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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Apr 1, 2021 18:36:20 GMT -5
I have just never bought that Revolution did a major harm to AEW. They did a relatively good buyrate but it does let's say 20K more than their usual show. Those people who usually buy the shows are their hardcore fanbase for the most part. I'm sure you may know someone who's bought every PPV and quit watching Dynamite because of that show. I'm sure they exist. But the drops we've seen in 18-49 have more been going from around 400K to around 360K with this week dipping below that. Meltzer's theory is that they've lost some female viewership due to the increase in blood and violence. That makes some sense to me. So when you have a slightly lower base, an off week becomes a .26 instead of a .29. I do think if you look at what went well on this show, a lot of it wasn't things you'd expect ahead of time (IC returning, the giant Cody/QT angle being this week, the returns in the main event). And I love Christian but I can see that being a DVRable match. Their great shows sometimes lead to a boost to the next week so I'm hoping for that but they also have their toughest competition on paper in a Takeover. They should ideally come out with a great card on paper in 2 weeks and hope for the best.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Apr 1, 2021 19:01:54 GMT -5
A thought did occur to me during last nights Dynamite as to basically “..who are we supposed to be getting behind?” I mean that in macro-terms as to “who’s the lead protagonist right now?” Because it shouldn’t be Mox. It feels like it sort of still is. But that doesn’t work considering everything. I can get behind this theory. Mox is in a place where he should be getting de-emphasized, but the other heroes are not doing super well - Hangman is winning a lot but is appearing sporadically and doesn't have a clear goal at the moment; the Dark Order are mostly showing up as background characters; the Bucks are focused on, but unlikable and potentially turning; the Inner Circle have just turned face by way of being the lesser evil, so there's not a lot of reason to root for them; Cody is wearing thin in a lot of ways; Penta and Fenix are just sort of existing near the top of the card without much forward movement - they're having a lot of good matches, but they are also having a lot of inconsequential matches, with even Penta's match with Cody amounting to a speedbump that led nowhere for Penta and barely had an effect on Cody. The Best Friends just got a big win in a good match that capped off a mediocre feud. The shows are pretty smooth and have a lot of good stuff, but the big heroes are a bit stalled.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 1, 2021 19:21:27 GMT -5
A thought did occur to me during last nights Dynamite as to basically “..who are we supposed to be getting behind?” I mean that in macro-terms as to “who’s the lead protagonist right now?” Because it shouldn’t be Mox. It feels like it sort of still is. But that doesn’t work considering everything. I can get behind this theory. Mox is in a place where he should be getting de-emphasized, but the other heroes are not doing super well - Hangman is winning a lot but is appearing sporadically and doesn't have a clear goal at the moment; the Dark Order are mostly showing up as background characters; the Bucks are focused on, but unlikable and potentially turning; the Inner Circle have just turned face by way of being the lesser evil, so there's not a lot of reason to root for them; Cody is wearing thin in a lot of ways; Penta and Fenix are just sort of existing near the top of the card without much forward movement - they're having a lot of good matches, but they are also having a lot of inconsequential matches, with even Penta's match with Cody amounting to a speedbump that led nowhere for Penta and barely had an effect on Cody. The Best Friends just got a big win in a good match that capped off a mediocre feud. The shows are pretty smooth and have a lot of good stuff, but the big heroes are a bit stalled. And really it;s because Moxley was supposed to be written out I feel, and Kingston was I assume supposed to take the lead reigns here for at least a short amount of time. I feel like that happens this week if The Bucks turn like I think is going to happen, and then things will move forward at a brisker pace. As then realistically, you have then Kingston and Death Triangle vs Omega's Club.
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Post by Dub H on Apr 1, 2021 19:31:08 GMT -5
More and more I'm thinking this is on Kenny. It'd probably help if he had some kind of direction right now beyond just, "Whine at the Bucks and have a match that he's obviously going to win," but as it is everything with him just feels like a giant waste of time. Also while I love the guy I think you can pretty definitively call the Christian signing a total bust. I definitely think The World Champs needs an actual title feud.
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Post by polarbearpete on Apr 1, 2021 19:44:33 GMT -5
I'm sure he did well. My point was that expectations are at an unrealistic level if a card with his first proper match in years, an insane gimmick match main event, a Bullet Club v Lucha Bros 6 man, a Shida/Tay tag match and Cody and Moxley matches is considered filler or weak. That looks like a more than fine card. Some of those wouldn't look out of place on PPV. You could argue that the expectations have been tailored to special shows, but it doesn't hurt to show people as they have the last three weeks that AEW is worth tuning in for weekly, so you see these things happen live Good news is a lot of fans are still tuning in within the 3 day period after the fact to get the viewership over a million anyway. But in the end what's really going to be interesting is seeing how AEW and NXT for that matter do on seperate days. AEW especially not only losing NXT but The Challenge in the same week, which is the top demo getter of Wednesday. Networks don’t care as much about the DVR viewership as those viewers are less valuable to advertisers since the assumption is most fast forward commercials.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Apr 1, 2021 20:00:11 GMT -5
A thought did occur to me during last nights Dynamite as to basically “..who are we supposed to be getting behind?” I mean that in macro-terms as to “who’s the lead protagonist right now?” Because it shouldn’t be Mox. It feels like it sort of still is. But that doesn’t work considering everything. The impression I got from the first couple post-Revolution shows was that Christian was being positioned as the next big challenger for the title. The latest Dynamites have shied away from more interaction between him and Omega, but they haven't really pushed any alternatives either.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2021 20:05:34 GMT -5
I can get behind this theory. Mox is in a place where he should be getting de-emphasized, but the other heroes are not doing super well - Hangman is winning a lot but is appearing sporadically and doesn't have a clear goal at the moment; the Dark Order are mostly showing up as background characters; the Bucks are focused on, but unlikable and potentially turning; the Inner Circle have just turned face by way of being the lesser evil, so there's not a lot of reason to root for them; Cody is wearing thin in a lot of ways; Penta and Fenix are just sort of existing near the top of the card without much forward movement - they're having a lot of good matches, but they are also having a lot of inconsequential matches, with even Penta's match with Cody amounting to a speedbump that led nowhere for Penta and barely had an effect on Cody. The Best Friends just got a big win in a good match that capped off a mediocre feud. The shows are pretty smooth and have a lot of good stuff, but the big heroes are a bit stalled. And really it;s because Moxley was supposed to be written out I feel, and Kingston was I assume supposed to take the lead reigns here for at least a short amount of time. I feel like that happens this week if The Bucks turn like I think is going to happen, and then things will move forward at a brisker pace. As then realistically, you have then Kingston and Death Triangle vs Omega's Club. If anything I'd think it's significantly more likely it was supposed to be a write-off for Kingston than Mox given he's the one who's out of the way at the moment and was taking the bullet. If they wanted to write Mox out they've had ample opportunity to.
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Post by Cyno on Apr 1, 2021 20:06:36 GMT -5
I feel like Omega is in a holding pattern right now until this Champion vs. Champion match against Rich Swann.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2021 20:17:40 GMT -5
I feel like Omega is in a holding pattern right now until this Champion vs. Champion match against Rich Swann. They could at least, like... Acknowledge it on Dynamite? Have Swann do a pretaped promo, have Kenny talk about it, like anything? As it is this whole Impact / AEW thing feels like it entirely exists to give more screentime to Gallows and Anderson and I feel like more screentime for Gallows and Anderson is about the last thing anyone anywhere needs.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 1, 2021 20:28:00 GMT -5
I feel like Omega is in a holding pattern right now until this Champion vs. Champion match against Rich Swann. They could at least, like... Acknowledge it on Dynamite? Have Swann do a pretaped promo, have Kenny talk about it, like anything? As it is this whole Impact / AEW thing feels like it entirely exists to give more screentime to Gallows and Anderson and I feel like more screentime for Gallows and Anderson is about the last thing anyone anywhere needs. I still think Good Brothers have been very solid in ring in AEW. Maybe it's just me but I just don't see them actively bringing down the product at all, they've been solid.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 1, 2021 20:28:45 GMT -5
And really it;s because Moxley was supposed to be written out I feel, and Kingston was I assume supposed to take the lead reigns here for at least a short amount of time. I feel like that happens this week if The Bucks turn like I think is going to happen, and then things will move forward at a brisker pace. As then realistically, you have then Kingston and Death Triangle vs Omega's Club. If anything I'd think it's significantly more likely it was supposed to be a write-off for Kingston than Mox given he's the one who's out of the way at the moment and was taking the bullet. If they wanted to write Mox out they've had ample opportunity to. They probably wanna take Mox out in a big way, you take Kingston out with the ankle thing, and if the Bucks turn this week, this is how you do it and establish a big turn officially... so I can see it all coming to a head this week.
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Post by Celgress on Apr 1, 2021 20:30:03 GMT -5
I do wonder if Kenny's heel run is too inside. Half of my group (in total there are over thirty of us, yeah I'm lucky) are causal fans. Much of the Kenny and Young Buck's stuff is going right over their heads because it is explained so poorly on air.
Edit - Oh, and of the half of us who are die-hards only myself and two other people watch Impact at all (only myself every week) so 90% have zero idea about champ v. champ coming up. Once again, AEW not telling this one on air is hurting their storyline.
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Post by moxfan1 on Apr 1, 2021 21:11:55 GMT -5
A thought did occur to me during last nights Dynamite as to basically “..who are we supposed to be getting behind?” I mean that in macro-terms as to “who’s the lead protagonist right now?” Because it shouldn’t be Mox. It feels like it sort of still is. But that doesn’t work considering everything. Generally speaking it is a bit concerning. And seems to be following the peak of the Shaq/Revolution week. I thought what they did last night was smart: Very spaced out, diverse-segmented show with a lot of new faces on screen. However the shows pace didn’t have the same urgency throughout. I actually think it felt like a confidently developed show. Now, if the ratings concern them, they have two courses of action: Mix shit up. Or stay the course. I definitely think they need to stay the course while ending/starting certain programs. Next week I believe ends on a big note, I think you write Mox out like he was supposed to be written out at Revolution, which is why this storyline has felt like it's drug on a bit. Then you go into your first unopposed show with the potential to set something up for Kenny that's new. Even if it's Kenny/Kingston which I think would be really cool. There would have been no way to write out Mox and not Kingston at Revolution. Kingston was the one on top of him taking most of the explosion. I think the point was he was saving Moxley and Kingston was going to be hurt. They did the Kingston injury angle to put the storyline all the way back in place. With ratings dropping the last thing AEW needs to do is take Moxley off tv. If they aren't gonna put title back on Moxley. Then yes he should move onto another storyline. With Omega feuding with someone new though.
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Post by moxfan1 on Apr 1, 2021 21:14:16 GMT -5
And really it;s because Moxley was supposed to be written out I feel, and Kingston was I assume supposed to take the lead reigns here for at least a short amount of time. I feel like that happens this week if The Bucks turn like I think is going to happen, and then things will move forward at a brisker pace. As then realistically, you have then Kingston and Death Triangle vs Omega's Club. If anything I'd think it's significantly more likely it was supposed to be a write-off for Kingston than Mox given he's the one who's out of the way at the moment and was taking the bullet. If they wanted to write Mox out they've had ample opportunity to. This exactly. The foot injury angle for Kingston was used to replace burns injury from Revolution.
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Post by moxfan1 on Apr 1, 2021 21:18:36 GMT -5
If anything I'd think it's significantly more likely it was supposed to be a write-off for Kingston than Mox given he's the one who's out of the way at the moment and was taking the bullet. If they wanted to write Mox out they've had ample opportunity to. They probably wanna take Mox out in a big way, you take Kingston out with the ankle thing, and if the Bucks turn this week, this is how you do it and establish a big turn officially... so I can see it all coming to a head this week. Bucks turning this week might write off Moxley for a few weeks. But all it's going to lead to then is Mox/Kingston vs Bucks at DON for tag titles. The story here isn't going to be some long term thing. If that's the case some monster character like Miro will lay out Mox and put him out of action. To build up Bucks and Mox teaming together. Leading to Bucks turning on Mox. That's type of storyline you set up for your next ppv.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 1, 2021 21:26:28 GMT -5
They probably wanna take Mox out in a big way, you take Kingston out with the ankle thing, and if the Bucks turn this week, this is how you do it and establish a big turn officially... so I can see it all coming to a head this week. Bucks turning this week might write off Moxley for a few weeks. But all it's going to lead to then is Mox/Kingston vs Bucks at DON for tag titles. The story here isn't going to be some long term thing. If that's the case some monster character like Miro will lay out Mox and put him out of action. To build up Bucks and Mox teaming together. Leading to Bucks turning on Mox. That's type of storyline you set up for your next ppv. If people think Kenny is the issue I'm throwing my hat in the ring and saying it's not Kenny that's the issue, it's more The Young Bucks doing this "Will they or won't they?" shit, so it's in their best interest to pick a side and pick it soon. Turning them this week definitvely gives The Death Triangle tag match more merit, potentially retiring SCU, Mox/Kingston. Then when it comes to Omega you can give him a new challenger potentialy.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 1, 2021 21:40:47 GMT -5
A thought did occur to me during last nights Dynamite as to basically “..who are we supposed to be getting behind?” I mean that in macro-terms as to “who’s the lead protagonist right now?” Because it shouldn’t be Mox. It feels like it sort of still is. But that doesn’t work considering everything. The impression I got from the first couple post-Revolution shows was that Christian was being positioned as the next big challenger for the title. The latest Dynamites have shied away from more interaction between him and Omega, but they haven't really pushed any alternatives either. It's because Christian recognized he has to build up a record, and people were crying that if he just immediately went into a world title match they'd be TNA-lite. I assume Christian's gonna get some high quality wins and then challenge Omega. At least they're staying to their logic of a rankings system and not immediately jumping into things. They have to conclude with Moxley or deviate his attention, which then will give Omega a new chellenger and by then Christian could be around 4-0 or 5-0 and seem like a legit contender.
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Post by moxfan1 on Apr 1, 2021 21:58:09 GMT -5
Bucks turning this week might write off Moxley for a few weeks. But all it's going to lead to then is Mox/Kingston vs Bucks at DON for tag titles. The story here isn't going to be some long term thing. If that's the case some monster character like Miro will lay out Mox and put him out of action. To build up Bucks and Mox teaming together. Leading to Bucks turning on Mox. That's type of storyline you set up for your next ppv. If people think Kenny is the issue I'm throwing my hat in the ring and saying it's not Kenny that's the issue, it's more The Young Bucks doing this "Will they or won't they?" shit, so it's in their best interest to pick a side and pick it soon. Turning them this week definitvely gives The Death Triangle tag match more merit, potentially retiring SCU, Mox/Kingston. Then when it comes to Omega you can give him a new challenger potentialy. Omega not the problem. His heel character as champion just isn't meant to go more then say 6 months. With current AEW roster structured like it is. Right now they are delaying things. Since it's too soon to start Omega/Page Double or Nothing feud. If you look at AEW history on tv. Ratings always went up and down based off how hot main event angle was. For example Cody/Jericho with Elite/Inner Circle stuff was hot. Then ratings dropped with Jericho was having feuds with Jungle Boy or Scorpio Sky. When they had Mox vs Jericho &Inner Circle feud. Well ratings went back up and product was hot again. Then when they did Mox/Hager or Mox/Cage stuff then ratings dropped again. Ratings went back up again in Mox/MJF feud and stayed good for Mox/Kingston that lead into Mox/Omega. In January ratings kinda dropped again with not much going on in main event scene. But once they really set up Mox/Omega match for Revolution. Well the ratings went back up. So like any good champion you need quality opponent that people care about. To make it good tv and get people invested. People aren't invested in main event angle now. Since it's Omega/Good Brothers and Bucks drama. With Mox/Kingston still involved. With people no longer invested in Mox/Omega. Since they know if Mox was going to win title back. They would have done it Revolution. Instead of having weak finish with Good Brothers inference. So if you want to get ratings back up. You need hot main event angle. They aren't doing Omega/Cody, Omega/Jericho or Omega/Sting and it's way too soon to do Omega/Christian. While I'm not sure Omega/Pac will be hot enough feud for ppv. So if Omega doesn't have the opponents. It's time for him to start feud with Adam Page and put him over at Double or Nothing.
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Post by moxfan1 on Apr 1, 2021 21:59:24 GMT -5
The impression I got from the first couple post-Revolution shows was that Christian was being positioned as the next big challenger for the title. The latest Dynamites have shied away from more interaction between him and Omega, but they haven't really pushed any alternatives either. It's because Christian recognized he has to build up a record, and people were crying that if he just immediately went into a world title match they'd be TNA-lite. I assume Christian's gonna get some high quality wins and then challenge Omega. At least they're staying to their logic of a rankings system and not immediately jumping into things. They have to conclude with Moxley or deviate his attention, which then will give Omega a new chellenger and by then Christian could be around 4-0 or 5-0 and seem like a legit contender. Adam Page is number 1 in rankings. That should be a hint of where things are going.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 1, 2021 22:02:30 GMT -5
It's because Christian recognized he has to build up a record, and people were crying that if he just immediately went into a world title match they'd be TNA-lite. I assume Christian's gonna get some high quality wins and then challenge Omega. At least they're staying to their logic of a rankings system and not immediately jumping into things. They have to conclude with Moxley or deviate his attention, which then will give Omega a new chellenger and by then Christian could be around 4-0 or 5-0 and seem like a legit contender. Adam Page is number 1 in rankings. That should be a hint of where things are going. You gotta have a definitive blowoff with Hangman/Dark Order and HFO though first imo. Unless you have someone like John Silver helm the feud going forward, there's potential to shift some things around but it felt like Dark Order HFO was heading towards a stadium stampede type of match
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