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Post by The Enforcer on Apr 6, 2021 15:01:21 GMT -5
Hold up.
The Catwoman film has sweet f*** all to do with the Batman films. Yes, Catwoman is a character from the Batman lore, but everything in that film has zero ties to the Batman series. Everything was changed. Heck, I can't even remember if that film took place in Gotham City or if Batman was even mentioned at all.
Supergirl... that's a huge stretch at best. It at least has some elements of the Superman lore, but I wouldn't call it part of the Superman film franchise.
And the whole adding up of the films ratings to get an average score just seems silly.
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Post by DSR on Apr 6, 2021 17:52:34 GMT -5
Hold up. The Catwoman film has sweet f*** all to do with the Batman films. Yes, Catwoman is a character from the Batman lore, but everything in that film has zero ties to the Batman series. Everything was changed. Heck, I can't even remember if that film took place in Gotham City or if Batman was even mentioned at all. As far as I can recall, the only connection between the Halle Berry Catwoman and the Batman lore at all is when someone is giving Halle a rundown of the history of cats giving people supernatural powers, there's a bunch of pictures dumped out on a table or something to support this history. One of the pictures is Michelle Pfeiffer in the catsuit from BATMAN RETURNS.
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Post by Welfare Willis on Apr 6, 2021 20:10:34 GMT -5
Cheetahmen, and it ain't even close.
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Post by Zaq "That Guy" Buzzkill on Apr 7, 2021 11:58:44 GMT -5
I think you'd have to give it to Fantastic Four. The best one of them is the one that wasn't even released. It really says something when people unironically think the Roger Corman version is the best.
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Apr 7, 2021 13:34:44 GMT -5
Might just be because even as kid I didn't care for Superman. But yea for me it is one of the worst superhero franchises. Now I haven't seen Batman v Superman or all of either cut of Justice League. But seen all the other Superman films.
Saw the first one at a drive in with my parents and even as a young kid I was bored with the film. I do enjoy 2 somewhat. And 3 is one I remember liking when I saw it in a theater. 4 was horrible,same with Superman Returns and Man of Steel.
I love the Corman FF film. Cause while it is very low budget at least it feels like the 60s comic. Plus thankfully the lady playing Sue Storm can act,Jessica Alba was horrible as Sue Storm. And most of that is she has never been a good actress. And how did Corman with 100th the budget of the next 2 FF films make a Thing that looked close to the comic. Sure Chilkis as the Thing was really the only good thing in the 2 FF films. But that costume looked like crap.
I own Fan4stic on Blu Ray. Only cause a buddy had moved into a rental place and found a crate of Blu rays in the closet. "You're the only person I know that owns a Blu Ray player so here." I tried watching it and it is better than the previous two films. But that is similar how it is better to have dog shit on one shoe instead of both shoes. No matter what ya got dog shit on your shoes.
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Post by HonkyTonkMan on Jan 17, 2024 5:37:26 GMT -5
The only good Superman movies that I've ever seen are the 15-part film serial from 1948 titled Superman, and its 1950 film serial sequel Atom Man vs. Superman (which had both starred Kirk Alyn as Kal-El / Clark Kent / Superman) and the first two Superman movies that had starred Christopher Reeve.
I absolutely despise the third and fourth Superman movies that had starred Christopher Reeve.
I absolutely dislike Superman Returns (2006) which had starred Brandon Routh in the leading role.
I absolutely loathe all of the Superman movies that have starred or co-starred Henry Cavill.
So yeah, the Superman movie franchise sadly isn't anywhere near as good as what it could have been.
I'm a fan of the syndicated 1952-1958 television series Adventures of Superman, which had starred George Reeves as Kal-El / Clark Kent / Superman.
I've seen all 104 episodes of Adventures of Superman.
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Jan 17, 2024 8:15:37 GMT -5
Superman in general seems to work as a TV character.
George Reeves, Dean Cain, Tom Welling and now Tyler Hoechlin have provided more compelling stories than the movies IMO.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jan 17, 2024 8:57:16 GMT -5
The only good Superman movies that I've ever seen are the 15-part film serial from 1948 titled Superman, and its 1950 film serial sequel Atom Man vs. Superman (which had both starred Kirk Alyn as Kal-El / Clark Kent / Superman) and the first two Superman movies that had starred Christopher Reeve. I absolutely despise the third and fourth Superman movies that had starred Christopher Reeve. I absolutely dislike Superman Returns (2006) which had starred Brandon Routh in the leading role. I absolutely loathe all of the Superman movies that have starred or co-starred Henry Cavill. So yeah, the Superman movie franchise sadly isn't anywhere near as good as what it could have been. I'm a fan of the syndicated 1952-1958 television series Adventures of Superman, which had starred George Reeves as Kal-El / Clark Kent / Superman. I've seen all 104 episodes of Adventures of Superman. Nice reply, bud. Was it worth bumping a three year old thread? Were you just searching 'Superman' in the search function? I'm not mad, just confused as to how and why this happened
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Post by Kalmia on Jan 17, 2024 9:00:53 GMT -5
I love the first Reeve movie. The second is one of those not particularly good, but fun to watch movies. 3 & 4 are awful. Returns is fine.
Although I dislike some decisions in Man of Steel, overall, I like it. BVS isn't a Superman movie, it's Superman forced into an awful Batman movie like forcing a square peg into a round hole that's on fire. Justice League (both versions) just exist and I find it difficult to have a strong opinion either way. They're the definition of "meh."
I agree that Superman often works best in serialised media. Movies (understandably) concentrate on the big events and the super powers while the serialised media can take the time to show more of what makes Superman, Superman.
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Post by tirtefaa on Jan 17, 2024 9:10:34 GMT -5
For some reason the studios have tried to take Superman in some kind of cynical direction. I have no idea why. Superman always worked as an inspiration for me. I absolutely LOVED the Fleischer cartoons of Superman growing up, and the first 2 Superman movies with Christopher Reeve were great. I even enjoy the 3rd movie for the fight with evil Superman.
But Man of Steel? Yeesh, that was just a depressing slog. No heroic journey I was invested in there.
Batman vs. Superman was laughable too. Under no circumstance would I ever believe that Superman would lose to Batman. While Batman is my preferred superhero, I don't think the two characters are relatable in tone, and if that ever was the case, I prefer it to be Batman being more lighthearted in tone like Superman, rather than the other way around.
....like seriously Batman would get absolutely crushed by Superman. That would have been preferable if they made that movie. Brooding angry Batman prepares for this epic battle, only for Superman to immediately tear him in half at the speed of light.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jan 17, 2024 9:44:18 GMT -5
For some reason the studios have tried to take Superman in some kind of cynical direction. I have no idea why. Superman always worked as an inspiration for me. I absolutely LOVED the Fleischer cartoons of Superman growing up, and the first 2 Superman movies with Christopher Reeve were great. I even enjoy the 3rd movie for the fight with evil Superman. But Man of Steel? Yeesh, that was just a depressing slog. No heroic journey I was invested in there. Batman vs. Superman was laughable too. Under no circumstance would I ever believe that Superman would lose to Batman. While Batman is my preferred superhero, I don't think the two characters are relatable in tone, and if that ever was the case, I prefer it to be Batman being more lighthearted in tone like Superman, rather than the other way around. ....like seriously Batman would get absolutely crushed by Superman. That would have been preferable if they made that movie. Brooding angry Batman prepares for this epic battle, only for Superman to immediately tear him in half at the speed of light. It's a holdover from the 80s and 90s when everything had to be cynical and dark, not some silly comic book movie. Which is absolute crap, Captain America isn't a million miles away from Superman personality wise and he's been nothing but a success in the MCU as that shining beacon. Even within DC, the first Shazam movie was a highlight, the character who was based on Supes and again, has that light, positive tone. It's the same logic that gave the X-Men the black suits, it might have fit the time but that was over 20 years ago, times change. It'd be like thinking the Adam West Batman was still the way to go in 1989 because it had been in the past.
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Post by OGBoardPoster2005 on Jan 17, 2024 10:03:40 GMT -5
The only good Superman movies that I've ever seen are the 15-part film serial from 1948 titled Superman, and its 1950 film serial sequel Atom Man vs. Superman (which had both starred Kirk Alyn as Kal-El / Clark Kent / Superman) and the first two Superman movies that had starred Christopher Reeve. I absolutely despise the third and fourth Superman movies that had starred Christopher Reeve. I absolutely dislike Superman Returns (2006) which had starred Brandon Routh in the leading role. I absolutely loathe all of the Superman movies that have starred or co-starred Henry Cavill. So yeah, the Superman movie franchise sadly isn't anywhere near as good as what it could have been. I'm a fan of the syndicated 1952-1958 television series Adventures of Superman, which had starred George Reeves as Kal-El / Clark Kent / Superman. I've seen all 104 episodes of Adventures of Superman. Nice reply, bud. Was it worth bumping a three year old thread? Were you just searching 'Superman' in the search function? I'm not mad, just confused as to how and why this happened Whatever it was I'll comment my opinion. Superman has had its ups and downs. The serials were well done for their era and the TV series was an iconic American classic. The 1978 film and its 1980 sequel were very well done as well for its time. Superman III isn't great but it isn't awful either. Superman IV is pretty damn brutal, Superman Returns was ok but definitely not what it needed to be and Man of Steel sucked. Superman: TAS was fine and the 1980s CBS show should have gotten more life. That was the first modern Superman series that made Luthor a businessman and less of a scientist. Far from the worst when Fantastic Four has never had any good films or series.
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Post by dirtyoldman on Jan 17, 2024 10:25:24 GMT -5
The fantastic Four had a good cartoon from the 60s i watched when i was a kid. No human torch as they were worried kids would set themeselves on fire.
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Post by thechase on Jan 17, 2024 10:31:09 GMT -5
The fantastic Four had a good cartoon from the 60s i watched when i was a kid. No human torch as they were worried kids would set themeselves on fire. The 'New Fantastic Four' with H.E.R.B.I.E The Robot was in the 70s, and the concern over kids lighting themselves on fire is a myth. It was due to legal wranglings because the Human Torch licence had been opted independently to another company for a potential movie (as another character was known as the Human Torch during the 40s)
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Post by dirtyoldman on Jan 17, 2024 12:15:19 GMT -5
The fantastic Four had a good cartoon from the 60s i watched when i was a kid. No human torch as they were worried kids would set themeselves on fire. The 'New Fantastic Four' with H.E.R.B.I.E The Robot was in the 70s, and the concern over kids lighting themselves on fire is a myth. It was due to legal wranglings because the Human Torch licence had been opted independently to another company for a potential movie (as another character was known as the Human Torch during the 40s) I stand corrected. Thank you, good sir.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jan 17, 2024 15:49:40 GMT -5
Honestly you could use the same argument at the core of that article (which was three years ago, weird as hell this was bumped but whatever) to argue that Star Wars is the worst series ever. 12 theatrical movies and only A New Hope, Empire Strikes Back, and Rogue One seem to really be universally acclaimed while every other one is a lot more controversial with many of them being outright despised.
This is absolutely a stupid argument, mind you, but it's the same underlying logic.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jan 17, 2024 17:08:57 GMT -5
Why take a three year old trash poll that no one remembers seriously? Superman is actually an easy character to write if you give him cosmic level villains to fight that can hurt Kryptonians. Most of the tension in Superman stories are built around whether or not he can save his friends anyway. All you need is a Clark Kent who feels good when he helps people, a strong bad guy like Metallo or Bizarro or whatever, a decent Lois, and a Jimmy Olsen that’s likable and doesn’t get headshotted in the first twenty minutes, Zack.
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Post by James Fabiano on Jan 17, 2024 18:45:47 GMT -5
The fantastic Four had a good cartoon from the 60s i watched when i was a kid. No human torch as they were worried kids would set themeselves on fire. The 'New Fantastic Four' with H.E.R.B.I.E The Robot was in the 70s, and the concern over kids lighting themselves on fire is a myth. It was due to legal wranglings because the Human Torch licence had been opted independently to another company for a potential movie (as another character was known as the Human Torch during the 40s) And the 90s animated series gets good by the second season.
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Post by DSR on Jan 17, 2024 19:12:05 GMT -5
The 'New Fantastic Four' with H.E.R.B.I.E The Robot was in the 70s, and the concern over kids lighting themselves on fire is a myth. It was due to legal wranglings because the Human Torch licence had been opted independently to another company for a potential movie (as another character was known as the Human Torch during the 40s) And the 90s animated series gets good by the second season. But season 1 had this epic rap!
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Jan 17, 2024 19:18:17 GMT -5
The 'New Fantastic Four' with H.E.R.B.I.E The Robot was in the 70s, and the concern over kids lighting themselves on fire is a myth. It was due to legal wranglings because the Human Torch licence had been opted independently to another company for a potential movie (as another character was known as the Human Torch during the 40s) And the 90s animated series gets good by the second season. How dare you! The first season of 90's Fantastic Four was AMAZING!!!
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