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Post by lucas_lee on Apr 6, 2021 13:38:06 GMT -5
Man theyre gonna catch flak for this one. Considering his criminal past and such
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Post by lucas_lee on Apr 6, 2021 13:39:02 GMT -5
By all accounts this should see AEW see a slight bump in ratings when Tyson shows up, though it's interesting to see it announced only a day in advance, maybe the deal was only finalized today. It's still a decent counter to TakeOver though Is it worth it though to use Tyson, with all the flak NJPW is catching for crowning Ospreay champion, Tyson who was convicted and did time for something really bad. They might lose the moral high ground
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 6, 2021 13:40:08 GMT -5
Meh. Last appearance led to a whole lot of nothing. Really not interested in part 2. Agreed. His last appearance was completely inconsequential, and AEW really shouldn't resort to stunt booking to counter-program against a sure-thing in NXT's Takeover shows leading into WrestleMania weekend. From a business standpoint, I'd just eat the L for the one week and get right back to it the following week...or you know, maybe book some matches that people actually want to see even from a casual standpoint (ie should've saved that Shaq match for this week, or hell put him up against Big Show!). It might've been inconsequential but it still drew a huge rating. If it makes sense to a storyline then I say go for it. It doesnt hurt to try and get some ratings vs a strong show, especially since last few weeks they'd been a bit lower than their normal number. Momentum heading into unopposed shows isn't a bad idea.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Apr 6, 2021 13:43:33 GMT -5
Man theyre gonna catch flak for this one. Considering his criminal past and such I mean not really. Mike Tyson is literally everywhere in pop culture. You can argue the ethics of it if you like but I don't recall any blow black the last the time he was on or when he's been on anywhere else.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 6, 2021 13:43:41 GMT -5
By all accounts this should see AEW see a slight bump in ratings when Tyson shows up, though it's interesting to see it announced only a day in advance, maybe the deal was only finalized today. It's still a decent counter to TakeOver though Is it worth it though to use Tyson, with all the flak NJPW is catching for crowning Ospreay champion, Tyson who was convicted and did time for something really bad. They might lose the moral high ground They literally used Tyson months ago for a PPV and for Dynamite. There was zero blowback. Tyson did what he did and served time for it, it's not like he got away with it or it's a fresh new thing. We went in circles about this months ago. Everyone still uses Tyson, from Boxing, to animation with Mike Tyson Mysteries, to celebrity appearances like him promoting Animal Planets entire shark week. I dont think AEW is worried about this.
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Post by lucas_lee on Apr 6, 2021 13:44:35 GMT -5
Is it worth it though to use Tyson, with all the flak NJPW is catching for crowning Ospreay champion, Tyson who was convicted and did time for something really bad. They might lose the moral high ground They literally used Tyson months ago for a PPV and for Dynamite. Tyson did what he did and served time for it, it's not like he got away with it or it's a fresh new thing. We went in circles about this months ago. Everyone still uses Tyson, from Boxing, to animation with Mike Tyson Mysteries, to celebrity appearances like him promoting Animal Planets entire shark week. I dont think AEW is worried about this. I'm in the camp that he did his time. But if they do catch any flak for it. Its semi well deserved on this one.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 6, 2021 13:46:25 GMT -5
They literally used Tyson months ago for a PPV and for Dynamite. Tyson did what he did and served time for it, it's not like he got away with it or it's a fresh new thing. We went in circles about this months ago. Everyone still uses Tyson, from Boxing, to animation with Mike Tyson Mysteries, to celebrity appearances like him promoting Animal Planets entire shark week. I dont think AEW is worried about this. I'm in the camp that he did his time. But if they do catch any flak for it. Its semi well deserved on this one. Tyson's been everywhere from talk shows to cartoons to movies to music videos to Shark Week. If AEW are the only ones to catch flack for using Tyson it'd be hypocritical imo. Tyson's been revered as a pop culture icon for decades despite what he's done. And again, AEW used him months ago... so idk how this would suddenly be an issue now.
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Post by lucas_lee on Apr 6, 2021 13:48:59 GMT -5
I'm in the camp that he did his time. But if they do catch any flak for it. Its semi well deserved on this one. Tyson's been everywhere from talk shows to cartoons to movies to music videos to Shark Week. If AEW are the only ones to catch flack for using Tyson it'd be hypocritical imo. Tyson's been revered as a pop culture icon for decades despite what he's done. And again, AEW used him months ago... so idk how this would suddenly be an issue now. Its hypocritical because they portray themselves as a safe space progressive company. How progressive is it to have a convicted rapist on the show? We get on nXt and NJPW for not canning folks, we should AEW to the same high standard.
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Post by markymark on Apr 6, 2021 13:51:13 GMT -5
By all accounts this should see AEW see a slight bump in ratings when Tyson shows up, though it's interesting to see it announced only a day in advance, maybe the deal was only finalized today. It's still a decent counter to TakeOver though Is it worth it though to use Tyson, with all the flak NJPW is catching for crowning Ospreay champion, Tyson who was convicted and did time for something really bad. They might lose the moral high ground
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Post by lucas_lee on Apr 6, 2021 13:54:28 GMT -5
Is it worth it though to use Tyson, with all the flak NJPW is catching for crowning Ospreay champion, Tyson who was convicted and did time for something really bad. They might lose the moral high ground Thats actually really funny
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 6, 2021 13:55:28 GMT -5
Tyson's been everywhere from talk shows to cartoons to movies to music videos to Shark Week. If AEW are the only ones to catch flack for using Tyson it'd be hypocritical imo. Tyson's been revered as a pop culture icon for decades despite what he's done. And again, AEW used him months ago... so idk how this would suddenly be an issue now. Its hypocritical because they portray themselves as a safe space progressive company. How progressive is it to have a convicted rapist on the show? We get on nXt and NJPW for not canning folks, we should AEW to the same high standard. It's simply not that serious. I get what Tyson did, if he was still problematic then I doubt AEW would be doing anything with him, but imo if you hold something to what they did almost 30 years ago when they have served time and done nothing since, idk if you're really being "progressive", that's just basically saying people can never change and learn from their past. If the most popular medias and companies in the world aren't holding Tyson to what he did, then why is AEW under your microscope?
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Apr 6, 2021 13:56:36 GMT -5
Tyson's been everywhere from talk shows to cartoons to movies to music videos to Shark Week. If AEW are the only ones to catch flack for using Tyson it'd be hypocritical imo. Tyson's been revered as a pop culture icon for decades despite what he's done. And again, AEW used him months ago... so idk how this would suddenly be an issue now. Its hypocritical because they portray themselves as a safe space progressive company. How progressive is it to have a convicted rapist on the show? We get on nXt and NJPW for not canning folks, we should AEW to the same high standard. I don't know, it all depends on how you define progressive. Is it progressive to never hire someone convicted of a crime? Probably not. To me it's a grey area. But in theory, someone who serves time paid their debt to society. Doesn't mean you need to be completely comfortable with them as a television character. As a victim of sexual assault myself, I get that. But I also think there's a line where if someone did pay the price for it, there also needs to be ways for them to rehabilitate themselves back into society. Part of Mike's charm is how he's turned his life around and people like a celebrating a comeback story.
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Post by Facetious on Apr 6, 2021 13:56:57 GMT -5
He didn't add much last time other than that stupid confrontation with Jericho so I'm not too interested. Pretty weak counter promotion considering it's the day before, but whatevs
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Post by The Ichi on Apr 6, 2021 13:56:59 GMT -5
The difference is time past without repeat offenses for me. Tyson did his time and has behaved since then. I think it's up to people whether to forgive him or not, but I'm okay with companies working with him.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2021 13:59:59 GMT -5
No thank you...
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 6, 2021 14:00:35 GMT -5
He didn't add much last time other than that stupid confrontation with Jericho so I'm not too interested. Pretty weak counter promotion considering it's the day before, but whatevs AEW likes learning from their past if something was weak the first time around, which I feel like some people forget. I'm not saying that'll happen with Tyson but they've learned a lot especially even with presenting guests since Tyson was there.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 6, 2021 14:01:03 GMT -5
It's because he doesn't have a Jetpack, isn't it?
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Post by lucas_lee on Apr 6, 2021 14:01:45 GMT -5
Its hypocritical because they portray themselves as a safe space progressive company. How progressive is it to have a convicted rapist on the show? We get on nXt and NJPW for not canning folks, we should AEW to the same high standard. I don't know, it all depends on how you define progressive. Is it progressive to never hire someone convicted of a crime? Probably not. To me it's a grey area. But in theory, someone who serves time paid their debt to society. Doesn't mean you need to be completely comfortable with them as a television character. As a victim of sexual assault myself, I get that. But I also think there's a line where if someone did pay the price for it, there also needs to be ways for them to rehabilitate themselves back into society. Part of Mike's charm is how he's turned his life around and people like a celebrating a comeback story. Yeah, I can admit I like Mike's story. I do feel bad his victim kind of fell into obscurity without her voice being heard and such. I would be uncomfortable if WWE inducted Lawrence Taylor into their HOF for what he did. For me its a great discussion to have that couldn't be held with NJPW because the feeling are very raw with Will.
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Post by eJm on Apr 6, 2021 14:02:27 GMT -5
Man theyre gonna catch flak for this one. Considering his criminal past and such I mean not really. Mike Tyson is literally everywhere in pop culture. You can argue the ethics of it if you like but I don't recall any blow black the last the time he was on or when he's been on anywhere else. I mean, the company who owns the network they’re airing on made a 3 season cartoon that he starred and voiced that was basically an adult Scooby Doo/Funky Phantom...thing. So we’re sort of passed the point of being annoyed AEW are doing anything with him.
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Post by Facetious on Apr 6, 2021 14:05:04 GMT -5
He didn't add much last time other than that stupid confrontation with Jericho so I'm not too interested. Pretty weak counter promotion considering it's the day before, but whatevs AEW likes learning from their past if something was weak the first time around, which I feel like some people forget. I'm not saying that'll happen with Tyson but they've learned a lot especially even with presenting guests since Tyson was there. Oh for sure. I enjoy being wrong when I'm down on something. Just don't let Mike's posse out there lol
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