AEW keeps choking on violent gimmick matches

[spagett]

Mar 13, 2021 15:56:15 GMT -5 lucas_lee said:

Mar 13, 2021 6:20:49 GMT -5 toodarkmark said:

The fact you insulted the dog collar match, one of my favorite matches in wrestling history, just makes me feel this thread is way off. Hardy had a bad bump, the explosion at the end sucked. Not a pattern.

Cody versus Dustin was amazing blood and guts. Best Friends versus Santana and Ortiz street fight was amazing. Bucks versus Butcher and Blade falls count anywhere was one of my favorite matches of the year. Moxley versus Kingston I quit match was brutal and great. I don't know if Stadium Stampede falls into it, but it was a violent gimmick match that brought me utter joy.

People love their meta conversations, but AEW has had a lot more hits versus their few misses.

He or she is allowed to have an opinion different than yours dude. And I massively disagree with the OP. You always get super defensive about AEW man, you can't just attack someone over having a negative opinion of AEW (besides obvious trolls) it scares off good conversation and debate.

I don't think he/she/they was rude though in disagreeing with the OP.

It just read as the poster explaining why they disagreed.

No way at all was it an "attack"

[Cyno]

Mar 13, 2021 15:56:15 GMT -5 lucas_lee said:

Mar 13, 2021 6:20:49 GMT -5 toodarkmark said:

The fact you insulted the dog collar match, one of my favorite matches in wrestling history, just makes me feel this thread is way off. Hardy had a bad bump, the explosion at the end sucked. Not a pattern.

Cody versus Dustin was amazing blood and guts. Best Friends versus Santana and Ortiz street fight was amazing. Bucks versus Butcher and Blade falls count anywhere was one of my favorite matches of the year. Moxley versus Kingston I quit match was brutal and great. I don't know if Stadium Stampede falls into it, but it was a violent gimmick match that brought me utter joy.

People love their meta conversations, but AEW has had a lot more hits versus their few misses.

He or she is allowed to have an opinion different than yours dude. And I massively disagree with the OP. You always get super defensive about AEW man, you can't just attack someone over having a negative opinion of AEW (besides obvious trolls) it scares off good conversation and debate.

It's a strong disagreement but I wouldn't call it an outright attack. If anything, your post is more rude than his.

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

Mar 13, 2021 15:56:15 GMT -5 lucas_lee said:

Mar 13, 2021 6:20:49 GMT -5 toodarkmark said:

The fact you insulted the dog collar match, one of my favorite matches in wrestling history, just makes me feel this thread is way off. Hardy had a bad bump, the explosion at the end sucked. Not a pattern.

Cody versus Dustin was amazing blood and guts. Best Friends versus Santana and Ortiz street fight was amazing. Bucks versus Butcher and Blade falls count anywhere was one of my favorite matches of the year. Moxley versus Kingston I quit match was brutal and great. I don't know if Stadium Stampede falls into it, but it was a violent gimmick match that brought me utter joy.

People love their meta conversations, but AEW has had a lot more hits versus their few misses.

He or she is allowed to have an opinion different than yours dude. And I massively disagree with the OP. You always get super defensive about AEW man, you can't just attack someone over having a negative opinion of AEW (besides obvious trolls) it scares off good conversation and debate.

I don't think anything about mark's post said Sonov couldn't have their opinion, just that they vehemently disagreed and why. This wasn't an "attack", several posters made the exact same level of post as mark in this thread.

Considering you made a similar post to me in another thread in the WWE Board, I think you're the one kind of getting defensive about certain topics and expression here. If they had said something like "You saying the dog collar match was wrong makes you a terrible person" I'd agree with you here, but their post was "I can't agree with you because I loved the dog collar match"... that's it. That shouldn't scare anyone off... it's all opinions and discussion. 

If we start getting to the point we're policing opinions or topics of discussion because people might get their feelings hurt, then we're gonna be taking it a step too far and THAT would chase people off this forum before what you said would. Plenty of people disagree with takes I make here and there, it's just how the forum works bud, agree to disagree, discuss, that's what we do.

[HMARK Center]

Mar 13, 2021 17:23:19 GMT -5 Cyno said:

Mar 13, 2021 15:56:15 GMT -5 lucas_lee said:

He or she is allowed to have an opinion different than yours dude. And I massively disagree with the OP. You always get super defensive about AEW man, you can't just attack someone over having a negative opinion of AEW (besides obvious trolls) it scares off good conversation and debate.

It's a strong disagreement but I wouldn't call it an outright attack. If anything, your post is more rude than his.

It's definitely true, though, that some of us here get uber defensive when discussing AEW, and we need to scale back on that.

I acknowledge there's been a bit of an influx of posts that seem unnecessarily nitpicky about AEW of late, but the general tone around here could stand to chill a few degrees.

[The Ichi]

Mar 13, 2021 20:16:00 GMT -5 HMARK Center said:

Mar 13, 2021 17:23:19 GMT -5 Cyno said:

It's a strong disagreement but I wouldn't call it an outright attack. If anything, your post is more rude than his.

It's definitely true, though, that some of us here get uber defensive when discussing AEW, and we need to scale back on that.

I acknowledge there's been a bit of an influx of posts that seem unnecessarily nitpicky about AEW of late, but the general tone around here could stand to chill a few degrees.

Yeah, I love about 95% of AEW right now, but outside of some complaints that are too ridiculous not to challenge (mainly Cody/HHH comparisons), I do feel there's sometimes a bit too much of an "Ackchyully" vibe when even the slightest complaint is made to the point where it's coming off as a bit police-y.

[Instant Classic]

Even before the dud explosion Mox vs Omega wasn’t even that great to begin with.

[lucas_lee]

Mar 13, 2021 17:23:19 GMT -5 Cyno said:

Mar 13, 2021 15:56:15 GMT -5 lucas_lee said:

He or she is allowed to have an opinion different than yours dude. And I massively disagree with the OP. You always get super defensive about AEW man, you can't just attack someone over having a negative opinion of AEW (besides obvious trolls) it scares off good conversation and debate.

It's a strong disagreement but I wouldn't call it an outright attack. If anything, your post is more rude than his.

That first part of his post was pretty messed up IMO and its not the first time he's done it too. I understand that everyone loves AEW, I love AEW, but we can't turn this into the WWE board where everyone is hating on opinions. I kinda wanted everyone to be open for discussions instead of shouting down people that have criticisms

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Honestly I'm not sure anything sours me on AEW more than how you can't really seem to say much of anything negative about it without people bombarding you with asking why you hate everything or telling you why actually there's nothing wrong with anything ever. I enjoy the shows much more than I don't most of the time but how often people treat any criticism of it like a personal attack a lot of the time just makes me way more annoyed with the whole thing than I would be otherwise.

[lucas_lee]

Mar 13, 2021 22:56:48 GMT -5 Lizuka #BLM said:

Honestly I'm not sure anything sours me on AEW more than hour you can't really seem to say much of anything about it without people bombarding you with asking why you hate everything or telling you why actually there's nothing wrong with anything ever. I enjoy the shows much more than I don't most of the time but how often people treat any criticism of it like a personal attack a lot of the time just makes me way annoyed with the whole thing than I would be otherwise.

Exactly my point and its usually the same suspects too. It paints us wrestling fans as a bunch of tribalism and I dont want that. We re all fans of this goofy hobby and it should unite us not divide

[Dub H]

Mar 13, 2021 20:16:00 GMT -5 HMARK Center said:

Mar 13, 2021 17:23:19 GMT -5 Cyno said:

It's a strong disagreement but I wouldn't call it an outright attack. If anything, your post is more rude than his.

It's definitely true, though, that some of us here get uber defensive when discussing AEW, and we need to scale back on that.

I acknowledge there's been a bit of an influx of posts that seem unnecessarily nitpicky about AEW of late, but the general tone around here could stand to chill a few degrees.

Are we saying we HAVE to make cold theme puns? Sight if you insist I guess I have to.

There snow way to avoid it.

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

Mar 13, 2021 22:59:26 GMT -5 lucas_lee said:

Mar 13, 2021 22:56:48 GMT -5 Lizuka #BLM said:

Honestly I'm not sure anything sours me on AEW more than hour you can't really seem to say much of anything about it without people bombarding you with asking why you hate everything or telling you why actually there's nothing wrong with anything ever. I enjoy the shows much more than I don't most of the time but how often people treat any criticism of it like a personal attack a lot of the time just makes me way annoyed with the whole thing than I would be otherwise.

Exactly my point and its usually the same suspects too. It paints us wrestling fans as a bunch of tribalism and I dont want that. We re all fans of this goofy hobby and it should unite us not divide

If I have a different opinion than someone when it comes to AEW I just want to throw it into the pile and give my perspective. So I hope I never annoy people too badly, I'm really just trying to give my two cents and provide discussion. I think some things can be nitpicky or overblown sure, but people are free to their thoughts and their opinions, it's what we do as wrestling fans, we love our takes. 

[lucas_lee]

Mar 14, 2021 3:48:39 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

Mar 13, 2021 22:59:26 GMT -5 lucas_lee said:

Exactly my point and its usually the same suspects too. It paints us wrestling fans as a bunch of tribalism and I dont want that. We re all fans of this goofy hobby and it should unite us not divide

If I have a different opinion than someone when it comes to AEW I just want to throw it into the pile and give my perspective. So I hope I never annoy people too badly, I'm really just trying to give my two cents and provide discussion. I think some things can be nitpicky or overblown sure, but people are free to their thoughts and their opinions, it's what we do as wrestling fans, we love our takes. 

I think the issue is criticisms is seen as nitpicking, thats issue one. Most of the critiques I've seen here is legit, there was the one troll that was stirring up stuff last week. I think we shouldn't be so dismissive towards critiques. It feels like a lot of people pile on when someone has criticism and silences their voice. Basically badgering someone to agree which isn't what should happen

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

Mar 14, 2021 8:58:55 GMT -5 lucas_lee said:

Mar 14, 2021 3:48:39 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

If I have a different opinion than someone when it comes to AEW I just want to throw it into the pile and give my perspective. So I hope I never annoy people too badly, I'm really just trying to give my two cents and provide discussion. I think some things can be nitpicky or overblown sure, but people are free to their thoughts and their opinions, it's what we do as wrestling fans, we love our takes. 

I think the issue is criticisms is seen as nitpicking, thats issue one. Most of the critiques I've seen here is legit, there was the one troll that was stirring up stuff last week. I think we shouldn't be so dismissive towards critiques. It feels like a lot of people pile on when someone has criticism and silences their voice. Basically badgering someone to agree which isn't what should happen

I don't think anyone is badgering people to agree. I mean if I throw something out there peeps dont agree with it's whatever, but it's a wrestling forum. If you're gonna throw takes out there it's gonna be hard for everyone to always agree. As seen here a lot of people loved the Dog Collar Match, and that's ok, and it's ok for Sonov to not have been a fan, but I mean how is Sonov going to know unless they throw it out there? If people don't agree they are probably going to say so and why, it's the same thing if Sonov disagrees and just doesn't like the match. There are plenty of ebbs and flows in threads like that.

Now I do agree that I don't want it to be coming off like people are defensive and you can't say anything bad about AEW, I just think the last week's been a bit tense due to trolls and such, but luckily that seems to have calmed down. Bottom line is to me I don't think there's anything wrong with dscussion so long as it doesn't come off that you MUST agree with an opinion. I don't really get that anywhere in this thread especially. And I hope that it doesn't happen here or any part of the forum on a consistent basis, we're a very chill community here.

[polarbearpete]

Mar 14, 2021 9:05:05 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

Mar 14, 2021 8:58:55 GMT -5 lucas_lee said:

I think the issue is criticisms is seen as nitpicking, thats issue one. Most of the critiques I've seen here is legit, there was the one troll that was stirring up stuff last week. I think we shouldn't be so dismissive towards critiques. It feels like a lot of people pile on when someone has criticism and silences their voice. Basically badgering someone to agree which isn't what should happen

I don't think anyone is badgering people to agree. I mean if I throw something out there peeps dont agree with it's whatever, but it's a wrestling forum. If you're gonna throw takes out there it's gonna be hard for everyone to always agree. As seen here a lot of people loved the Dog Collar Match, and that's ok, and it's ok for Sonov to not have been a fan, but I mean how is Sonov going to know unless they throw it out there? If people don't agree they are probably going to say so and why, it's the same thing if Sonov disagrees and just doesn't like the match. There are plenty of ebbs and flows in threads like that.

Now I do agree that I don't want it to be coming off like people are defensive and you can't say anything bad about AEW, I just think the last week's been a bit tense due to trolls and such, but luckily that seems to have calmed down. Bottom line is to me I don't think there's anything wrong with dscussion so long as it doesn't come off that you MUST agree with an opinion. I don't really get that anywhere in this thread especially. And I hope that it doesn't happen here or any part of the forum on a consistent basis, we're a very chill community here.

Coming off like you “must agree with an opinion” is a bit of an ironic statement, given some of your posts. There was just a post in the diversity thread where there is a cliff notes version of what we can take away from the thread and every point made shined a positive light on AEW.

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

Mar 14, 2021 9:19:31 GMT -5 polarbearpete said:

Mar 14, 2021 9:05:05 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

I don't think anyone is badgering people to agree. I mean if I throw something out there peeps dont agree with it's whatever, but it's a wrestling forum. If you're gonna throw takes out there it's gonna be hard for everyone to always agree. As seen here a lot of people loved the Dog Collar Match, and that's ok, and it's ok for Sonov to not have been a fan, but I mean how is Sonov going to know unless they throw it out there? If people don't agree they are probably going to say so and why, it's the same thing if Sonov disagrees and just doesn't like the match. There are plenty of ebbs and flows in threads like that.

Now I do agree that I don't want it to be coming off like people are defensive and you can't say anything bad about AEW, I just think the last week's been a bit tense due to trolls and such, but luckily that seems to have calmed down. Bottom line is to me I don't think there's anything wrong with dscussion so long as it doesn't come off that you MUST agree with an opinion. I don't really get that anywhere in this thread especially. And I hope that it doesn't happen here or any part of the forum on a consistent basis, we're a very chill community here.

Coming off like you “must agree with an opinion” is a bit of an ironic statement, given some of your posts. There was just a post in the diversity thread where there is a cliff notes version of what we can take away from the thread and every point made shined a positive light on AEW.

Was more meant to say they had gotten better but still need to do better and that's what I'm hoping they do? I was more trying to be optimistic than trying to say people had to be or agree with me. Seeing the points being brought up over a few pages and giving some thoughts on how I was seeing it. Perhaps saying it was cliffnotes was too forceful? I will edit it to be less so.

[Deleted]

If people have problems with each other about how they post, take it to pm and stop using these threads to passive-aggressively snipe at each other.

Instead of telling people how to post, just focus on yourself. I can assure you that, if this nonsense continues and people in the AEW forum can't get along, they'll be told not to post in it anymore and it will be enforced.

[HMARK Center]

Yes, ultimately this comes down to all of us making a commitment to worry about ourselves and our own behaviors/how we present ourselves, first and foremost, and to allow the system to work here when we’ve got cases of bad faith posters.

Again, I’ve certainly recognized an unfortunate tick up around here with people coming into the AEW section to complain about things; I went so far as to express outright disappointment with the way many failed to comport themselves in the Revolution live thread, where some seemed to make it their mission to turn what was a strong, fun show into an exercise in misery for others.

But if/when such things happen, have some faith in the mods to handle things. Don’t get riled up, don’t twist yourself into a pretzel, just be straightforward and honest, and save any snark or passive-aggressiveness for some other place and time.

[Dub H]

Mar 14, 2021 10:35:49 GMT -5 HMARK Center said:

Yes, ultimately this comes down to all of us making a commitment to worry about ourselves and our own behaviors/how we present ourselves, first and foremost, and to allow the system to work here when we’ve got cases of bad faith posters.

Again, I’ve certainly recognized an unfortunate tick up around here with people coming into the AEW section to complain about things; I went so far as to express outright disappointment with the way many failed to comport themselves in the Revolution live thread, where some seemed to make it their mission to turn what was a strong, fun show into an exercise in misery for others.

But if/when such things happen, have some faith in the mods to handle things. Don’t get riled up, don’t twist yourself into a pretzel, just be straightforward and honest, and save any snark or passive-aggressiveness for some other place and time.

This isnt a shot at the mods so dont take it as such but it really shows at times we need a mod or so to speak up more often when it coms to squabbles or throws.

Surprisingly of all things ,most of those times were because od Christian in the live thread

[toodarkmark]

I respect the mods here way too much to get into a flame war. So I'll just quite Notorious BIG and say "I went from negative to positive, and it's still all good."

I have found that there are certain posters who only want to post negative comments, and I find my user experience much better after blocking them. The world is just such a painful place right now, that I find being a fan of things much easier then being a critic.

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I mean, I can't in good conscience say that the finish to the Mox/Omega exploding barbed wire whatever match was anything less than a wet fart. As I said in another thread, Tony Khan better pad out Eddie Kingston's paycheck with an extra zero or two for salvaging it.

That all being said:

-Dog Collar Match: Good. Not great, but good. I'm hesitant to even say much bad about it knowing what we all know now about Brodie's health at the time.

-Parking lot brawl: Absolutely fantastic from top to bottom

-Stadium Stampede: I would have preferred blood n' guts, but we all know why that didn't happen. It was fine for what it was, actually, it was great for what it was, and I honestly enjoyed the absurdity of it

-Cage Match (Wardlow/Cody): Told a good story, return to form style of cage match

-Lights Out match (Mox/Omega: Lived up to expectations, and I think jaded some future expectations for the match we got last Sunday

So that's 5 matches that I thought off of the top of my head that most, not all, but most would say range from good to fantastic. That, in my opinion, does not equate to choking, although they really need to mind their P's and Q's after the Revolution kerfluffle. They got lucky by having an Eddie Kingston saving throw.