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Post by eJm on Mar 25, 2021 16:34:04 GMT -5
Also, when it comes to UFC, we all assume something will spread there. And if I had to bet, I would guess so as well. But...what if it doesn’t? What if there’s no discernible link to spread there akin to the Super Bowl? The Super Bowl spaced people out in a larger stadium and put as many provisions down as possible and the fact there were only 54 is a minor miracle. Dana wants to fill the whole indoor venue. No gaps, no bubbles, nothing. That's a massive difference between the two.
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Post by markymark on Mar 25, 2021 16:38:09 GMT -5
They just gotta keep producing great shows and viewers will return, Arcade Brawl has to be memorable, I hope Jerry Lynn also produces it.
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Post by Malibu Albino on Mar 25, 2021 16:44:22 GMT -5
Boy, I wasn't expecting average ratings to turn into "time to pack arenas full of people when it is obviously a bad idea," but here we are.
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Post by RKTaker on Mar 25, 2021 16:52:08 GMT -5
AEW had 757k total viewers, drawing a .30 in the main 18-49 demo. It was sixth for the night on cable. Frankly, these have been bad numbers for AEW recently. They BARELY beat NXT in the Male 12-34 demo (.14 vs .13). They overall demo is up a tad, but the show seems to have no momentum, even if I have personally been loving the shows. They really need to freshen things up. Demo and overall viewership has dropped pretty steadily since the winter. And especially since Revolution. I think a change of scenery would do a world of good. That basically means back to being in front of packed houses. I know they’re hesitant to do it but they should be exploring every possible way to do it safely. there’s still a pandemic as much as people don’t want to admit it, it’s not over and not only that but there aren’t many places that are allowing 100% capacity in stadiums also there’s no way to have 45,000 people in a stadium safely
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 25, 2021 16:55:04 GMT -5
Boy, I wasn't expecting average ratings to turn into "time to pack arenas full of people when it is obviously a bad idea," but here we are. While changes of scenery and larger crowds might help viewership, it's not a viable option right now, especially for wrestling. They're doing all they can at the moment and working on hopefully getting to these possibilities But yeah average viewership numbers and 6th on cable doesn't warrant AEW taking some huge gamble that's just gonna result in negative PR.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2021 16:57:46 GMT -5
I took my son to a Predators game and a Grizzlies game this past week. Both were at 10 to 15% capacity that's about 2000-2500 people in a arena meant for 17,500. These are the inhouse teams their playing already due to the tv deals. A company like AEW or WWE touring at 15% capacity would be running at huge loss. The only thing touring at either of these places is Mike Epps comedy tour. Comedy doesnt need much of a set up, and they are having multiple shows in a evening. Theres more events coming in June but those are still only running at 25% at the moment. So fans at a major wrestling company touring weekly show isnt coming for a while. Whats weirder than seeing the world shut down is seeing it slowly open back.
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Post by markymark on Mar 25, 2021 16:58:32 GMT -5
Short fixes would be maybe boot Spears for being a ratings killer, replace him with Scorpio in Pinnacle, have Cody bury QT and moves on to a proper storyline.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 25, 2021 17:04:38 GMT -5
Short fixes would be maybe boot Spears for being a ratings killer, replace him with Scorpio in Pinnacle, have Cody bury QT and moves on to a proper storyline. Maybe look at the ratings breakdown before we start calling Spears and QT "ratings killers"? Marshall has, strangely, done well in AEW ratings, and this has been talked about before. He got over a million viewers in the Bunkhouse match, and yes that match had three other wrestlers in it, but he was a huge fixture of the match and the whole thing was kinda built around Allie turning on him. And even if Spears was a low point this week the match was literally borderline enhancement with Varsity Blondes and Dante Martin. You can't just shrug and say that's Spears fault when the other three are still building an identity to viewers too. These aren't short fixes these are rash decisions based on Nielson numbers, some of which haven't even been released yet, and why some people aren't actual bookers lol.
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Post by RKTaker on Mar 25, 2021 17:06:53 GMT -5
Short fixes would be maybe boot Spears for being a ratings killer, replace him with Scorpio in Pinnacle, have Cody bury QT and moves on to a proper storyline. I like how you suggest having scorpio replace Spears while many people also find Scorpio boring as well as spears
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 25, 2021 17:09:29 GMT -5
Short fixes would be maybe boot Spears for being a ratings killer, replace him with Scorpio in Pinnacle, have Cody bury QT and moves on to a proper storyline. I like how you suggest having scorpio replace Spears while many people also find Scorpio boring as well as spears Scorpio's doing what he needs to do and find this character on Elevation. Spears for people calling him boring is still a solid worker and fits he Pinnacle role perfectly being their guy who will take the most pins but is still a reliable veteran. They don't want Scorpio taking a bunch of pins in comparison.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 25, 2021 17:23:42 GMT -5
Notable things happening in three weeks for the Viewership numbers btw
NXT moving to Tuesdays (And Impact moving to Thursdays)
The Challenge's season is ending
AEW, realistically, is going to be seeing much different numbers in April with the "War" over and one of their biggest competitions (Usually number one in the demo) gone. It's just gonna be less options to split the live viewership so we'll see.
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Post by toodarkmark on Mar 25, 2021 17:30:23 GMT -5
AEW had 757k total viewers, drawing a .30 in the main 18-49 demo. It was sixth for the night on cable. Frankly, these have been bad numbers for AEW recently. They BARELY beat NXT in the Male 12-34 demo (.14 vs .13). They overall demo is up a tad, but the show seems to have no momentum, even if I have personally been loving the shows. They really need to freshen things up. Demo and overall viewership has dropped pretty steadily since the winter. And especially since Revolution. I think a change of scenery would do a world of good. That basically means back to being in front of packed houses. I know they’re hesitant to do it but they should be exploring every possible way to do it safely. Flower, you always post these numbers and are so doom and gloom about it. There are like 200 shows on cable on any night, and AEW is 6th in the overnights. They have 34% who watch it streaming afterwards. They were #4 among males 18-49. That's out of 200 shows. You really need to relax and just enjoy it. They just got another show on TNT. They have a solid audience. It doesn't matter of they get a 3.0 or a 3.2, or if they get 750 or 850k viewers. It does not matter man. They have a 3 year deal, will get more money at the end of it, and are fine. Stop worrying about the week to week. I think they don't need to freshen things up. This is their rating. Just accept it and enjoy the show.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2021 17:59:20 GMT -5
Dynamite won’t hit a million until Abadon returns to Dynamite in a paramotor.
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Post by Cyno on Mar 25, 2021 18:00:43 GMT -5
Assuming Shawn Spears is a "ratings killer" for being only in the background of a segment he was involved in is hilarious.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2021 18:08:11 GMT -5
Assuming Shawn Spears is a "ratings killer" for being only in the background of a segment he was involved in is hilarious. I called Cutler and QT bland as hell in the live thread. My personal preference is AEW feature other talent, when there’s so many guys just standing around in groups from 5-7 people. But that’s the thing, spears is standing in a group of seven other dudes, so it’s hard to call anyone wrestler a “ratings killer.”
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Post by flowercity on Mar 25, 2021 18:37:19 GMT -5
Man my words get twisted here. I repeatedly post about how i love the shows. People take me saying “have crowds as safely as possible” or “find way to do it outdoors” as indoor arenas. Only here, man. Sheeeeesh.
I never say that they’re going to be hurt long term or anything either. But they’ve lost 22% of their audience since the winter and 30% of the demo. We can take these ratings and think of why or pretend they’re great. They are fine long term, but there’s definitely stuff that needs fixing for the general public. I wish people actually took what I said and responded to it. Rather than stretching what I said to the hyperbolic end.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 25, 2021 18:58:20 GMT -5
Man my words get twisted here. I repeatedly post about how i love the shows. People take me saying “have crowds as safely as possible” or “find way to do it outdoors” as indoor arenas. Only here, man. Sheeeeesh. I never say that they’re going to be hurt long term or anything either. But they’ve lost 22% of their audience since the winter and 30% of the demo. We can take these ratings and think of why or pretend they’re great. They are fine long term, but there’s definitely stuff that needs fixing for the general public. I wish people actually took what I said and responded to it. Rather than stretching what I said to the hyperbolic end. "I think a change of scenery would do a world of good. That basically means back to being in front of packed houses. I know they’re hesitant to do it but they should be exploring every possible way to do it safely." Those were your exact words man, no one was twisting them, but everyone said the same thing, there is no feasible way to do "packed houses" safely right now, even with vaccines in rapid disribution, this stuff is going to take time. A change of scenery also makes no sense financially for them, Daily's is a low cost home base that with outdoor benefit gives AEW 1000-3000 fans a show depending on how much of it is open. The AEW trend has always been the numbers rise as they get more towards a PPV, and they are also coming off the Shaq show, so of course the numbers were going to go down after something like that, plus the numbers the Brodie Show did for the circumstances involved. I don't think AEW outright has to do anything, they have to develop their brand and build up wrestlers. If they get consistent viewership with it, it's all you can ask for, along with the great demo placement, and then you can come back with show specials later. The averages also might be lower but it doesn't mean AEW shows still aren't getting million viewer peaks or good numbers during shows. Baker/Rosa did near a million and the show did average 750k or so like this one. It doesn't always tell the whole story of AEW or how the shows are going as a whole, which is why I said I think people put too much stock into Nielson numbers. There's no need to say people here are twisting your words when they're literally just reacting to what you said man. No one doubts your AEW fan stature, but they're also not sweating these numbers, especially when the girls did so well last week..
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Mar 25, 2021 19:03:52 GMT -5
I also think we need to be careful about averages during that winter period. It's great that they popped a few big numbers and it sucks that a lot of those viewers didn't become weekly watchers. But outside a few outliers, the numbers have remained very consistent since week four or so of Dynamite with the main exceptions being the giant few winter shows/unopposed shows/the early pandemic Atlanta shows where everything was down.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 25, 2021 19:16:33 GMT -5
I also think we need to be careful about averages during that winter period. It's great that they popped a few big numbers and it sucks that a lot of those viewers didn't become weekly watchers. But outside a few outliers, the numbers have remained very consistent since week four or so of Dynamite with the main exceptions being the giant few winter shows/unopposed shows/the early pandemic Atlanta shows where everything was down. NXT moving is gonna be good for them plus Challenge ending soon. When they didn't have NXT on that one week for Hockey they got close to a million. So whether they get close to or not the expectation is they're gonna go up with both NXT leaving and the usually number one demo getter of Wednesday also disappearing.
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Post by toodarkmark on Mar 25, 2021 20:57:55 GMT -5
Man my words get twisted here. I repeatedly post about how i love the shows. People take me saying “have crowds as safely as possible” or “find way to do it outdoors” as indoor arenas. Only here, man. Sheeeeesh. I never say that they’re going to be hurt long term or anything either. But they’ve lost 22% of their audience since the winter and 30% of the demo. We can take these ratings and think of why or pretend they’re great. They are fine long term, but there’s definitely stuff that needs fixing for the general public. I wish people actually took what I said and responded to it. Rather than stretching what I said to the hyperbolic end. They lost 22% since the winter? Here are some December, January and February ratings. 12/23/2020 775,000 1/13/2021 762,000 0.30 1/27/2021 734,000 0.29 2/10/2021 741,000 0.29 2/17/2021 747,000 0.31 Please, Flower City. Tell me how the ratings have fallen 22% since the winter. Are you choosing shows they popped big numbers? That happens. But guess what, here are the facts. They average 750-850 viewers, and about 34% of their viewers watch after the show. Sometimes they get a bigger number, but this is their audience if there's some popular shows on cable and some good NBA games. Like, this is their audience. When you see 750k, that's a rating. When you see 850k, oh that's good. 950k, fantastic, great number for the week. But this is the kind of rating they'll be getting in 2021, in 2022, in 2024 IF THEY ARE LUCKY. So again, you have to understand there isn't some arbitrary number they need. This is their number, and TNT is happy enough having a top 5, 10 show in the demos every week, and gave them another show.
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