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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on May 3, 2021 15:53:37 GMT -5
I have no idea why they thought it was appropriate for Bubba the Love Sponge to be on there. Yeesh. They brought him on and he said he died loving another woman who wasn't his wife. Like regardless of the facts of the matter, that's not anyone's place to say but especially Bubba the f***ing Love Sponge. The whole cast of characters for this doc was really weird. Rosenberg had no place being here. Dan Soder had no place being here. It just didn't have the right people telling certain parts of the story. It also got major facts wrong. He wrestled Steamboat on TV several times before their Mania match. That clip of Vince saying goodbye to Randy took place before his WCW debut. The tone of it was also just all over the place. Like it felt like different producers made different parts of the doc. It's just a mess honestly. I don't mind covering dark stuff. But it didn't do it that well and it fit weirdly in the overall package of the story. Oh, and it ends with Rosenberg saying "he only had a 7 year run really but it was a great 7 years!" f*** off.
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Post by Legion on May 3, 2021 17:00:27 GMT -5
Definitely the worst so far.
Cut really strange, just jumping all over the place and lacking in any real focus.
I'm happy for them to go over the negative stuff when it's there - the Piper one didnt shy away and it made it very clear what was going on - but this one was very superficial especially when we got to the Gorgeous George stuff when it went totally insane. I wanted to know more about his mental health, not just that he was an abuser.
Definitely didnt need anywhere near that much, if any, Bubba.
Sidenote 1, when were the Jake scenes taped? Cos he looked great in this compared to how he looks on AEW
Sidenote 2, Luger looks so different, and while I understand he now does a lot to help others, I still hate him irrationally for what happened to poor Miss Elizabeth
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Post by madness50 on May 3, 2021 18:14:45 GMT -5
The tone was just so different. Wonder if that supposed heat between Vince and Randy still exists? I’ve never believed the stupid ass Stephanie rumors, but Vince brought back everybody at least once and Macho never came back even to have a farewell run. Imagine how cool it would have been to see Macho give a HOF speech or make an appearance at WrestleMania.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on May 3, 2021 21:54:11 GMT -5
It also treated his WCW run like a total afterthought. Dude was killing it pre knee injury with his Flair and DDP feuds. And he was starting to become more over than Hogan when he got hurt. He did some excellent work there and they couldn't admit it.
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Post by madness50 on May 3, 2021 23:31:48 GMT -5
It also treated his WCW run like a total afterthought. Dude was killing it pre knee injury with his Flair and DDP feuds. And he was starting to become more over than Hogan when he got hurt. He did some excellent work there and they couldn't admit it. Yeah they treated his WCW run like it was Bret’s run. Macho was doing some pretty good work in 1996-1997.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2021 23:43:48 GMT -5
I don’t care about the biographies as I feel I’ve heard all those stories before..
Most Wanted is fun even though reality tv is faker than wrestling. It’s cool seeing all those artifacts, the fact that guy had Kings heart attack shirt was kinda morbid.
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Post by James Fabiano on May 4, 2021 11:51:03 GMT -5
I don’t care about the biographies as I feel I’ve heard all those stories before.. Most Wanted is fun even though reality tv is faker than wrestling. It’s cool seeing all those artifacts, the fact that guy had Kings heart attack shirt was kinda morbid. Yeah, how did Dave get that shirt? I did watch the uncensored Lawler/Kaufman segment right after watching it. Here is something you may not have known....another guest on the same Letterman episode? Mister Rogers.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on May 4, 2021 12:52:17 GMT -5
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Post by Doctor Of Style on May 8, 2021 21:35:37 GMT -5
Another solid block of shows tonight. I miss Piper. It was cool seeing Gene LeBell again. He needs to go into the WWE Hall of Fame Legacy Wing. As for the treasure hunting show, I felt bad for that funeral museum guy. It clearly hurt him to let go of that urn but at least it's back home now. I wonder where that original Kane mask is now. Bruce Prichard said he has the Kane mask on his podcast.
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Post by The Heenan Family on May 9, 2021 0:58:41 GMT -5
Another solid block of shows tonight. I miss Piper. It was cool seeing Gene LeBell again. He needs to go into the WWE Hall of Fame Legacy Wing. As for the treasure hunting show, I felt bad for that funeral museum guy. It clearly hurt him to let go of that urn but at least it's back home now. I wonder where that original Kane mask is now. Bruce Prichard said he has the Kane mask on his podcast. Interesting. So either Bruce doesn't have the original mask or WWE knew where it was and weren't actually looking for it.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2021 13:13:29 GMT -5
Watching the treasures show, if I were one of the owners of an item, and they're trying to buy it from me, my first question would be "what are you going to do with my item? Is it going to be used for something and displayed where people can see it, or is it being buried in a warehouse somewhere never to be seen or heard of again?"
2nd, watching the lawler episode, are they acting like cwa/memphis was the wwe and the andy kaufman stuff happened in the wwe?
3rd, stephanie mcmahon somehow being an expert on wrestling history is pretty funny, andy kaufman is the reason we did lawrence taylor and was the birth of sports entertainment, etc
4th, the foley episode started, and stephanie says he "didn't look like a wwe superstar" because "professional wrestler" isn't allowed on this show I guess
this show is very "history started with the attitude era" and anything before that is ancient history needing to be explained
I enjoyed the lawler episode the best so far, because it was outside of the corporate wwe "we're the greatest and only company to have ever existed!" bubble, and lance russell's voice was there, bill apter was there explaining what magazines were, lol, lawler getting to mention "I was the king before the wwf ever started doing it...". Just nice seeing something outside of the wwe filter and not talking wwe corporate-speak like a normal person would talk
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Post by James Fabiano on May 9, 2021 13:25:20 GMT -5
The tone was just so different. Wonder if that supposed heat between Vince and Randy still exists? I’ve never believed the stupid ass Stephanie rumors, but Vince brought back everybody at least once and Macho never came back even to have a farewell run. Imagine how cool it would have been to see Macho give a HOF speech or make an appearance at WrestleMania. Nah he did something worse than that in Vince's eyes. He joined WCW. As for the tone, you can't win. With the deceased, you either should not speak I'll of the dead, or don't deify them because they are dead.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on May 9, 2021 13:29:53 GMT -5
I'm personally all for covering someone completely. I love Dark Side of the Ring for that reason. They rarely pull punches. But this both had a lot of people on the show that weren't there for the bad stuff and didn't really know what tone it wanted to set. Like you can cover Randy and his incredibly toxic relationships and I'm glad they had Stephanie Bellars there. But that piece was sort of in its own little world within this documentary. It's just so odd to go from that to them just talking about how Randy found piece in his later life. Like I don't know how to feel at that point. It was a mess.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2021 13:33:59 GMT -5
"that's the moment that cactus jack arrived at wwe, I can't imagine him without that flannel" as they show him from wcw on the screen without it, lol, and they can't explain that any other wrestling company existed apparently where he was cactus jack before the wwf, and they talk about mankind and dude love, without putting it in order, so you'd have to know all of this already and be a fan to be able to understand any of this as a viewer. They go on and on about mr socko, but not the mandible claw to explain that he's doing a hold and not just sticking a sock in the guy's mouth, etc.
I like the idea of the show and seeing people's collections and things like that, but the wwe filter this is all put through is hurting my head, lol
"mankind is the first character of mick foley in wwe, mankind is what made him a star", so they're acting like cactus jack pre-wwe never existed and he came later in the wwf
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Post by lildude8218 on May 9, 2021 18:08:12 GMT -5
Lawler: "King of the Ring was my debut in the WWF"
No it wasn't!
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2021 19:31:22 GMT -5
Lawler: "King of the Ring was my debut in the WWF" No it wasn't! Lawler debuted before the Royal Rumble on WWF TV.
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Post by Renslayer on May 9, 2021 19:36:18 GMT -5
GI Bro is a gimmick that looks like it's gonna be a mess, but Booker made it work. Shouts to him
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Post by James Fabiano on May 9, 2021 19:39:16 GMT -5
GI Bro is a gimmick that looks like it's gonna be a mess, but Booker made it work. Shouts to him It wasn't the joke it was made out to be in Russo WCW. Half hour in and this has been an interesting watch. P.S. the opening= probably the only time you'll see Benoit on A&E. Edit: GWF!!!! And Ox Baker was a cool guy.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2021 19:43:45 GMT -5
I gotta say, the Randy Savage documentary may have been this decade's "The Self Destruction of the Ultimate Warrior" now that I looked at it in full. I appreciate the efforts in presenting the less than savory parts of Savage, but the documentary just wanted to straight up destroy the image of Savage. Like, who cares about his accomplishments in the ring? He was a lunatic outside the ring that had no friends, was a sociopath and a control freak, and died unloved.
Again, Savage had some serious, serious problems. He was notoriously paranoid to the point he always carried a gun around him at all times. But, to sell short his accomplishments and make the good parts about his career how they affected Hulk Hogan... and how the bad parts of his career affected Hulk Hogan does his legacy a great disservice.
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Post by Renslayer on May 9, 2021 19:48:10 GMT -5
i know 2 hours is a lot, but i really wish these docs were at least a half hour longer. feels like there's even more room for exploration here
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