -5
As I said the last time this thread was made (And it's probably different now as the roster is much larger), the AEW men's singles roster is marginally less diverse than the US as a whole. Which is like, who gives a shit? It's happenstance and they've clearly not got any issue pushing diverse talent as shown by their repeated attempts to shove Scorpio Sky down our throats. I mean the owner of the company isn't white.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Mar 12, 2021 21:09:12 GMT -5
I think they're aware of it and have consciously put effort into fixing the issue. The roster has taken such a turn in a year and now people like Top Flight, Will Hobbs, Lee, Big Swole, and so on have become bigger fixtures over the last few months.
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Post by joeiscool on Mar 12, 2021 21:25:06 GMT -5
Yes, they made diversity a selling point. This is one of few things that they have not followed through on.
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on Mar 12, 2021 21:47:57 GMT -5
Is Nyla Black? I thought she was 100% Native American. Granted, indigenous representation in American pro wrestling is its own can of worms. I also think that and having people outside the typical gender binary has been one of their real strong points in terms of diversity even when they can stand to improve in others. Nyla’s mom is black. So she’s both the first black female and first Native American champ at AEW. Technically, the first black champ is Scorpio Sky.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2021 21:51:40 GMT -5
I mean, they're regularly featuring minorities up and down the card and most of their high-profile signings for the past year have been people of color, so I'm legitimately not really sure what more they could do.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 12, 2021 23:02:25 GMT -5
Yes, they made diversity a selling point. This is one of few things that they have not followed through on. I have never once gotten that impression that they're using diversity as a selling point. They have non-white talent up and down the cards that both look like they have a bright future and are some of the most talented wrestlers in the world.
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Post by Ronny Rayguns Is All Elite on Mar 12, 2021 23:09:07 GMT -5
I'm legit curious who is currently signed/available to be signed that people believe should be in a main event position right NOW
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 12, 2021 23:15:15 GMT -5
I'm legit curious who is currently signed/available to be signed that should be in a main event position right NOW WWE ravaged the market for a long time, Impact also has a lot of the top Black Talent in the alternative scene with Swann, Moose, and Willie Mack on their roster, New Japan Strong has ACH and Lio Rush, ROH has Gresham, Strickland, Lethal None of these guys, to my knowledge, were available when AEW started up and started hunting for talent. The only one I can think of that might've been out there is Chris Bey, but he's also young and came kinda out of nowhere? Considering AEW has basically had to look pretty deep into the Indie Pool but has found a lot of different and worthwhile talent in the PoC sense, I think they've done well for themselves. I think people have to remember AEW's like less than two years old still and a lot of the talent they have signed are being looked at with a future blueprint. Patience is really gonna be a virtue here. A lot of the top talent are who they are right now, but AEW has such a stacked and diverse future outlook, that it's crazy.
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Post by 06vwgti on Mar 12, 2021 23:30:37 GMT -5
I'm legit curious who is currently signed/available to be signed that people believe should be in a main event position right NOW IMO, I think Private Party with Matt should win the tag titles. Santana and Ortiz are another whose ready too imo EDIT: Im guessing you mean the singles titles? Then I am not sure outside of either one of the Lucha Bros. Who are for sure should be in the Main Event Scene.
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Post by lucas_lee on Mar 13, 2021 1:08:17 GMT -5
Their roster is diverse but a lot of the POC talent aren't in main event feuds and are usually relegated to tag matches (not a bad thing) or jobbing. The last minority male wrestler to taste the main event was Scorpio Sky and hes been doing next to nothing the last few months prior to this. The women's division doesn't have this problem though
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Post by Dub H on Mar 13, 2021 1:12:59 GMT -5
Is Nyla Black? I thought she was 100% Native American. Granted, indigenous representation in American pro wrestling is its own can of worms. I also think that and having people outside the typical gender binary has been one of their real strong points in terms of diversity even when they can stand to improve in others. IRCC half black,half native american. regarding her presentation of native american I dig it,she is obviously proud of her culture in some of her looks but not a stereotype
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Post by lucas_lee on Mar 13, 2021 1:13:03 GMT -5
I'm legit curious who is currently signed/available to be signed that people believe should be in a main event position right NOW Calvin Tankman, Lee Moriarty, AC Mack would be a great heel, I'd say AJ Gray but he has way too much baggage, Hoodfoot, there's a ton of great African America wrestlers on the indy scene. Its AEWs job to get people to care. They got folks to care about relative unknowns in Darby and such so I dunno why people thumb their noses at taking chances on POC wrestlers.
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Post by Dub H on Mar 13, 2021 1:15:36 GMT -5
I'm legit curious who is currently signed/available to be signed that people believe should be in a main event position right NOW Calvin Tankman, Lee Moriarty, AC Mack would be a great heel, I'd say AJ Gray but he has way too much baggage, Hoodfoot, there's a ton of great African America wrestlers on the indy scene. Its AEWs job to get people to care. They got folks to care about relative unknowns in Darby and such so I dunno why people thumb their noses at taking chances on POC wrestlers. I dont thhink theya re thumbing their noses. as said before Sky was the big one and he just failed miserably Nyla Rose was an unknow and she is heavily pushed in the division.Jade and Velvet also are seemingly being groomed for a big future. So was Hobbs ,even if they are taking a slower time he seems to be a big factor for the future. And who can forget that young upcomer Rookie Shaq (kidding)
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