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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 19, 2021 1:13:53 GMT -5
Let's notttt do the sodding JJ comparisons again. The "Cody reminds me of old Jeff Jarrett" shit is driving me crazy. Did these people WATCH what Jarrett did in WCW and TNA?? And when it comes to talent and what a talent's ceiling is? Cody has Jarrett beat in spades imo. Cody Rhodes is someone who not only was one of the most over people with large live crowds when he was performing, but he has actual star presence and a look to match, or TNT wouldn't be using him for legitimate business crossovers. The entire meme about Jarrett is that he "Never drew a dime". Cody has at this point drawn several dimes, quarters if you will!
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Post by mattyy on Mar 19, 2021 3:33:51 GMT -5
You know who Cody reminds me of? Mike Quackenbush. I'm not talking about the Quack that we know now. I'm talking 2007-2013 Quackenbush. Like we know You're an EVP/Owner of CHIKARA. To me, I knew Quack was a decent wrestlers(honestly I find him to be a little overrated), but like I really only cared about his matches when I was at the live shows. He just came off as bland. Cody, while I really liked the MJF feud, match against Jericho and mini feud with Brodie... I really haven't cared much outside of that. Like the Spears feud I only cared about when I was in the building at All Out. His feud with Archer was pretty meh. It's like how most of Quack's angles in CHIKARA I didn't care about.
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Post by Derk! on Mar 19, 2021 3:39:38 GMT -5
While not on his level, Cody's current direction reminds me of Cena's staleness in the early 2010's. For a young company like AEW, that's not a good thing.
That being said, I am fan of Cody as a wrestler, just not how he's being used.
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Post by Celgress on Mar 19, 2021 9:50:23 GMT -5
Let's notttt do the sodding JJ comparisons again. The "Cody reminds me of old Jeff Jarrett" shit is driving me crazy. Did these people WATCH what Jarrett did in WCW and TNA?? And when it comes to talent and what a talent's ceiling is? Cody has Jarrett beat in spades imo. Cody Rhodes is someone who not only was one of the most over people with large live crowds when he was performing, but he has actual star presence and a look to match, or TNT wouldn't be using him for legitimate business crossovers. The entire meme about Jarrett is that he "Never drew a dime". Cody has at this point drawn several dimes, quarters if you will! Like it or hate it here is why people's minds go there - Cody has ridiculously elaborate and long entrances, even when he loses it is usually by a fluke, he's in every outside thing AEW is a part of, his importance as a character is overhyped by the announcer team non-stop, aspects of his personal life are a constant focus, he has his own stable of underneath "young boys", he is presented constantly as the face of the company although guys like Mox, Darby, & OC are clearly more over than he could ever dream of being with the fans, in some fashion or another he gets inserted (at least temporarily) into nearly every major storyline, he's a dragon slayer (see Archer & Broadie), need I continue?
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Post by Viking Hall on Mar 19, 2021 10:04:06 GMT -5
The fact that a psychopath like Penta was clearly still toying with Cody even after losing should be something Cody is very worried about. Saying he's going to leave him unable to hold his newborn is no idle threat and I don't think it'll be long until we see Penta terrorising Cody. This is just beginning and Penta hasn't even started to get serious yet.
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Post by toodarkmark on Mar 19, 2021 10:34:31 GMT -5
Cody in 2020-21:
Wanted to feature wrestlers with the TNT title not seen on Dynamite. This ends up helping Eddie Kingston and Ricky Starks contracts.
Jobbed without one move of offense to Brodie Lee.
Lost the title to Darby Allin in an attempt to make him a star.
Got chocked out by Taz, lost to Team Taz in a match.
Helped Lee Johnson win his first match.
Has a show on TBS, and did promo work for AEW on mainstream stations.
Put over Shaq and Jade, with the celebrity match being more about making Jade then it was making himself look good.
Lost ladder match by being shoved off the ladder by Scorpio Sky. The last image being him falling and Sky winning.
Was injured more by Penta, who made Cody look like a fool on his way out, and was setting up a feud of the Nightmare Family, so they can get people like Nick Camarto, Ogogo and other trainees on TV with a purpose.
Cody is not selfish enough, being an EVP who seems to be doing everything he can to get other people into better positions. Penta was literally his first big win of 2021. If he were Jeff Jarrett, he would be winning the world title and cutting the first promo on the show, with Britt Baker, FTR as his dog and pony show. Instead it's his brother and a bunch of trainees.
As far as him being stale, he's not in any storyline without the explicit purpose of getting other people in a better spot. He has given up the top guy stuff, to be a producer, to be a Dad. He is no longer the main artist on the song, he's the feature that gets the song on the radio. He is John Cena later on, because that's what he wants to be.
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Post by The Ichi on Mar 19, 2021 10:34:46 GMT -5
The "Cody reminds me of old Jeff Jarrett" shit is driving me crazy. Did these people WATCH what Jarrett did in WCW and TNA?? And when it comes to talent and what a talent's ceiling is? Cody has Jarrett beat in spades imo. Cody Rhodes is someone who not only was one of the most over people with large live crowds when he was performing, but he has actual star presence and a look to match, or TNT wouldn't be using him for legitimate business crossovers. The entire meme about Jarrett is that he "Never drew a dime". Cody has at this point drawn several dimes, quarters if you will! Like it or hate it here is why people's minds go there - Cody has ridiculously elaborate and long entrances, even when he loses it is usually by a fluke, he's in every outside thing AEW is a part of, his importance as a character is overhyped by the announcer team non-stop, aspects of his personal life are a constant focus, he has his own stable of underneath "young boys", he is presented constantly as the face of the company although guys like Mox, Darby, & OC are clearly more over than he could ever dream of being with the fans, in some fashion or another he gets inserted (at least temporarily) into nearly every major storyline, he's a dragon slayer (see Archer & Broadie), need I continue? I feel like he does the PR stuff because Mox likely doesn't want to, remember he hated that stuff in WWE. Mox and Omega are clearly presented as the two big stars of AEW. They get the PPV main events, the big match builds, and oh, the World title runs. I see it more as Mox and Kenny (and eventually Page) are the main eventers and Cody is the host of AEW. He does PR stuff because he's best suited for it, but he feels more like an upper midcarder to me. I feel like I'm watching a different show when people claim the show is made to revolve around him. Now go watch the JJ and HHH reign of terrors if you can stomach them and come back to me.
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Post by toodarkmark on Mar 19, 2021 11:00:52 GMT -5
Even his TNT title run. Did he just beat top heels to he can be a champion babyface beloved by all?
No, instead he featured black people who were not getting on Dynamite, like Scorpio Sky, Sonny Kiss and Marq Quen. He featured indie people so they could get exposure. He faced the top babyfaces and future stars like Jungle Boy, OC and Darby Allin. The entire run was a literal "This is who should be featured going forward, this is who might be signed, and we are not featuring enough black singles wrestlers on Dynamite." The entire run was about not putting himself over to be some sort of babyface hero, it was about the rest of the company.
The two heels monsters he faced, Hager and Lee, he jobbed to one of them like he was enhancement talent. He won it back, and after doing a program about OC being more serious as a wrestler, he put Darby Allin over.
People are going to dislike him, but he literally is doing what he can to remain a "top guy" while actually making everything he does about making the company better and getting other people to emerge.
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Post by Viking Hall on Mar 19, 2021 11:13:12 GMT -5
I get the feeling that Cody is going to be one of those guys where people say 'man, I miss Cody' as soon as he's gone. He's been pretty vocal about being retired from in-ring action by the time he's 40 and since he turns 36 this summer I absolutely believe that this run is him giving it his all to elevate and put over as many of the people as he can that he sees taking AEW forward once he's hung up his boots. It's probably as unselfish a run as you'll likely see from a perceived top guy, and it'll be something that's sorely missed once he jacks it in, because there's very few that would be willing to do that, let alone have the ability and presence to go with it too.
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Post by toodarkmark on Mar 19, 2021 11:20:16 GMT -5
I get the feeling that Cody is going to be one of those guys where people say 'man, I miss Cody' as soon as he's gone. He's been pretty vocal about being retired from in-ring action by the time he's 40 and since he turns 36 this summer I absolutely believe that this run is him giving it his all to elevate and put over as many of the people as he can that he sees taking AEW forward once he's hung up his boots. It's probably as unselfish a run as you'll likely see from a perceived top guy, and it'll be something that's sorely missed once he jacks it in, because there's very few that would be willing to do that, let alone have the ability and presence to go with it too. In my heart, I believe he was done when he took that jump off of the cage in Atlanta. I think he hurt himself, couldn't have a good match with MJF because he was shaken, and decided being a top star wasn't what he wanted anymore. TV shows, media, making stars, being a producer in the Dusty position, being a Dad, that's what he wants. Even that horrid tattoo, I think it was him unconsiously disconnecting from being a top face.
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Post by polarbearpete on Mar 19, 2021 12:20:51 GMT -5
I get the feeling that Cody is going to be one of those guys where people say 'man, I miss Cody' as soon as he's gone. He's been pretty vocal about being retired from in-ring action by the time he's 40 and since he turns 36 this summer I absolutely believe that this run is him giving it his all to elevate and put over as many of the people as he can that he sees taking AEW forward once he's hung up his boots. It's probably as unselfish a run as you'll likely see from a perceived top guy, and it'll be something that's sorely missed once he jacks it in, because there's very few that would be willing to do that, let alone have the ability and presence to go with it too. In my heart, I believe he was done when he took that jump off of the cage in Atlanta. I think he hurt himself, couldn't have a good match with MJF because he was shaken, and decided being a top star wasn't what he wanted anymore. TV shows, media, making stars, being a producer in the Dusty position, being a Dad, that's what he wants. Even that horrid tattoo, I think it was him unconsiously disconnecting from being a top face. I think he’ll be a heel world champion after Hangman.
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Post by Celgress on Mar 19, 2021 13:41:17 GMT -5
Like it or hate it here is why people's minds go there - Cody has ridiculously elaborate and long entrances, even when he loses it is usually by a fluke, he's in every outside thing AEW is a part of, his importance as a character is overhyped by the announcer team non-stop, aspects of his personal life are a constant focus, he has his own stable of underneath "young boys", he is presented constantly as the face of the company although guys like Mox, Darby, & OC are clearly more over than he could ever dream of being with the fans, in some fashion or another he gets inserted (at least temporarily) into nearly every major storyline, he's a dragon slayer (see Archer & Broadie), need I continue? I feel like he does the PR stuff because Mox likely doesn't want to, remember he hated that stuff in WWE. Mox and Omega are clearly presented as the two big stars of AEW. They get the PPV main events, the big match builds, and oh, the World title runs. I see it more as Mox and Kenny (and eventually Page) are the main eventers and Cody is the host of AEW. He does PR stuff because he's best suited for it, but he feels more like an upper midcarder to me. I feel like I'm watching a different show when people claim the show is made to revolve around him. Now go watch the JJ and HHH reign of terrors if you can stomach them and come back to me. Hey, I was asked a question I answered. I will say this, how many midcarders are you aware of who constantly get outside spots and are featured on ALL the promotional material or are give such elaborate entrances?
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Post by toodarkmark on Mar 19, 2021 14:02:06 GMT -5
I feel like he does the PR stuff because Mox likely doesn't want to, remember he hated that stuff in WWE. Mox and Omega are clearly presented as the two big stars of AEW. They get the PPV main events, the big match builds, and oh, the World title runs. I see it more as Mox and Kenny (and eventually Page) are the main eventers and Cody is the host of AEW. He does PR stuff because he's best suited for it, but he feels more like an upper midcarder to me. I feel like I'm watching a different show when people claim the show is made to revolve around him. Now go watch the JJ and HHH reign of terrors if you can stomach them and come back to me. Hey, I was asked a question I answered. I will say this, how many midcarders are you aware of who constantly get outside spots and are featured on ALL the promotional material or are give such elaborate entrances? He's a main eventer who decided to become a mid-carder to help the company build other main eventers.
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Post by Celgress on Mar 19, 2021 14:06:19 GMT -5
Hey, I was asked a question I answered. I will say this, how many midcarders are you aware of who constantly get outside spots and are featured on ALL the promotional material or are give such elaborate entrances? He's a main eventer who decided to become a mid-carder to help the company build other main eventers. Maybe so, but as said in a movie once (paraphrasing) there is just something about Cody that pisses me off. He has the X-Pac Heat with me, I really can't say why.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2021 15:37:57 GMT -5
My biggest issue with Cody is he's a jack of all trades, master of none type. He's not a power guy, not a high-flyer or a great technical wrestler. He does everything to a competent level but nothing stands out as amazing or makes me think "this guy is so good in kayfabe he goes into 90% of his matches as the favorite to win." This is were the Jeff Jarrett comparisons come into play for me, not the "he's booking himself" angle.
His strikes have always looked fairly weak to me and the Cross Rhodes and the figure-four from him I don't buy being able to put down anyone beyond mid-level. I think he's booked too strong in a sheer "power" sense. Like him no-selling a Coffin Drop and reversing it into a pin, standing up right after that Shaq powerbomb or this week with the potential arm breaking spot into the pin again. When he stood next to Brodie it barely looked like it should be a believable fight. Same with Pentagon. And it's not simply a size thing. I believe Cody's billed height and weight is above Penta. Penta looks like a killer though and Cody looks like a regular guy (by wrestling standards).
When I think of top guys like Hogan/Austin/Cena they were super powerful or tough. I could buy them beating anyone. Or in AEW you have Omega who is a world class wrestler, Moxley who is basically impervious to pain and actually enjoys it and Jericho who will use every dirty trick in the book to win. Cody doesn't really have any of the intangibles that makes him a believable main eventer. Or maybe he does. Maybe he's supposed to be really really tough like an Austin and it's just a case of me personally not buying it. And in the grand scheme of things, me not buying him as being as tough as he's booked to be is irrelevant anyway. He will probably always be one of the top 3-5 most popular people in the company so that popularity dictates that he's going to be booked strong.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 19, 2021 15:41:24 GMT -5
In all seriousness, Cody just really doesn't do it for me as far as being a favorite
Damn good storyteller and he can invest me in a feud but like a HHH I know what his matches consist of and it is going to run 5-10 mins longer than it should have and I have no real interest in that. The match is def going to be good but sometimes less is more. He can sell me on the match but watching it is still 50/50. Highly talented and deserving of where he should be as one of the main faces of the card but I can understand why people don't universally love him
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Post by markymark on Mar 19, 2021 16:27:28 GMT -5
The only momentum I say Cody really ruined was Shawn Spears.
Idk if its just me but does anyone get reminded of Del Rio and Ricardo when you see Penta and Alex?
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Post by Peeetah on Mar 19, 2021 16:46:34 GMT -5
I'm a huge Cody fan the Penta win was the first time I've been down on him winning. He is a bit stale hopefully he's having a break soon so he can freshen up a bit.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Mar 19, 2021 19:26:58 GMT -5
Like I said in the thread, that ending stretch just did nothing for me. In a span of about three minutes: 1. Penta kicked out of two of Cody's biggest moves (Cross Rhodes and Vertebreaker) and escaped the figure four, all with very little build up, 2. Penta hit the arm breaker, which Cody barely had time to sell before 3. Cody gets the quick rollup pin, using the injured arm. It just felt a lot like they were doing the moves for the sake of doing the moves, without the storytelling or psychology necessary to make it look good. In hindsight, it kind of felt like Cody was trying to tell the story of a 60 minute Broadway in 15 minutes, and the finish just felt like everything was thrown in at once with no room to breathe. Yeah I was pretty annoyed that Cody won with a rollup that he hit IMMEDIATELY after taking Penta's arm-snapping finish on an already injured body part?? The f*** was that?
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 19, 2021 22:22:33 GMT -5
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