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Post by markymark on Mar 23, 2021 9:58:26 GMT -5
He is not wrong.
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Post by Hypnosis on Mar 23, 2021 10:33:52 GMT -5
Christian just debuting at Revolution without the mystery announcement in the Wight/Schiavone segment might have gone over better.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Mar 23, 2021 11:06:30 GMT -5
Christian just debuting at Revolution without the mystery announcement in the Wight/Schiavone segment might have gone over better. Pretty much was my point, that and in conference calls Tony and Cody hyped it up as a huge signing. I like Christian but this isn't a guy coming I'm with a lot of momentum. Had he showed up and interrupted someone? That would have been a pretty cool debut and got him more hype
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Post by eJm on Mar 23, 2021 11:08:29 GMT -5
I still think people really overblew all of this in terms of the fact it was, like, 5 days of build for a signing and taking it from the show itself and not the interviews...it was about what I expected. But eh, that's not a discussion I'm taking part in anymore besides this.
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Post by The Trashman on Mar 23, 2021 12:54:40 GMT -5
I'm fine with him being the signing but the catch phrase is awful and calling him the workhorse is even worse.
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Post by Hypnosis on Mar 23, 2021 13:06:38 GMT -5
I'm fine with him being the signing but the catch phrase is awful and calling him the workhorse is even worse. Don't know why he didn't keep the whole "Peeps" deal either, even if it had to be tweaked for trademark reasons. "Good wrestler" isn't a unique character to just him.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Mar 23, 2021 13:11:08 GMT -5
I'm fine with him being the signing but the catch phrase is awful and calling him the workhorse is even worse. Don't know why he didn't keep the whole "Peeps" deal either, even if it had to be tweaked for trademark reasons. "Good wrestler" isn't a unique character to just him. I could see him or Khan thinking that his old character was a little too dated, given that he was using slang that was on the edge of going out of style circa 06. By the time he got to TNA, that slang was his in a way that works in wrestling - but coming back in 2021 as a 47-year-old using the same shtick would come across very "How do you do, fellow kids?" That doesn't mean "Out Work Everyone" is it, but I can see why they didn't go back to what he had done before.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2021 13:43:14 GMT -5
I'm fine with him being the signing but the catch phrase is awful and calling him the workhorse is even worse. Don't know why he didn't keep the whole "Peeps" deal either, even if it had to be tweaked for trademark reasons. "Good wrestler" isn't a unique character to just him. When I think of babyface Christian in WWE, TNA, ECW or his first few AEW appearances his character is usually always good wrestler/fighting champion/workhorse. For someone nicknamed Captain Charisma he only seems to fully show his charisma when he's a heel. Edge has the same problem. Any babyface run is always short lived because they're both much more entertaining as heels.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 23, 2021 13:53:43 GMT -5
I'm fine with him being the signing but the catch phrase is awful and calling him the workhorse is even worse. Didn't a lot of fans consider Christian a workhorse for years?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2021 13:55:46 GMT -5
If he'd have debuted as a complete surprise it would have been a true holy shit moment. It was really just the announcing of a hall of fame legend that caused the middling reaction. Half the people started speculating about wildly unrealistic names and the other half figured it was probably Christian so therefore it wasn't shocking.
As well received as his Royal Rumble appearance was a lot of that was the shock factor. If they announced the week before that a huge returning star would be a surprise entrant people would have started talking about Rock/Cena/Punk/Lesnar and may have been disappointed with Christian. They didn't promise anything beforehand though so there was no one to compare him to.
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Post by toodarkmark on Mar 23, 2021 13:58:34 GMT -5
If he'd have debuted as a complete surprise it would have been a true holy shit moment. It was really just the announcing of a hall of fame legend that caused the middling reaction. Half the people started speculating about wildly unrealistic names and the other half figured it was probably Christian so therefore it wasn't shocking. As well received as his Royal Rumble appearance was a lot of that was the shock factor. If they announced the week before that a huge returning star would be a surprise entrant people would have started talking about Rock/Cena/Punk/Lesnar and may have been disappointed with Christian. They didn't promise anything beforehand though so there was no one to compare him to. Live and learn moment. AEW hadn't done something like that yet, and saw the response by some people, and might not do it again. Still a new company trying things out.
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Post by Dub H on Mar 23, 2021 13:59:19 GMT -5
I feel like 10 years from now we will have the same exact discussion over this. Boggles my.mind
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2021 14:00:29 GMT -5
If he'd have debuted as a complete surprise it would have been a true holy shit moment. It was really just the announcing of a hall of fame legend that caused the middling reaction. Half the people started speculating about wildly unrealistic names and the other half figured it was probably Christian so therefore it wasn't shocking. As well received as his Royal Rumble appearance was a lot of that was the shock factor. If they announced the week before that a huge returning star would be a surprise entrant people would have started talking about Rock/Cena/Punk/Lesnar and may have been disappointed with Christian. They didn't promise anything beforehand though so there was no one to compare him to. Live and learn moment. AEW hadn't done something like that yet, and saw the response by some people, and might not do it again. Still a new company trying things out. They probably got a few thousand extra PPV buys out of the anticipation so it was probably worth it in the end anyway.
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Post by toodarkmark on Mar 23, 2021 14:08:47 GMT -5
Live and learn moment. AEW hadn't done something like that yet, and saw the response by some people, and might not do it again. Still a new company trying things out. They probably got a few thousand extra PPV buys out of the anticipation so it was probably worth it in the end anyway. Well, after he starts wrestling and has an angle it might change, but who knows. AEW has a way of fixing issues, so we'll see.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Mar 23, 2021 14:59:12 GMT -5
If he'd have debuted as a complete surprise it would have been a true holy shit moment. It was really just the announcing of a hall of fame legend that caused the middling reaction. Half the people started speculating about wildly unrealistic names and the other half figured it was probably Christian so therefore it wasn't shocking. As well received as his Royal Rumble appearance was a lot of that was the shock factor. If they announced the week before that a huge returning star would be a surprise entrant people would have started talking about Rock/Cena/Punk/Lesnar and may have been disappointed with Christian. They didn't promise anything beforehand though so there was no one to compare him to. Live and learn moment. AEW hadn't done something like that yet, and saw the response by some people, and might not do it again. Still a new company trying things out. Yeah, as much as people kept talking about it being a TNA-scale 'announcement', the difference is that AEW is two years old and hadn't done anything quite like this before. TNA kept doing it. Kept building surprises that flopped, kept announcing big announcements that turned out to be an announcement of an announcement at a later date. It was a pattern, seemingly their own promotional tactic, and even as it changed nothing in ratings and made them jokes, they kept doing it. AEW gave this a try once and has been good so far about learning from their mistakes, I'm not going to hold it against them. Also, finding out that Tony Khan is a huge Christian fan and that that probably skewed the gravity of the news is just super endearing. I think even if he had landed someone like Dolph Ziggler who I will never and can never care about, finding that out would have made me forgive the whole thing.
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Post by Cyno on Mar 23, 2021 15:06:22 GMT -5
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 23, 2021 15:12:06 GMT -5
I'm fine with him being the signing but the catch phrase is awful and calling him the workhorse is even worse. Don't know why he didn't keep the whole "Peeps" deal either, even if it had to be tweaked for trademark reasons. "Good wrestler" isn't a unique character to just him. It isn't, no, but I also get where the "peeps" thing wouldn't be him anymore. No one wants to open themselves up to looking like "Heartbreak Kid" coming out with thin, straggly here and screwed up knees. Holding on too long to something can be a little a comical.
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Post by markymark on Mar 23, 2021 15:19:56 GMT -5
Don't know why he didn't keep the whole "Peeps" deal either, even if it had to be tweaked for trademark reasons. "Good wrestler" isn't a unique character to just him. I could see him or Khan thinking that his old character was a little too dated, given that he was using slang that was on the edge of going out of style circa 06. By the time he got to TNA, that slang was his in a way that works in wrestling - but coming back in 2021 as a 47-year-old using the same shtick would come across very "How do you do, fellow kids?" That doesn't mean "Out Work Everyone" is it, but I can see why they didn't go back to what he had done before. Christian is wait and see imo, just look at Miro how he started and how he currently is(Going from a gamer to a psycho bully).
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Post by Chiral on Mar 23, 2021 15:36:04 GMT -5
I'm gonna probably forever be bitter about the #Discourse around this because it really soured a cool moment that still hasn't sunk in yet, that my favorite dude unretired out of nowhere pretty much then jumped to AEW a month after a surprise WWE return...like that shit's crazy and deserves better than to be #Discourse'd for me at least.
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Post by Bo Rida on Mar 23, 2021 15:55:48 GMT -5
I'm gonna probably forever be bitter about the #Discourse around this because it really soured a cool moment that still hasn't sunk in yet, that my favorite dude unretired out of nowhere pretty much then jumped to AEW a month after a surprise WWE return...like that shit's crazy and deserves better than to be #Discourse'd for me at least. It's weird. To me and I'm assuming many others it doesn't feel like he was gone seven years.
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