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Post by polarbearpete on Mar 31, 2021 12:11:50 GMT -5
Corbin is not in the Hurt Business. I’m hoping kicking Shelton and Cedric out was done for a big swerve at Mania. If their match does not go on last, I’m thinking Lashley’s keeping the belt.
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Post by "Magic" Mark Hurr on Mar 31, 2021 12:44:25 GMT -5
Honestly why is this so hard. With The Hurt Business going strong the feud wrote itself. You have them beat down and overwhelm Drew and MVP pitches it as Drew couldn’t even beat Lashley 1V1 he was no chance at mania. Hurt Business are put over as no nonsense bad asses, Drew is sympathetically get screwed. Have him flip the script and start taking out The Hurt Business one by one like the goddamn predator until it’s just MVP and Lashley left. Lashley is booked against Sheamus and tells MVP to stay backstage with hired goons because he can’t keep an eye on him while dealing with Sheamus. He gets back after the match and the goons are dead and MVP is missing. Eventually is dragged out to the ring by Drew all dishevelled with his suit all mucked up. Bobby comes out, Drew tells him to agree to have Hurt Business away from ringside at Mania or he’ll end MVP, MVP can be screaming don’t do it don’t do it Bobby like f*** this, I don’t need Hurt Business at mania you got a deal. Bobby comes out as the badass heel champ using short cuts he doesn’t need, MVP is the calculated genius, Drew is smart enough not rely on his plot armour to solve his problems and it gets us to 1v1 I need to find a site that allows me to bet money that WWE will hire you just so they could fire you for coming up with a better idea. twitter.com/FightfulWrestle/status/1377300419177717768?s=20
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Post by eJm on Mar 31, 2021 12:52:24 GMT -5
Honestly why is this so hard. With The Hurt Business going strong the feud wrote itself. You have them beat down and overwhelm Drew and MVP pitches it as Drew couldn’t even beat Lashley 1V1 he was no chance at mania. Hurt Business are put over as no nonsense bad asses, Drew is sympathetically get screwed. Have him flip the script and start taking out The Hurt Business one by one like the goddamn predator until it’s just MVP and Lashley left. Lashley is booked against Sheamus and tells MVP to stay backstage with hired goons because he can’t keep an eye on him while dealing with Sheamus. He gets back after the match and the goons are dead and MVP is missing. Eventually is dragged out to the ring by Drew all dishevelled with his suit all mucked up. Bobby comes out, Drew tells him to agree to have Hurt Business away from ringside at Mania or he’ll end MVP, MVP can be screaming don’t do it don’t do it Bobby like f*** this, I don’t need Hurt Business at mania you got a deal. Bobby comes out as the badass heel champ using short cuts he doesn’t need, MVP is the calculated genius, Drew is smart enough not rely on his plot armour to solve his problems and it gets us to 1v1 I need to find a site that allows me to bet money that WWE will hire you just so they could fire you for coming up with a better idea. May I recommend...
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Mar 31, 2021 12:57:57 GMT -5
It's ridiculous if this was all done to ensure Lashley gets booed at Mania. Just have them to do dastardly things to Drew. You know, let them be heels. Have them tie up Drew and have him watch his former best friend Sheamus get massacred or something. I'm sure there are a dozen ways you could do something like that. Just book them as a heel faction and you'll be fine.
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Post by Chiral on Mar 31, 2021 13:20:17 GMT -5
I gotta wonder if they did some fan poll that made them scared fans were gonna cheer Reigns and Lashley and just tanked all their plans and hit the emergency "well Baron Corbin always gets booed" button right after mashing the "people like that Daniel Bryan fella don't they" button.
Or Vince just completely snapped after deciding Edge was old and we're all just stuck on his wacky ride as he course corrects the WM build to his specifications with the same tinkering energy that George Lucas used on the Star Wars blu rays when he made Yoda and the Ewoks CGI blink and added MACKLUNKEY
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2021 14:05:47 GMT -5
Even Big Dave ain't rocking with it. Damn.
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Post by eJm on Mar 31, 2021 14:09:03 GMT -5
Even Big Dave ain't rocking with it. Damn. Here’s the tweet as a reference for the record.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2021 14:14:45 GMT -5
Even Big Dave ain't rocking with it. Damn. Here’s the tweet as a reference for the record. He knows a good stable when he sees one, he's completely right. Personally, I would have had them stay together and use that as a bridge to help Cedric similarly to how NoD was used to build Rock and of course Evolution used to build Orton and Batista. But nah, it was used to elevate Lashley and then they destroyed it to help Drew out. I mean, I get trying to help guys out and all but Drew isn't the guy who needs help, it's a newer star. It's like the whole "hey let's push Reigns" thing. Sure, Drew isn't Reigns but what they're doing is using similar methods to push "the big brand star" rather than pushing those who needs it. Doesn't matter if it's Reigns, Becky, Drew, doesn't matter who it is, if you're the major lead they're gonna keep giving you extras when it needs to go to others. Like, just let Lashley stay with Hurt Business and win. Afterwards have someone else beat Lashley, have Cedric rise up and boom, you've got 2 new stars.
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Post by eJm on Mar 31, 2021 14:36:49 GMT -5
Here’s the tweet as a reference for the record. He knows a good stable when he sees one, he's completely right. Personally, I would have had them stay together and use that as a bridge to help Cedric similarly to how NoD was used to build Rock and of course Evolution used to build Orton and Batista. But nah, it was used to elevate Lashley and then they destroyed it to help Drew out. I mean, I get trying to help guys out and all but Drew isn't the guy who needs help, it's a newer star. It's like the whole "hey let's push Reigns" thing. Sure, Drew isn't Reigns but what they're doing is using similar methods to push "the big brand star" rather than pushing those who needs it. Doesn't matter if it's Reigns, Becky, Drew, doesn't matter who it is, if you're the major lead you're gonna keep giving you extras when it needs to go to others. Like, just let Lashley stay with Hurt Business and win. Afterwards have someone else beat Lashley, have Cedric rise up and boom, you've got 2 new stars. Evolution is actually a good example because they both had a push that failed (Orton) and a push that didn't (Batista). One was rushed and didn't have much motivation to it after being a dick for so long (something given to Seth Rollins after he returned from injury) and the other was drawn out so long and got so much anticipation, the biggest pop of 2005 came from a dude turning his thumb to a downwards position. Now, besides WM, crowds aren't likely coming until the summer at best so it might not be the same thing but like you said, there needs to be some kind of allowances to make things more drawn out because crowds aren't as much of a factor as they once were and won't be for a while longer so there's no real harm in keeping The Hurt Business together for a longer time and just seeing how things go from there. Rushing stuff now just makes you look disorganised and lacking in confidence in your own stories and people which...I mean, seems to be a decades-long company mantra but anyway.
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Post by eJm on Mar 31, 2021 17:55:21 GMT -5
Can’t believe I missed the continuation of the T-Bar/Alvarez brenemies relationship from this.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2021 17:59:39 GMT -5
He knows a good stable when he sees one, he's completely right. Personally, I would have had them stay together and use that as a bridge to help Cedric similarly to how NoD was used to build Rock and of course Evolution used to build Orton and Batista. But nah, it was used to elevate Lashley and then they destroyed it to help Drew out. I mean, I get trying to help guys out and all but Drew isn't the guy who needs help, it's a newer star. It's like the whole "hey let's push Reigns" thing. Sure, Drew isn't Reigns but what they're doing is using similar methods to push "the big brand star" rather than pushing those who needs it. Doesn't matter if it's Reigns, Becky, Drew, doesn't matter who it is, if you're the major lead you're gonna keep giving you extras when it needs to go to others. Like, just let Lashley stay with Hurt Business and win. Afterwards have someone else beat Lashley, have Cedric rise up and boom, you've got 2 new stars. Evolution is actually a good example because they both had a push that failed (Orton) and a push that didn't (Batista). One was rushed and didn't have much motivation to it after being a dick for so long (something given to Seth Rollins after he returned from injury) and the other was drawn out so long and got so much anticipation, the biggest pop of 2005 came from a dude turning his thumb to a downwards position. Now, besides WM, crowds aren't likely coming until the summer at best so it might not be the same thing but like you said, there needs to be some kind of allowances to make things more drawn out because crowds aren't as much of a factor as they once were and won't be for a while longer so there's no real harm in keeping The Hurt Business together for a longer time and just seeing how things go from there. Rushing stuff now just makes you look disorganised and lacking in confidence in your own stories and people which...I mean, seems to be a decades-long company mantra but anyway. It really happened quickly and out of nowhere especially considering just a few weeks ago they did the "ok they're at odds guys oh wait no they're ok again" thing and sure, if it's done right it could work ala when the Shield did it.
But what happened with The Hurt Business is so cliche, predictable and it's just, like you said, rushed. If it happened at the end of Lashley's reign after they've exhausted all of the potential scenarios yeah that would work but not like this. Shit's wild.
I didn't even watch Monday because I don't have faith in this company's booking much and for as dope as Hurt Business was, I knew they wouldn't escape the bad storylines. It's stupid to do damage to these guys. Just run with them.
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Post by Starshine on Mar 31, 2021 18:29:28 GMT -5
Honestly even if it is just a swerve to get around the stipulation, I'm still calling this whole storyline dumb. It doesn't really make any sense that Lashley would whiplash from being an unstoppable killer monster to needing to make elaborate schemes to get multiple people to help him out and it's just needlessly cluttering the story while making Cedric and Shelton look like inconsequential losers getting there. I'm just going to add this quote from myself right here, from this thread about a month ago, and I guess we'll see where we go from here: They can book it however they want, but the money's always in the heel being an actual physical threat. The worst thing they can do is go the route where he suddenly becomes a cheating, chickenshit heel, which historically isn't uncommon for WWE when they move strong heels up from the midcard. I mean, you just have to look at the guy and you know that's a bad idea.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Mar 31, 2021 19:04:17 GMT -5
Cedric and Shelton were kicked out of the hurt business so they can interfere at WM without breaking the stip.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 31, 2021 19:12:16 GMT -5
As stated though... Lashley shouldn't care about the stip.
He's been this big time asskicker pretty much the entire Hurt Business run... he hasn't lost in like a year.
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Post by eJm on Mar 31, 2021 19:35:06 GMT -5
Cedric and Shelton were kicked out of the hurt business so they can interfere at WM without breaking the stip. Which...doesn’t seem like something character related as much as an excuse to swerve the audience for no good reason except to swerve them. Like, even if it was forgotten a week later, the original three members of The Hurt Business took over Raw Underground without taking off their suits. This isn’t a group that’s really into the “being cerebral” thing, as much as MVP is the strategist of the group.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Mar 31, 2021 20:47:16 GMT -5
And also, that begs the question, if you didn't want him cheered, why the f*** did you book him as a psuedo babyface for weeks, hahaha? Like, what the f***?? Is the phantom zone where Raw is totally different than what these fools literally put together themselves?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2021 2:20:45 GMT -5
Cedric and Shelton were kicked out of the hurt business so they can interfere at WM without breaking the stip. That would make more sense if Lashley didn't kick Shelton's ass lmao But this company can't write for shit so it wouldn't surprise me if this happened.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Apr 1, 2021 2:32:12 GMT -5
Cedric and Shelton were kicked out of the hurt business so they can interfere at WM without breaking the stip. That would make more sense if Lashley didn't kick Shelton's ass lmao But this company can't write for shit so it wouldn't surprise me if this happened. Well yeah, WWE can't write and post WM they'll talk up how good of a plan it was.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2021 2:35:20 GMT -5
Really I think it's a pretty gigantic reach to assume Lashley would get cheered over Drew anyway. Drew was hugely over when last we had crowds and the Hurt Business has never actually been in front of one, and while it's been well-received online that's never before really necessarily translated to how crowds respond to people. If anything I think it's significantly more likely the crowd would be dead for them than cheering for them since Lashley's barely ever gotten a reaction in WWE.
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