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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 1, 2021 17:18:14 GMT -5
Could be Takeover hype(last night was the Go home for the last NXT on wednesday), and or stuff like the Nightmare Family stuff or Shida/Tay/Bunny stuff or the Arcade Brawl that people didnt care NXT is building towards what is usually the biggest TakeOver of their year which has a very solid two night card, so it wouldn't shock me if they had some fans tune in and will continue to have fans tune in next week until the official move to Tuesdays where yo'd imagine both shows average viewers would increase permanently.
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Post by Hypnosis on Apr 1, 2021 17:22:41 GMT -5
Omega and Moxley have been feuding for a while, and the Revolution ending looked like it was going to be Moxley written off for a few months before the sparklers happened.
There's also three consecutive days of AEW shows being over one hour (Elevation, Dark, Dynamite), which does feel oversaturated.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 1, 2021 17:24:44 GMT -5
Omega and Moxley have been feuding for a while, and the Revolution ending looked like it was going to be Moxley written off for a few months before the sparklers happened. There's also three consecutive days of AEW shows being over one hour (Elevation, Dark, Dynamite), which does feel oversaturated. I have to imagine AEW's Youtube Shows do nothing to the bottom line when they average about 17-20k Live Viewers. The fanbase watches them but at their leisure and in segments Moxley's probably getting written out this week. I imagine The Bucks fully turn heel and do the deal and Kingston with his fabed fractured ankle can't do anything to stop what they do to him.
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Post by markymark on Apr 1, 2021 17:30:13 GMT -5
Could be Takeover hype(last night was the Go home for the last NXT on wednesday), and or stuff like the Nightmare Family stuff or Shida/Tay/Bunny stuff or the Arcade Brawl that people didnt care NXT is building towards what is usually the biggest TakeOver of their year which has a very solid two night card, so it wouldn't shock me if they had some fans tune in and will continue to have fans tune in next week until the official move to Tuesdays where yo'd imagine both shows average viewers would increase permanently. Wait a minute doesnt this look similar to that time last year when they were building Keith Lee to become Double Champ? Those back to back weeks NXT beat AEW?
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 1, 2021 17:32:33 GMT -5
NXT is building towards what is usually the biggest TakeOver of their year which has a very solid two night card, so it wouldn't shock me if they had some fans tune in and will continue to have fans tune in next week until the official move to Tuesdays where yo'd imagine both shows average viewers would increase permanently. Wait a minute doesnt this look similar to that time last year when they were building Keith Lee to become Double Champ? Those back to back weeks NXT beat AEW? Yeah, and it's also why I'm not worried about the numbers, the exact same thing happened last year where NXT really kicked into another gear for a big climax. It's not like AEW still isn't delivering quality programming, but it kinda makes sense to me with the likes of WALTER/Ciampa, Io/Raquel, and Cole/Reily that we're seeing some decent NXT Viewership right now.
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Post by Cyno on Apr 1, 2021 17:35:27 GMT -5
It wasn't a very interesting show on paper and NXT is building towards its Takeover and Mania weekend in general. Really good show in execution, but I can see why a lot of people would decide to skip it on live viewing.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2021 17:36:01 GMT -5
I said it a few months ago but I think they went overboard with the special/themed shows and it could hurt them in the long run. There was something like 20 out of 50 weeks that had a special show. Now if a show doesn't have a special theme or tagline or isn't being hyped up as a free PPV type thing there's a danger some people won't bother tuning in.
There's already been a bunch of comments online saying oh well, it was just a filler/cooldown episode anyway. If that was a filler episode then that's a little concerning. You had Christian's first TV match in 7 years, a wild main event gimmick match to end a long feud, Jericho/Inner Circle returning plus Omega/Moxley/Cody all in action. That should be more than enough content for a weekly pro wrestling show. If you've conditioned your audience to think that's a slow week or a skippable show then you're going to be in trouble long-term.
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Post by chronocross on Apr 1, 2021 17:37:58 GMT -5
Maybe it was that QT Marshall match, sorry just don't find him interesting.
I was looking at NXT a bit more this week with that battle royal, but we'll see how things go once NXT makes the move to Tuesdays and the fallout from Takeover.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 1, 2021 17:40:41 GMT -5
I said it a few months ago but I think they went overboard with the special/themed shows and it could hurt them in the long run. There was something like 20 out of 50 weeks that had a special show. Now if a show doesn't have a special theme or tagline or isn't being hyped up as a free PPV type thing there's a danger some people won't bother tuning in. There's already been a bunch of comments online saying oh well, it was just a filler/cooldown episode anyway. If that was a filler episode then that's a little concerning. You had Christian's first TV match in 7 years, a wild main event gimmick match to end a long feud, Jericho/Inner Circle returning plus Omega/Moxley/Cody all in action. That should be more than enough content for a weekly pro wrestling show. If you've conditioned your audience to think that's a slow week or a skippable show then you're going to be in trouble long-term. You kinda have to see how the breakdown is before a full judgment, because for all we know Christian got real good viewership but then it decreased mid show. This has been the norm the last few weeks, good start, fans drift in the middle, come back for the end, which leads to these averages.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2021 17:45:42 GMT -5
More and more I'm thinking this is on Kenny. It'd probably help if he had some kind of direction right now beyond just, "Whine at the Bucks and have a match that he's obviously going to win," but as it is everything with him just feels like a giant waste of time.
Also while I love the guy I think you can pretty definitively call the Christian signing a total bust.
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Post by Cyno on Apr 1, 2021 17:48:00 GMT -5
More and more I'm thinking this is on Kenny. It'd probably help if he had some kind of direction right now beyond just, "Whine at the Bucks and have a match that he's obviously going to win then continue this feud with Moxley that was old months ago," but as it is everything with him just feels like a giant waste of time. Also while I love the guy I think you can pretty definitively call the Christian signing a total bust. Kenny's segments are typically among the highest rated in both viewership and demo, so it's not on him.
Also we'll need the breakdowns before jumping to that conclusion about Christian.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2021 17:58:29 GMT -5
I said it a few months ago but I think they went overboard with the special/themed shows and it could hurt them in the long run. There was something like 20 out of 50 weeks that had a special show. Now if a show doesn't have a special theme or tagline or isn't being hyped up as a free PPV type thing there's a danger some people won't bother tuning in. There's already been a bunch of comments online saying oh well, it was just a filler/cooldown episode anyway. If that was a filler episode then that's a little concerning. You had Christian's first TV match in 7 years, a wild main event gimmick match to end a long feud, Jericho/Inner Circle returning plus Omega/Moxley/Cody all in action. That should be more than enough content for a weekly pro wrestling show. If you've conditioned your audience to think that's a slow week or a skippable show then you're going to be in trouble long-term. You kinda have to see how the breakdown is before a full judgment, because for all we know Christian got real good viewership but then it decreased mid show. This has been the norm the last few weeks, good start, fans drift in the middle, come back for the end, which leads to these averages. I'm sure he did well. My point was that expectations are at an unrealistic level if a card with his first proper match in years, an insane gimmick match main event, a Bullet Club v Lucha Bros 6 man, a Shida/Tay tag match and Cody and Moxley matches is considered filler or weak. That looks like a more than fine card. Some of those wouldn't look out of place on PPV.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 1, 2021 18:02:43 GMT -5
You kinda have to see how the breakdown is before a full judgment, because for all we know Christian got real good viewership but then it decreased mid show. This has been the norm the last few weeks, good start, fans drift in the middle, come back for the end, which leads to these averages. I'm sure he did well. My point was that expectations are at an unrealistic level if a card with his first proper match in years, an insane gimmick match main event, a Bullet Club v Lucha Bros 6 man, a Shida/Tay tag match and Cody and Moxley matches is considered filler or weak. That looks like a more than fine card. Some of those wouldn't look out of place on PPV. You could argue that the expectations have been tailored to special shows, but it doesn't hurt to show people as they have the last three weeks that AEW is worth tuning in for weekly, so you see these things happen live Good news is a lot of fans are still tuning in within the 3 day period after the fact to get the viewership over a million anyway. But in the end what's really going to be interesting is seeing how AEW and NXT for that matter do on seperate days. AEW especially not only losing NXT but The Challenge in the same week, which is the top demo getter of Wednesday.
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Post by flowercity on Apr 1, 2021 18:03:53 GMT -5
Hmmmmmm
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 1, 2021 18:04:49 GMT -5
Also while I love the guy I think you can pretty definitively call the Christian signing a total bust. One match which was heavily praised as a good match but the average viewership for the show was 700k so he's a bust? I dont think AEW was bringing Christian in and expecting a million viewers, I think they brought him in to be a good backstage influence and also still be a great worker with the roster, and by all accounts it looks like that's going to work out. Far from a "bust", and calling someone a bust after one match anyway is a horrific stretch, especially when we haven't even seen the breakdowns yet.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 1, 2021 18:09:39 GMT -5
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Post by flowercity on Apr 1, 2021 18:14:08 GMT -5
Maybe people will take what i say about ratings seriously. It’s like i study it and know what i’m talking about. Think it’s clear Revolution did a lot of harm to the brand.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 1, 2021 18:23:53 GMT -5
Maybe people will take what i say about ratings seriously. It’s like i study it and know what i’m talking about. Think it’s clear Revolution did a lot of harm to the brand. Except oh wait, TNT sees AEW as a cornerstone of their brand, they just gave them a third cable show, and they're still a top 10 demo show... so it's almost like a couple weeks of 700k Average Viewership in the grand scheme of things... doesn't matter all that much. And it's actually viewership some brands and some shows would still kill for as a core, devoted fanbase. If they keep going down after NXT moves to Tuesdays, who is in the strongest build they've had in months leading to a TakeOver that's going to be on cable, then get back to me. Until then, I'm tired of certain wrestlers doing one thing or another or Revolution being cited as the reason AEW's numbers are slightly lower than usual. It's not worth the doom and gloom imo, but if others are worried that's their right.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Apr 1, 2021 18:28:57 GMT -5
When you get repeated weeks in the mid-700s, it's not an aberration - it's a trend. No matter how the core audience may enjoy the shows they're putting on, AEW's had a distinct downgrade in quality lately (Not of the individual episodes, those are all still excellent, but the ephemeral stuff, the feeling of momentum being created and things progressing) Omega's reign is not clicking because it hasn't been booked well. He beat Moxley on December 2nd and he's still feuding with him by April 1st. He went to Impact and Impact never came to him - that lightning bolt ending, "see you on Tuesday", was never properly followed up. He's feuding with the Impact world champion in a title vs title feud and nothing has been made of it on Dynamite. He's never dominated the show the way Jericho or Moxley would as champion (Even when they'd take weeks off). AEW feels like it's in a holding pattern, and it's completely unclear what for. This is an issue that needs to be addressed. Having said that everything is entirely fixable and AEW has had these periods before, so I don't see any great problems here. A thought did occur to me during last nights Dynamite as to basically “..who are we supposed to be getting behind?” I mean that in macro-terms as to “who’s the lead protagonist right now?” Because it shouldn’t be Mox. It feels like it sort of still is. But that doesn’t work considering everything. Generally speaking it is a bit concerning. And seems to be following the peak of the Shaq/Revolution week. I thought what they did last night was smart: Very spaced out, diverse-segmented show with a lot of new faces on screen. However the shows pace didn’t have the same urgency throughout. I actually think it felt like a confidently developed show. Now, if the ratings concern them, they have two courses of action: Mix shit up. Or stay the course. I definitely think they need to stay the course while ending/starting certain programs.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 1, 2021 18:35:08 GMT -5
When you get repeated weeks in the mid-700s, it's not an aberration - it's a trend. No matter how the core audience may enjoy the shows they're putting on, AEW's had a distinct downgrade in quality lately (Not of the individual episodes, those are all still excellent, but the ephemeral stuff, the feeling of momentum being created and things progressing) Omega's reign is not clicking because it hasn't been booked well. He beat Moxley on December 2nd and he's still feuding with him by April 1st. He went to Impact and Impact never came to him - that lightning bolt ending, "see you on Tuesday", was never properly followed up. He's feuding with the Impact world champion in a title vs title feud and nothing has been made of it on Dynamite. He's never dominated the show the way Jericho or Moxley would as champion (Even when they'd take weeks off). AEW feels like it's in a holding pattern, and it's completely unclear what for. This is an issue that needs to be addressed. Having said that everything is entirely fixable and AEW has had these periods before, so I don't see any great problems here. A thought did occur to me during last nights Dynamite as to basically “..who are we supposed to be getting behind?” I mean that in macro-terms as to “who’s the lead protagonist right now?” Because it shouldn’t be Mox. It feels like it sort of still is. But that doesn’t work considering everything. Generally speaking it is a bit concerning. And seems to be following the peak of the Shaq/Revolution week. I thought what they did last night was smart: Very spaced out, diverse-segmented show with a lot of new faces on screen. However the shows pace didn’t have the same urgency throughout. I actually think it felt like a confidently developed show. Now, if the ratings concern them, they have two courses of action: Mix shit up. Or stay the course. I definitely think they need to stay the course while ending/starting certain programs. Next week I believe ends on a big note, I think you write Mox out like he was supposed to be written out at Revolution, which is why this storyline has felt like it's drug on a bit. Then you go into your first unopposed show with the potential to set something up for Kenny that's new. Even if it's Kenny/Kingston which I think would be really cool.
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