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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2021 13:49:14 GMT -5
AEW may as well just take Penta into whatever experimental direction they can come up with because this constant attempt to try and channel his LU energy is not working IMO because AEW is not built to let him do that to the full extent it needs to.
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Post by Dub H on Mar 18, 2021 14:00:13 GMT -5
AEW may as well just take Penta into whatever experimental direction they can come up with because this constant attempt to try and channel his LU energy is not working IMO because AEW is not built to let him do that to the full extent it needs to. But they are not. Short of using the armbreaker as a move Penta in AEW is not booked in any way similar to LU Penta.Even the character is different , LU Penta was much more hardcore and bloodthirsty where AEW penta is much more about the swagger and showing off. The only similarity is that both enjoy causing pain but LU Penta enjoyed it MUCH more
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Post by Chiral on Mar 18, 2021 14:06:07 GMT -5
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Mar 18, 2021 14:29:54 GMT -5
Its weird how Pentas booking has been different compared to Fenix. Fenix is a workrate guy who can succeed by having the same style of matches that Omega and the Bucks do. Penta is his own thing, and there's really no one in US wrestling quite like him, which is why he felt so fresh and exciting on Lucha Underground but also why booking him to his strengths on a more conventional wrestling show like AEW is more complicated, because there's no easily-defined slot to slide him into. Watching Penta on Dynamite right now feels like watching 2008 CM Punk on RAW.
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Post by Dub H on Mar 18, 2021 15:01:42 GMT -5
Its weird how Pentas booking has been different compared to Fenix. Fenix is a workrate guy who can succeed by having the same style of matches that Omega and the Bucks do. Penta is his own thing, and there's really no one in US wrestling quite like him, which is why he felt so fresh and exciting on Lucha Underground but also why booking him to his strengths on a more conventional wrestling show like AEW is more complicated, because there's no easily-defined slot to slide him into. Watching Penta on Dynamite right now feels like watching 2008 CM Punk on RAW. Thats not a bad comparison. I feel like if they book this right it could be CM Punk finally showing off how good is on SD! 2009 Until last week Penta was just Fenix Brother too, he is finally getting a single's chance. I will still say he should have turned heel on Fenix.
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Post by Celgress on Mar 18, 2021 15:34:51 GMT -5
I'll believe it when I see it. No one comes out of a feud looking stronger than Cody even "winners" like Darby lose the majority of encounters clean then pull off a lucky win after which Super Cody moves on while claiming he never truly lost. Broadie was the only exception. Jericho,MJF ,Brodie(since you dont wanna county Darby,which Cody also had a lucky win against) all came off looking better than Cody.He also put Stark on AEW's map(I would say Eddie but Eddie would have gotten in against anyone). I do think we have had enough "gotcha" endings from him. And funny enough he did sell the arm when pinning Penta, but maybe should have used a roll up that didnt use the arm at all. Whatever you believe. We are obviously watching different shows because the only people who benefit from interactions with Super Cody are those who have moved on in my book.
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Post by The Ichi on Mar 18, 2021 15:40:16 GMT -5
Cody needed the win. Change my mind.
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Post by Dub H on Mar 18, 2021 16:01:07 GMT -5
Jericho,MJF ,Brodie(since you dont wanna county Darby,which Cody also had a lucky win against) all came off looking better than Cody.He also put Stark on AEW's map(I would say Eddie but Eddie would have gotten in against anyone). I do think we have had enough "gotcha" endings from him. And funny enough he did sell the arm when pinning Penta, but maybe should have used a roll up that didnt use the arm at all. Whatever you believe. We are obviously watching different shows because the only people who benefit from interactions with Super Cody are those who have moved on in my book. To say that MJF didnt estabilish as a big time heel but screwing Rhodes and making his life a living hell is a straight up lie. There is an argument made that he could lose clean more often(hell even win clean more often). It just seems that most time his big matches needs to end in some extra way to try and protect everyone,win or lose. Which is fine once in a while,but he does it too much.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 18, 2021 16:32:24 GMT -5
I really do think Penta's gonna be ok, because the last few weeks finally feels like they've found a way to present him that works. Having Alex as a translator not only gets him over the hump of any language barrier but Alex himself is selling the role perfectly.
In AEW a few losses have not proven to kill a career and that's been to the betterment of the booking. Things lead somewhere and I feel the same will be said for Penta when alls said and done. He's just too good, and while AEW's main card is stacked, I feel he'll break into it this year.
Cody works with people with intent to make them better or give them a spotlight, or he wouldn't have had a 12 minute match with Peter Avalon on Television.
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Post by The Ichi on Mar 18, 2021 18:24:48 GMT -5
I think if you main evented Penta now, he'd be lost in the shuffle of Moxley/Omega/Kingston/Page(?). Better to wait a bit and do it right than rush it and fail. His (and Fenix's) time will come.
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Post by Blade on Mar 18, 2021 20:16:38 GMT -5
Honestly, while Penta's got a fabulous look, and the gimmick of his promos being half him and half smarmy translator works really well, his excessive posing during matches makes him look... dumb. Like, in the ladder match, he stopped to pose after virtually every move, which is beyond stupid given the structure of the match demands quickly seizing chances to win. It's also strange how nobody on commentary calls him out on it when he repeatedly loses advantage in matches due to excessive posing.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2021 20:19:12 GMT -5
Honestly, while Penta's got a fabulous look, and the gimmick of his promos being half him and half smarmy translator works really well, his excessive posing during matches makes him look... dumb. Like, in the ladder match, he stopped to pose after virtually every move, which is beyond stupid given the structure of the match demands quickly seizing chances to win. It's also strange how nobody on commentary calls him out on it when he repeatedly loses advantage in matches due to excessive posing. Probably the most annoying thing about him idk why he keeps doin like this is a capcom vs game and he just has to be Dan Hibiki.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 18, 2021 20:36:49 GMT -5
Honestly, while Penta's got a fabulous look, and the gimmick of his promos being half him and half smarmy translator works really well, his excessive posing during matches makes him look... dumb. Like, in the ladder match, he stopped to pose after virtually every move, which is beyond stupid given the structure of the match demands quickly seizing chances to win. It's also strange how nobody on commentary calls him out on it when he repeatedly loses advantage in matches due to excessive posing. It was actively how he lost the Cody match so it's not like they aren't playing off it Penta has two gears, he showboats a lot because he thinks he's hot shit, and he is, and he can back it up, but he gets in his own head that he's already the best and can do whatever he wants. When he turns that off, and brutalizes someone, he truly shows his worth and talent. Fenix beat him in the Wold Title Tourney, and in the rematch Penta absolutely destroyed him by the end of it. Penta's CERO MIEDO is always going to be a thing of his, but there have been narratives already planted that Penta's own worst enemy is Penta, which I think can work well going forward.
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Post by Oak: Certified Jade Hater on Mar 18, 2021 21:04:26 GMT -5
Cody needed the win. Change my mind. Cody Rhodes. The man who was pinned only three times last year. First and two time TNT Champion. The man who got the highlight match against Shaq. Arguably the most protected man in AEW, if not North America. That Cody Rhodes. He needed the win. I gotta know how.
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Post by The Ichi on Mar 18, 2021 22:00:10 GMT -5
Cody needed the win. Change my mind. Cody Rhodes. The man who was pinned only three times last year. First and two time TNT Champion. The man who got the highlight match against Shaq. Arguably the most protected man in AEW, if not North America. That Cody Rhodes. He needed the win. I gotta know how. He loses more feuds than he wins (despite popular belief), he lost the last two previous matches; one against a retired Basketball player and a girl in her debut match, and Penta talked shit about his unborn Daughter. That's how. He also won by fluke and Penta is likely winning the rematch if there is one.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 18, 2021 22:04:13 GMT -5
I'd rather Cody take an L to a potential world champion than lazy ass Shaq
He did business for the publicity and that should be used to elevate Pentagon
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 18, 2021 22:13:09 GMT -5
I'd rather Cody take an L to a potential world champion than lazy ass Shaq He did business for the publicity and that should be used to elevate Pentagon I still think if it's played right, the feud beginning with Penta losing is going to help him way more than if he just won because you want a good story narrative that Penta beat himself, because he basically did. Penta when he's focused is one of the nastiest men in wrestling. Between that and and the seeming fraction happening within Cody's own Nightmare Family, I can see Cody's entire world crumbling around him until he is finally taken out to see his baby born. So if that's the case, best for Cody to win now, so there's something to destroy.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 18, 2021 22:24:50 GMT -5
I'd rather Cody take an L to a potential world champion than lazy ass Shaq He did business for the publicity and that should be used to elevate Pentagon I still think if it's played right, the feud beginning with Penta losing is going to help him way more than if he just won because you want a good story narrative that Penta beat himself, because he basically did. Penta when he's focused is one of the nastiest men in wrestling. Between that and and the seeming fraction happening within Cody's own Nightmare Family, I can see Cody's entire world crumbling around him until he is finally taken out to see his baby born. So if that's the case, best for Cody to win now, so there's something to destroy. Only if that is the story We somewhat thought we see the same when Jake Roberts called him out for his hubris and Cody came out on top with that. I thought Pentagon will be as aimless as Archer was but he needs to win this feud
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Post by Celgress on Mar 18, 2021 22:49:35 GMT -5
Whatever you believe. We are obviously watching different shows because the only people who benefit from interactions with Super Cody are those who have moved on in my book. To say that MJF didnt estabilish as a big time heel but screwing Rhodes and making his life a living hell is a straight up lie..... MJF was the last good feud Cody had IMHO perhaps his only good feud during his AEW run. Cody reminds me of c.2000 WCW JJ as both are presented as much bigger deals than they truly are or deserve to be.
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Post by The Ichi on Mar 19, 2021 0:50:42 GMT -5
Let's notttt do the sodding JJ comparisons again.
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