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Post by The Ichi on Apr 7, 2021 4:26:32 GMT -5
Yeah, the only so-called mantra of being "progressive" I've ever seen is the Hearing Sensitivity thing. Which is just a thing they do that rightly gets praised and that I've never seen them pat themselves on the back for.
I guess you could also include having a transgender wrestler, but (unless I've missed it) it's never been brought up that she's transgender.
Hate to bring up the "other side", but they do a lot more progressive bragging than AEW do, unless we're choosing to forget their weekly anti-bullying messages and claims of a women's revolution which consisted of one WM main event and a female-themed PPV.
As for Tyson, I respect it's a touchy subject and that people are free to condemn him as they wish, but if you can't differentiate doing business with someone that served time 30 years ago to doing business with someone that got accused not even a year ago, it's not really a conversation worth having.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Apr 7, 2021 5:31:01 GMT -5
I'm not going to be outraged because they're bring in Tyson despite his past, I'd then have to be outraged at the entertainment industry as a whole and there's a lot more despicable things that have been going on in entertainment than Tyson being promoted. That said, I was vocal about how meh I was about the Tyson/Jericho segment before and haven't really changed my mind about it. I just have zero desire to see celebrities in wrestling for the most part. I know they can pop ratings and I know Shaq turned out way better than expected. I just still have no desire to see non-wrestlers in wrestling. Maybe WWE's guest GM era has scarred me for life or something lol.
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Post by polarbearpete on Apr 7, 2021 9:04:40 GMT -5
Tyson committing a crime he served time for 30 years ago is not comparable to the current alleged wrestlers pinpointed in SpeakingOut. The SpeakingOut guys who were alleged were recent and ongoing, Tyson was convicted but he also did his time and has not committed a crime since, which is why he is currently a pop culture icon still, and treated as a comeback story and not blackballed from any industry. So are you also saying shame on literally the entire rest of the world too then? Because the world of boxing, talk shows, movies, animation, and large conglomorates and companies have also paid Tyson large sums of money to appear on their stage as well, and have for years. Tyson served his time, and has been a model citizen since. Joey Ryan is a serial offender who has been accused of multiple sexual assaults, is running "charity shows" using borderline fraudulent organizations, and is using threats of lawsuits to silence his accusers as well as intimidating companies that no longer want to use him.
The two aren't even in the same solar system.
Not that I think AEW shouldn’t use him, but Tyson served very little time for the nature of his crime and he has not exactly been a model citizen since. He was arrested several times since then, with many more accusations of sexual misconduct. Just check out his “rap sheet” as of 2007: www.cbc.ca/amp/1.308253]
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Post by markymark on Apr 7, 2021 10:13:22 GMT -5
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Post by chnwh on Apr 7, 2021 12:11:56 GMT -5
Looked like he was having a great time yawning and struggling to keep his eyes open.
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Post by 3cheers4ramirez on Apr 7, 2021 12:20:52 GMT -5
Tyson served his time, and has been a model citizen since. Joey Ryan is a serial offender who has been accused of multiple sexual assaults, is running "charity shows" using borderline fraudulent organizations, and is using threats of lawsuits to silence his accusers as well as intimidating companies that no longer want to use him.
The two aren't even in the same solar system.
Not that I think AEW shouldn’t use him, but Tyson served very little time for the nature of his crime and he has not exactly been a model citizen since. He was arrested several times since then, with many more accusations of sexual misconduct. Just check out his “rap sheet” as of 2007: www.cbc.ca/amp/1.308253] Not even in the same solar system is right.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 7, 2021 13:12:02 GMT -5
Looked like he was having a great time yawning and struggling to keep his eyes open. Yawning doesn't mean you aren't enjoying yourself, shit happens on reflex sometimes. Was just bad timing for that to be the time you show him on camera.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2021 13:25:48 GMT -5
I am not particularly thrilled about AEW using Tyson again, but I think that trying to draw some sort of comparison between using him and the WWE using the Riddles and Velveteens of the world is that Tyson's most egregious offenses were literal decades ago, and he hasn't had any notable run-in with the law since about 2007 (which seems like yesterday, but was 14 years ago). He's a celebrity brought in for brief programs, and who is not an employee of the company.
Dream and Riddle's stuff was recent AND they were employees of the company who were essentially not punished (despite others, like Jack Gallagher for example, being fired for comparable situations.) There was a clear and unavoidable implication that WWE was cherry picking which allegations they acted on based upon the level of performer involved. It would be more similar if, like, AEW worked with Tyson but then took a massive public stand against working with someone like, say, Jeff Gladney.
I'm not saying either instance is right/wrong, but it's not a one to one comparison.
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Post by They Adam Bradley on Apr 7, 2021 16:01:47 GMT -5
I am not particularly thrilled about AEW using Tyson again, but I think that trying to draw some sort of comparison between using him and the WWE using the Riddles and Velveteens of the world is that Tyson's most egregious offenses were literal decades ago, and he hasn't had any notable run-in with the law since about 2007 (which seems like yesterday, but was 14 years ago). He's a celebrity brought in for brief programs, and who is not an employee of the company. Dream and Riddle's stuff was recent AND they were employees of the company who were essentially not punished (despite others, like Jack Gallagher for example, being fired for comparable situations.) There was a clear and unavoidable implication that WWE was cherry picking which allegations they acted on based upon the level of performer involved. It would be more similar if, like, AEW worked with Tyson but then took a massive public stand against working with someone like, say, Jeff Gladney. I'm not saying either instance is right/wrong, but it's not a one to one comparison. Once Riddle or any other current WWE guys gets a felony conviction for their alleged offenses, then you can atleast have ground to step on when comparing Tyson. As of right now, there is no comparison at all
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Post by markymark on Apr 7, 2021 16:41:54 GMT -5
Tyson committing a crime he served time for 30 years ago is not comparable to the current alleged wrestlers pinpointed in SpeakingOut. The SpeakingOut guys who were alleged were recent and ongoing, Tyson was convicted but he also did his time and has not committed a crime since, which is why he is currently a pop culture icon still, and treated as a comeback story and not blackballed from any industry. So are you also saying shame on literally the entire rest of the world too then? Because the world of boxing, talk shows, movies, animation, and large conglomorates and companies have also paid Tyson large sums of money to appear on their stage as well, and have for years. Tyson served his time, and has been a model citizen since. Joey Ryan is a serial offender who has been accused of multiple sexual assaults, is running "charity shows" using borderline fraudulent organizations, and is using threats of lawsuits to silence his accusers as well as intimidating companies that no longer want to use him.
The two aren't even in the same solar system.
Speaking of Joey What a clownshoes he is
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Post by They Adam Bradley on Apr 7, 2021 16:48:27 GMT -5
Joey Ryan is defiantly trash....but he’s 100% correct in that tweet.
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Post by eJm on Apr 7, 2021 16:49:23 GMT -5
Joey Ryan is defiantly trash....but he’s 100% correct in that tweet. About it being a vendetta against him? Because that's basically what he's saying.
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Post by Kalmia on Apr 7, 2021 17:01:35 GMT -5
Joey Ryan continues to be trash by trying to make himself an innocent victim instead of owning up to his own failings. Nothing he says about sexual assault/violence against women will ever be relevant until he does that.
Would I want to be alone in a room with Mike Tyson? No, I wouldn't. But I also believe in the punishment and rehabilitation method of law we have, so that's why I'm not against AEW using Tyson. He did his time and now he's out. He definitely should have served a longer sentence for what he did, but that's not on anyone but the law and how it lets women down.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 7, 2021 17:39:37 GMT -5
I'm still trying to figure out why using Tyson NOW is an issue for people when they used him once before and all forms of media have used him multiple times over well before AEW has. AEW being held to such a ridiculously high standard when they're simply doing business as everyone in the world has with Tyson just seems like such a stretch to get angry over.
And bringing Joey Ryan into it just makes it all the more of a headache, let that asshole fester in his own shit.
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Post by polarbearpete on Apr 7, 2021 17:46:56 GMT -5
I'm still trying to figure out why using Tyson NOW is an issue for people when they used him once before and all forms of media have used him multiple times over well before AEW has. AEW being held to such a ridiculously high standard when they're simply doing business as everyone in the world has with Tyson just seems like such a stretch to get angry over. And bringing Joey Ryan into it just makes it all the more of a headache, let that asshole fester in his own shit. How do you know the people that have an issue with AEW using Tyson also don’t have an issue with other businesses using him too?
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 7, 2021 17:58:14 GMT -5
I'm still trying to figure out why using Tyson NOW is an issue for people when they used him once before and all forms of media have used him multiple times over well before AEW has. AEW being held to such a ridiculously high standard when they're simply doing business as everyone in the world has with Tyson just seems like such a stretch to get angry over. And bringing Joey Ryan into it just makes it all the more of a headache, let that asshole fester in his own shit. How do you know the people that have an issue with AEW using Tyson also don’t have an issue with other businesses using him too? Because in this thread it's felt like people are shitting on AEW specifically for using Tyson and trying to hold them to a standard. It's been brought up multiple times. If people hate everyone using Tyson in general then by all means but that's not the vibe some have given off in this thread at all.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2021 18:16:45 GMT -5
I am not particularly thrilled about AEW using Tyson again, but I think that trying to draw some sort of comparison between using him and the WWE using the Riddles and Velveteens of the world is that Tyson's most egregious offenses were literal decades ago, and he hasn't had any notable run-in with the law since about 2007 (which seems like yesterday, but was 14 years ago). He's a celebrity brought in for brief programs, and who is not an employee of the company. Dream and Riddle's stuff was recent AND they were employees of the company who were essentially not punished (despite others, like Jack Gallagher for example, being fired for comparable situations.) There was a clear and unavoidable implication that WWE was cherry picking which allegations they acted on based upon the level of performer involved. It would be more similar if, like, AEW worked with Tyson but then took a massive public stand against working with someone like, say, Jeff Gladney. I'm not saying either instance is right/wrong, but it's not a one to one comparison. Once Riddle or any other current WWE guys gets a felony conviction for their alleged offenses, then you can atleast have ground to step on when comparing Tyson. As of right now, there is no comparison at all Completely not the point of my post. My point was that a lot of the issue with WWE was that it cherrypicked who it wanted to take action against. Trying to make a one-to-one comparison between the WWE situation (which, I have to point out for posterity’s sake used Tyson in one of its seminal angles) and the AEW’s current use of Tyson just doesn’t work. They are completely different issues.
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Post by polarbearpete on Apr 7, 2021 18:42:37 GMT -5
How do you know the people that have an issue with AEW using Tyson also don’t have an issue with other businesses using him too? Because in this thread it's felt like people are shitting on AEW specifically for using Tyson and trying to hold them to a standard. It's been brought up multiple times. If people hate everyone using Tyson in general then by all means but that's not the vibe some have given off in this thread at all. I haven’t seen anyone in this thread say other businesses should use him but AEW shouldn’t. Obviously the criticism here will be aimed at AEW because this an AEW thread on a wrestling forum. And I have no issue with AEW using him but I just dont see anyone here holding AEW to a different standard.
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Post by 3cheers4ramirez on Apr 7, 2021 18:46:58 GMT -5
How do you know the people that have an issue with AEW using Tyson also don’t have an issue with other businesses using him too? Because in this thread it's felt like people are shitting on AEW specifically for using Tyson and trying to hold them to a standard. It's been brought up multiple times. If people hate everyone using Tyson in general then by all means but that's not the vibe some have given off in this thread at all. Through five pages I make it there have been a whole seven posts, from two people, that could in any way be described as 'shitting on AEW'.
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