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Post by They Adam Bradley on Apr 6, 2021 22:29:09 GMT -5
Got to love it.. tony khan won’t let any of “his guys” appear at any events that might be connected to any of the “speaking out” movement alleged guys .....yet he has no problem with paying I assume a large sum of money for a convicted rapist to appear on his shows? Hypocrisy looks great on you Tony. If this offends some, so be it.....people defending him on Twitter saying it was 30 years ago. Smh and shame on AEW!
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 6, 2021 22:36:38 GMT -5
Got to love it.. tony khan won’t let any of “his guys” appear at any events that might be connected to any of the “speaking out” movement alleged guys .....yet he has no problem with paying I assume a large sum of money for a convicted rapist to appear on his shows? Hypocrisy looks great on you Tony. If this offends some, so be it.....people defending him on Twitter saying it was 30 years ago. Smh and shame on AEW! Tyson committing a crime he served time for 30 years ago is not comparable to the current alleged wrestlers pinpointed in SpeakingOut. The SpeakingOut guys who were alleged were recent and ongoing, Tyson was convicted but he also did his time and has not committed a crime since, which is why he is currently a pop culture icon still, and treated as a comeback story and not blackballed from any industry. So are you also saying shame on literally the entire rest of the world too then? Because the world of boxing, talk shows, movies, animation, and large conglomorates and companies have also paid Tyson large sums of money to appear on their stage as well, and have for years.
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Post by lucas_lee on Apr 6, 2021 23:21:46 GMT -5
Its hypocritical because they portray themselves as a safe space progressive company. How progressive is it to have a convicted rapist on the show? We get on nXt and NJPW for not canning folks, we should AEW to the same high standard. A company not cutting people with live, active accusations against them from their full time payroll is not the same as a company bringing in someone convicted decades ago for a one-off. Or we could be equally outraged by both.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 7, 2021 0:05:22 GMT -5
A company not cutting people with live, active accusations against them from their full time payroll is not the same as a company bringing in someone convicted decades ago for a one-off. Or we could be equally outraged by both. Why would there be "equal outrage" over something like Velveteen Dream who is an alleged active sexual predator on the WWE/NXT roster and payroll, and AEW bringing in someone who did something terrible 30 years ago, served time for it, and hasn't done anything terrible since, where literally everyone has used him in pop culture and media especially within the last decade? It's not wrong to be upset at Tyson for his past actions, but this comparison people are trying to make isn't the same. If Tyson was still actively a piece of shit and had continued to do this? This is a different story. Tyson didn't get away with anything like some actively are trying to, he did time, and he has been clean since. For a LONG time. Or this wouldn't be happening. Not with AEW, or with any media that has featured him over the last decade especially, which has been A LOT.
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Post by Rave on Apr 7, 2021 0:11:42 GMT -5
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Post by lucas_lee on Apr 7, 2021 0:15:30 GMT -5
Or we could be equally outraged by both. Why would there be "equal outrage" over something like Velveteen Dream who is an alleged active sexual predator on the WWE/NXT roster and payroll, and AEW bringing in someone who did something terrible 30 years ago, served time for it, and hasn't done anything terrible since, where literally everyone has used him in pop culture and media especially within the last decade? It's not wrong to be upset at Tyson for his past actions, but this comparison people are trying to make isn't the same. If Tyson was still actively a piece of shit and had continued to do this? This is a different story. Tyson didn't get away with anything like some actively are trying to, he did time, and he has been clean since. For a LONG time. Or this wouldn't be happening. Not with AEW, or with any media that has featured him over the last decade especially, which has been A LOT. Very true with that. I still like Mike Tyson and such I just find it hypocritical AEW is using him with their company mantra of "progressiveness" we're gonna agree to disagree on this one
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 7, 2021 0:25:21 GMT -5
Why would there be "equal outrage" over something like Velveteen Dream who is an alleged active sexual predator on the WWE/NXT roster and payroll, and AEW bringing in someone who did something terrible 30 years ago, served time for it, and hasn't done anything terrible since, where literally everyone has used him in pop culture and media especially within the last decade? It's not wrong to be upset at Tyson for his past actions, but this comparison people are trying to make isn't the same. If Tyson was still actively a piece of shit and had continued to do this? This is a different story. Tyson didn't get away with anything like some actively are trying to, he did time, and he has been clean since. For a LONG time. Or this wouldn't be happening. Not with AEW, or with any media that has featured him over the last decade especially, which has been A LOT. Very true with that. I still like Mike Tyson and such I just find it hypocritical AEW is using him with their company mantra of "progressiveness" we're gonna agree to disagree on this one If it were more recent, I'd have an issue, but I just don't think it's right to hold someone to something from 30 years ago. I don't think it's hypocritical of AEW to use him, I also don't think it goes the idea of them being a "progressive" company when everyone has used Tyson and Tyson has had to do a lot to re-earn his trust and second chances with the media at large. But fair enough.
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Post by Cyno on Apr 7, 2021 0:26:35 GMT -5
Got to love it.. tony khan won’t let any of “his guys” appear at any events that might be connected to any of the “speaking out” movement alleged guys .....yet he has no problem with paying I assume a large sum of money for a convicted rapist to appear on his shows? Hypocrisy looks great on you Tony. If this offends some, so be it.....people defending him on Twitter saying it was 30 years ago. Smh and shame on AEW! Tyson committing a crime he served time for 30 years ago is not comparable to the current alleged wrestlers pinpointed in SpeakingOut. The SpeakingOut guys who were alleged were recent and ongoing, Tyson was convicted but he also did his time and has not committed a crime since, which is why he is currently a pop culture icon still, and treated as a comeback story and not blackballed from any industry. So are you also saying shame on literally the entire rest of the world too then? Because the world of boxing, talk shows, movies, animation, and large conglomorates and companies have also paid Tyson large sums of money to appear on their stage as well, and have for years. Tyson served his time, and has been a model citizen since. Joey Ryan is a serial offender who has been accused of multiple sexual assaults, is running "charity shows" using borderline fraudulent organizations, and is using threats of lawsuits to silence his accusers as well as intimidating companies that no longer want to use him.
The two aren't even in the same solar system.
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Post by lucas_lee on Apr 7, 2021 0:31:10 GMT -5
Tyson committing a crime he served time for 30 years ago is not comparable to the current alleged wrestlers pinpointed in SpeakingOut. The SpeakingOut guys who were alleged were recent and ongoing, Tyson was convicted but he also did his time and has not committed a crime since, which is why he is currently a pop culture icon still, and treated as a comeback story and not blackballed from any industry. So are you also saying shame on literally the entire rest of the world too then? Because the world of boxing, talk shows, movies, animation, and large conglomorates and companies have also paid Tyson large sums of money to appear on their stage as well, and have for years. Tyson served his time, and has been a model citizen since. Joey Ryan is a serial offender who has been accused of multiple sexual assaults, is running "charity shows" using borderline fraudulent organizations, and is using threats of lawsuits to silence his accusers as well as intimidating companies that no longer want to use him.
The two aren't even in the same solar system.
I dont agree with what the OP of this line thread said. Joey Ryan on that show in question lied about his involvement. If wrestlers that signed up knew about him being there, they wouldve not signed up
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Post by They Adam Bradley on Apr 7, 2021 0:35:34 GMT -5
Very true with that. I still like Mike Tyson and such I just find it hypocritical AEW is using him with their company mantra of "progressiveness" we're gonna agree to disagree on this one If it were more recent, I'd have an issue, but I just don't think it's right to hold someone to something from 30 years ago. I don't think it's hypocritical of AEW to use him, I also don't think it goes the idea of them being a "progressive" company when everyone has used Tyson and Tyson has had to do a lot to re-earn his trust and second chances with the media at large. But fair enough. So because he did this crime 30 years ago, makes it not as bad? Dude served less than 3 years. I will never understand how someone can say “well it was awhile ago, he did his time” Imagine if it was your daughter or mother he did that to. Just plain pathetic in my book
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Post by They Adam Bradley on Apr 7, 2021 0:40:27 GMT -5
Why would there be "equal outrage" over something like Velveteen Dream who is an alleged active sexual predator on the WWE/NXT roster and payroll, and AEW bringing in someone who did something terrible 30 years ago, served time for it, and hasn't done anything terrible since, where literally everyone has used him in pop culture and media especially within the last decade? It's not wrong to be upset at Tyson for his past actions, but this comparison people are trying to make isn't the same. If Tyson was still actively a piece of shit and had continued to do this? This is a different story. Tyson didn't get away with anything like some actively are trying to, he did time, and he has been clean since. For a LONG time. Or this wouldn't be happening. Not with AEW, or with any media that has featured him over the last decade especially, which has been A LOT. Very true with that. I still like Mike Tyson and such I just find it hypocritical AEW is using him with their company mantra of "progressiveness" we're gonna agree to disagree on this one Again...”it was in the past, he’s such a good boy now” I have a buddy who’s locked up over child support and he will end up doing more time than what Tyson did for raping a woman. People act like he did time for growing weed or something small. Again, if this was a loved one of yours he did this to, you would forget about it just because Tyson served his time? Smh
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Post by They Adam Bradley on Apr 7, 2021 0:49:20 GMT -5
Tyson committing a crime he served time for 30 years ago is not comparable to the current alleged wrestlers pinpointed in SpeakingOut. The SpeakingOut guys who were alleged were recent and ongoing, Tyson was convicted but he also did his time and has not committed a crime since, which is why he is currently a pop culture icon still, and treated as a comeback story and not blackballed from any industry. So are you also saying shame on literally the entire rest of the world too then? Because the world of boxing, talk shows, movies, animation, and large conglomorates and companies have also paid Tyson large sums of money to appear on their stage as well, and have for years. Tyson served his time, and has been a model citizen since. Joey Ryan is a serial offender who has been accused of multiple sexual assaults, is running "charity shows" using borderline fraudulent organizations, and is using threats of lawsuits to silence his accusers as well as intimidating companies that no longer want to use him.
The two aren't even in the same solar system.
Ok so let me get this straight...somehow what Joey Ryan is being ACCUSED of (whether it’s all true or not) is somehow worse, than a documented and convicted felony case for raping a woman Mike Tyson. You used the magic words for Joey Ryan... “accused of” there’s been no criminal action taken against him. Joey Ryan may be a piece of shit, but 10000000 allegations are just that...allegations and, no amount of allegations will ever be worse than what Tyson was convicted of. I also love how you assume Tyson has been a “model citizen” since then....how do you know this? Just becuase he hasn’t been arrested for rape again? If you want to go back to allegations. You can google Tysons name and read some of the recent stories about Him over the last 20 years that maybe might change your mind. Those as well are allegations. Please don’t ever tell me somehow that accusations of Joey Ryan being a piece of shit, are somehow worse than Mine Tyson RAPING a woman.
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Post by lucas_lee on Apr 7, 2021 0:58:12 GMT -5
If it were more recent, I'd have an issue, but I just don't think it's right to hold someone to something from 30 years ago. I don't think it's hypocritical of AEW to use him, I also don't think it goes the idea of them being a "progressive" company when everyone has used Tyson and Tyson has had to do a lot to re-earn his trust and second chances with the media at large. But fair enough. So because he did this crime 30 years ago, makes it not as bad? Dude served less than 3 years. I will never understand how someone can say “well it was awhile ago, he did his time” Imagine if it was your daughter or mother he did that to. Just plain pathetic in my book To strengthen your arguement its not like he didn't get in trouble after he served his time. He was pretty effed up on drugs until fairly recently and was skirting with brushes with the law
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Apr 7, 2021 0:59:41 GMT -5
I’m not trying to stop a discussion here but I am asking everyone to just take a few breaths and maybe think about what you post before you reply.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Apr 7, 2021 1:34:09 GMT -5
A company not cutting people with live, active accusations against them from their full time payroll is not the same as a company bringing in someone convicted decades ago for a one-off. Or we could be equally outraged by both. But they aren't equal situations. That's the entire point of what I'm saying. You're sitting here saying that people should be madder about something that you yourself admittedly don't have an issue with. Unless you also think that Velveteen Dream being able to groom teenagers and Triple H defending him is no big deal then you're pretty directly expressing the implications that they aren't issues you yourself are even equally outraged with. So what, exactly is the point you're making?
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Post by lucas_lee on Apr 7, 2021 1:58:39 GMT -5
Or we could be equally outraged by both. But they aren't equal situations. That's the entire point of what I'm saying. You're sitting here saying that people should be madder about something that you yourself admittedly don't have an issue with. Unless you also think that Velveteen Dream being able to groom teenagers and Triple H defending him is no big deal then you're pretty directly expressing the implications that they aren't issues you yourself are even equally outraged with. So what, exactly is the point you're making? I'm just saying that the selective outrage is pretty bad when it comes to AEW. I feel like we give them excuses and such when they do wrong and my point is we should hold them up to task
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Post by Cyno on Apr 7, 2021 2:03:40 GMT -5
There is no selective outrage here. No one's ever gotten any noteworthy backlash from using Tyson whether that's The Hangover, Mike Tyson Mysteries, or guest appearances all over the place. Hell, he's a core part of one of the most significant moments of modern wrestling history when Stone Cold Steve Austin won his first ever WWF Championship.
If anything, this is holding AEW to a ridiculously high standard while giving the rest of the entertainment industry a free pass.
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Post by lucas_lee on Apr 7, 2021 2:21:02 GMT -5
There is no selective outrage here. No one's ever gotten any noteworthy backlash from using Tyson whether that's The Hangover, Mike Tyson Mysteries, or guest appearances all over the place. Hell, he's a core part of one of the most significant moments of modern wrestling history when Stone Cold Steve Austin won his first ever WWF Championship. If anything, this is holding AEW to a ridiculously high standard while giving the rest of the entertainment industry a free pass. You actually have a good point there. Im bowing out of this topic
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Post by 3cheers4ramirez on Apr 7, 2021 2:27:02 GMT -5
A reminder that Mike Tyson has always maintained his innocence and never apologised to the woman he was convicted of raping. Which would usually be considered a starting point for 'repaying your debt to society'.
Ultimately, this isn't really an AEW issue - as has been mentioned, society as a whole has largely deemed it ok for Mike Tyson to resume his career fully.
However, what people don't need to be doing is bending themselves in knots trying to make out that there's a coherant moral logic to this. In no other circumstance would you be arguing that using an unrepentant convicted rapist is somehow better than using someone else who's been accused but never convicted or even arrested.
Reality is, no it doesn't make a huge amount of sense, but people like Mike and it was a while ago so here we go.
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Post by Dub H on Apr 7, 2021 3:51:57 GMT -5
Why would there be "equal outrage" over something like Velveteen Dream who is an alleged active sexual predator on the WWE/NXT roster and payroll, and AEW bringing in someone who did something terrible 30 years ago, served time for it, and hasn't done anything terrible since, where literally everyone has used him in pop culture and media especially within the last decade? It's not wrong to be upset at Tyson for his past actions, but this comparison people are trying to make isn't the same. If Tyson was still actively a piece of shit and had continued to do this? This is a different story. Tyson didn't get away with anything like some actively are trying to, he did time, and he has been clean since. For a LONG time. Or this wouldn't be happening. Not with AEW, or with any media that has featured him over the last decade especially, which has been A LOT. Very true with that. I still like Mike Tyson and such I just find it hypocritical AEW is using him with their company mantra of "progressiveness" we're gonna agree to disagree on this one Short of the Hearing Sensivity inclused AEW never sold any mantra of progressiveness. Any way the topic if Mike Tyson has paid his dues and if society should forgive him feels like a heavy topic for here,even if I think both sidrs have show legit arguments
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