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Post by kingoftheindies on Jun 13, 2021 15:53:29 GMT -5
The last 4-5 years really brought forward some people’s true prejudices they felt they had to repress before. It’s f***ing weird. I agree, but there's some more complicated elements to it than that. Some people definitely see an opportunity to be the bigots they always wanted to be and openly express what they've felt unable to say. But there's also completely normal people who I have watched with my own eyes turn into things that they definitely never were because they fell in with influences who completely rotted them from the inside out. To go from 'the guy everyone wants around' to 'the guy who stormed out because he said everybody is welcome in the locker room regardless of race, gender, or religion' is more than just someone feeling free to take their mask of. That's someone damaged emotionally by the people and beliefs they have surrounded themselves with until they are no longer who they were. Well said to stay away from too many details but extremists from all sides have come out in the last several years
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Post by Terry McConkey on Jun 13, 2021 17:17:53 GMT -5
I agree, but there's some more complicated elements to it than that. Some people definitely see an opportunity to be the bigots they always wanted to be and openly express what they've felt unable to say. But there's also completely normal people who I have watched with my own eyes turn into things that they definitely never were because they fell in with influences who completely rotted them from the inside out. To go from 'the guy everyone wants around' to 'the guy who stormed out because he said everybody is welcome in the locker room regardless of race, gender, or religion' is more than just someone feeling free to take their mask of. That's someone damaged emotionally by the people and beliefs they have surrounded themselves with until they are no longer who they were. Well said to stay away from too many details but extremists from all sides have come out in the last several years I really don't like the "all sides" argument because it excuses the side that is the loudest and most violent at the moment. I've said all that I feel I need to say.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jun 13, 2021 17:36:43 GMT -5
I agree, but there's some more complicated elements to it than that. Some people definitely see an opportunity to be the bigots they always wanted to be and openly express what they've felt unable to say. But there's also completely normal people who I have watched with my own eyes turn into things that they definitely never were because they fell in with influences who completely rotted them from the inside out. To go from 'the guy everyone wants around' to 'the guy who stormed out because he said everybody is welcome in the locker room regardless of race, gender, or religion' is more than just someone feeling free to take their mask of. That's someone damaged emotionally by the people and beliefs they have surrounded themselves with until they are no longer who they were. Well said to stay away from too many details but extremists from all sides have come out in the last several years Due to rules I can't elaborate any furhter than this, but: no
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Post by Andee9001 on Jun 13, 2021 17:37:04 GMT -5
The last 4-5 years really brought forward some people’s true prejudices they felt they had to repress before. It’s f***ing weird. I agree, but there's some more complicated elements to it than that. Some people definitely see an opportunity to be the bigots they always wanted to be and openly express what they've felt unable to say. But there's also completely normal people who I have watched with my own eyes turn into things that they definitely never were because they fell in with influences who completely rotted them from the inside out. To go from 'the guy everyone wants around' to 'the guy who stormed out because he said everybody is welcome in the locker room regardless of race, gender, or religion' is more than just someone feeling free to take their mask of. That's someone damaged emotionally by the people and beliefs they have surrounded themselves with until they are no longer who they were. Are we sure that Drake hasn't gotten some kind of CTE? Sounds like he has had a complete change in personality over the years which can be a symptom. Especially with all the deathmatch stuff.
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Post by Jacy Jayne Atomic Dog AMV on Jun 13, 2021 18:19:29 GMT -5
I hate how much his list of real men popped me just cause of how many of them were JCW guys
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Jun 13, 2021 18:24:10 GMT -5
Bumping this thread because who in their right mind thought 2021 would bring a face turn from longtime POS Ian Rotten? Language warning in the comments. He’s still a POS, but even a broken clock is right twice a day.
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Post by avenger on Jun 13, 2021 19:18:23 GMT -5
I agree, but there's some more complicated elements to it than that. Some people definitely see an opportunity to be the bigots they always wanted to be and openly express what they've felt unable to say. But there's also completely normal people who I have watched with my own eyes turn into things that they definitely never were because they fell in with influences who completely rotted them from the inside out. To go from 'the guy everyone wants around' to 'the guy who stormed out because he said everybody is welcome in the locker room regardless of race, gender, or religion' is more than just someone feeling free to take their mask of. That's someone damaged emotionally by the people and beliefs they have surrounded themselves with until they are no longer who they were. Are we sure that Drake hasn't gotten some kind of CTE? Sounds like he has had a complete change in personality over the years which can be a symptom. Especially with all the deathmatch stuff. Drake's had drug abuse issues, and extremists have a tendency to target recovering addicts, because the extremists view them as vulnerable and easier to brainwash.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jun 13, 2021 20:46:00 GMT -5
Are we sure that Drake hasn't gotten some kind of CTE? Sounds like he has had a complete change in personality over the years which can be a symptom. Especially with all the deathmatch stuff. Drake's had drug abuse issues, and extremists have a tendency to target recovering addicts, because the extremists view them as vulnerable and easier to brainwash. A lot of addiction counselling is also very religion-based and people who overcome their demons will very commonly reaffirm and reinvest in their faith. Which is oftentimes a totally fine thing that helps a lot of people work through their demons or have a moral throughline that helps them right the wrongs they have committed. But Drake's made a lot of comments tying his religion into his fanatical beliefs and casting the things he talks about as some kind of holy war, while palling around with a rapist because he quotes scripture on his Facebook. There are a lot of things about Drake that made him a target to get pilled the ways he's been, and they have set him up to become a very different and very vile person.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Jun 13, 2021 20:59:14 GMT -5
I don’t know if I fully buy the idea that people are being corrupted to become what they are.
For a lot of folks, it’s always been there. It’s just that there’s been a lot of things that have enabled them to tap into that side of themselves.
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Post by jason1980s on Jun 13, 2021 21:08:28 GMT -5
It's probably been mentioned before but I really do see Drake turning into a Benoit family tragedy with multiple other people involved. The man is way past the point of no return for his words or actions. He also probably has a strong network of similarly nutcase people encouraging him and with his small amount of fame they probably see him as the local hero of their causes which will boost his confidence even more and he will feel the need to live up to that respect he gets from them in a very bad way.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jun 13, 2021 21:09:56 GMT -5
I don’t know if I fully buy the idea that people are being corrupted to become what they are. For a lot of folks, it’s always been there. It’s just that there’s been a lot of things that have enabled them to tap into that side of themselves. For a lot of people, it totally has. But there's also a lot of cases and accounts of people who are watching their parents or partners morph into something they never were. It's complicated. My belief with Drake comes from him having at once been such a likable guy, and now it's not "He's a likable guy if you ignore the stuff", he's just actually become an unbearable beast nobody who isn't like him wants to be around
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Post by chazraps on Jun 19, 2021 22:46:25 GMT -5
Drake just posted a photo on social media with the MyPillow guy.
He's getting worse/Wuertz!
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 19, 2021 22:54:59 GMT -5
Drake just posted a photo on social media with the MyPillow guy. He's getting worse/Wuertz! Can I rewind back time to go back to Mania and throw my Tequila bottle at him
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jun 19, 2021 23:01:23 GMT -5
Why am I still having to hear about this shitstain?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2021 23:30:31 GMT -5
Drake just posted a photo on social media with the MyPillow guy. He's getting worse/Wuertz! Something's gone very wrong if in the list of people you've interacted with in the last two weeks you're one degree of separation from Alex Jones.
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Post by Terry McConkey on Jun 20, 2021 0:22:38 GMT -5
Drake just posted a photo on social media with the MyPillow guy. He's getting worse/Wuertz! Something's gone very wrong if in the list of people you've interacted with in the last two weeks you're one degree of separation from Alex Jones. I believe there's an active petition against Jones.
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Jun 20, 2021 0:49:07 GMT -5
Looking at that list I find it almost hilarious some of the people he saw fit to include as a way to glorify this "old school indy" mentality.
Most of the people he mentioned never went anywhere in the business, but there's a few people I want to specifically address.
Necro Butcher, who from all accounts is one of the most highly intelligent, friendly and most accepting people in wrestling is the ultimate refutation to his mindset. In fact I'm almost 100% certain that if he didn't have much bigger things to worry about right now would almost certainly take Ian Rotten't side on this.
JC Baily, whose body was utterly destroyed by this stupid mindset, which ultimately took his life.
Low Ki, who burned every bridge in the business by being a douche bag to the point he can only find work in MLW, which is basically the last refuge for wrestlers who have nuked all other bridges.
And Eddie Kingston who in addition to being surprisingly progressive compared to what you'd expect, it was only after leaving that idiotic toxic mindset behind he was able to go anywhere.
It's great to have that mindset, until it costs you thousands of dollars if not your life.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2021 1:30:21 GMT -5
Why am I still having to hear about this shitstain? I want to ignore him, but I always have to check the thread when it gets bumped.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Jun 20, 2021 1:59:25 GMT -5
Necro Butcher, who from all accounts is one of the most highly intelligent, friendly and most accepting people in wrestling is the ultimate refutation to his mindset. In fact I'm almost 100% certain that if he didn't have much bigger things to worry about right now would almost certainly take Ian Rotten't side on this. I hate to say it, but Necro Butcher is also going down this path as well. Now, I don't know if he's going to the extremes that Drake is, but these two are definitely on each other's Christmas card list.
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Post by chazraps on Jun 20, 2021 2:07:15 GMT -5
Necro Butcher, who from all accounts is one of the most highly intelligent, friendly and most accepting people in wrestling is the ultimate refutation to his mindset. In fact I'm almost 100% certain that if he didn't have much bigger things to worry about right now would almost certainly take Ian Rotten't side on this. Dude, I hate to be the one to tell you, but it's going to break your heart the next time you Google him. He's a far cry from the Kuscinich-shirt wearing guy of 2009.
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