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Post by Celgress on Apr 9, 2021 9:43:47 GMT -5
"Kenny Omega: Worst Drawing AEW Champion of All Time" (Before anyone crucifies me, this is a tongue-in-cheek post. No rebuttal is necessary. Even though I don't like him, I know plenty of other people do. ) I'm not enjoying Kenny as Champ, I thought I would. If I'm being honest I hate this storyline. I think aside from aloof Kenny another major part of the problem is Mox. If Hangman was in this same spot I would feel sympathy for him but the sadistic Mox (in kayfabe) is not a sympathetic character. Heck, if Kingston was the primary focus it might work for me but not with Moxley.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Apr 9, 2021 9:46:04 GMT -5
The big valleys were, well, the predictable matches where Dynamite regulars wrestled Dark standouts.
I think that's a big lesson that it's all well and good to have wins and losses pile up on Dark, but the wrestlers there need to be established on TV in order to draw interest.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Apr 9, 2021 9:48:47 GMT -5
I'll keep saying that 9:30 is not a death slot. It's all about what you put there. When the women's division was lacking depth and quality, it lost viewers. When it got better, it started gaining viewers.
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Post by eJm on Apr 9, 2021 9:51:58 GMT -5
I'll keep saying that 9:30 is not a death slot. It's all about what you put there. When the women's division was lacking depth and quality, it lost viewers. When it got better, it started gaining viewers. Didn't Baker/Rose do really well not long ago in that slot?
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Apr 9, 2021 9:55:57 GMT -5
I'll keep saying that 9:30 is not a death slot. It's all about what you put there. When the women's division was lacking depth and quality, it lost viewers. When it got better, it started gaining viewers. Didn't Baker/Rose do really well not long ago in that slot? Yes although that was billed as the main event where sometimes matches in this slot are the prelude to the big finale. But still, it really just varies week to week depending on who's wrestling. Same for any other slot. The only one really immune is the opener which almost always does well (probably because people have been conditioned to know they're getting some good work there).
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 9, 2021 10:56:15 GMT -5
Q1: 691k / 370k (Page vs Caster) Q2: 728k / 407k (Death Triangle/Best Friends promo, Jericho promo) Q3: 640k / 363k (Christian interview, start of Jurassic Express/Bear Country) Q4: 632k / 338k (rest JE/Bear Country, QT group promo, Sting/Lance Archer segment) Q5: 620k / 337k (Darby vs Drake + post match) Q6: 732k / 366k (Jericho beatdown + Tyson save) Q7: 741k / 369k (Tay vs Bunny + post match, start to 6 man) Q8: 724k / 376k (Mox/Bucks vs Omega/GB) A few things to note here. Show started low, so did TakeOver actually, broke the usual norm lately. AEW won Quarter 2 vs TakeOver thanks to some strong promos and development from Best Friends and Jericho Idk if blaming Sting or Christian for any dropoff is something I can really say here. While I agree the Tony interviews need to stop, they're making fun of it themselves for gods sake, I think Christian with Team Taz is a fine route for Christian, he needs an establishing feud, and he could help Brian Cage a lot when he splits from Team Taz. Bear Country and Drake are good, and their matches might help future viewership when they show up, but I agree with Bolty in that showing a small hype package for them like they did with Top Flight before The Bucks match does wonders. Didn't help Darby/Drake went against WALTER/Ciampa Tyson did what he was designed to do and viewership went up and stayed up for the rest of the show against a very strong TakeOver endgame. The women with the highest viewership of the night, and they earned it, the match was above expectations and Conti and Bunny can draw. Main Event held against the ratings queen in title matches Io Shirai, that's all they could have hoped for. Im curious if we get any further breakdown here because I'd be curious if the Bucks official turn saw any ratings bump or not. Overall the show did way better than I think anyone was expecting for it being a lesser show to most in going up against TakeOver. Considering TakeOver's overrun got over a million viewers, that's telling for both AEW and NXT splitting off from one another. There are going to be a lot of free game fans out there, and it's gonna be interesting to see who gains what next week.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 9, 2021 10:58:14 GMT -5
"Kenny Omega: Worst Drawing AEW Champion of All Time" (Before anyone crucifies me, this is a tongue-in-cheek post. No rebuttal is necessary. Even though I don't like him, I know plenty of other people do. ) I'm not enjoying Kenny as Champ, I thought I would. If I'm being honest I hate this storyline. I think aside from aloof Kenny another major part of the problem is Mox. If Hangman was in this same spot I would feel sympathy for him but the sadistic Mox (in kayfabe) is not a sympathetic character. Heck, if Kingston was the primary focus it might work for me but not with Moxley. I know the bomb didn't go off, but Kenny basically had intent to blow Mox the f*** up. I think with that in mind, Mox is quite justified in his actions. They also tried to end Kingston;s career which surely didn't help matters. I think what will help Kenny is a new focus to help bring more out of the story. If Mox/King go after The Bucks now, Kenny can finally be left open for someone like Archer.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2021 11:02:38 GMT -5
"Kenny Omega: Worst Drawing AEW Champion of All Time" (Before anyone crucifies me, this is a tongue-in-cheek post. No rebuttal is necessary. Even though I don't like him, I know plenty of other people do. ) I'm not enjoying Kenny as Champ, I thought I would. If I'm being honest I hate this storyline. I think aside from aloof Kenny another major part of the problem is Mox. If Hangman was in this same spot I would feel sympathy for him but the sadistic Mox (in kayfabe) is not a sympathetic character. Heck, if Kingston was the primary focus it might work for me but not with Moxley. Also this feud's been going on since November. It's just old.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2021 11:14:23 GMT -5
The big valleys were, well, the predictable matches where Dynamite regulars wrestled Dark standouts. I think that's a big lesson that it's all well and good to have wins and losses pile up on Dark, but the wrestlers there need to be established on TV in order to draw interest. I agree with what Bryan Alvarez suggested - use video packages. For example, with Caster, do a video showing all the wins Caster has gotten on Dark, justify to the audience why this guy is the third-ranked singles competitor in the whole company.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 9, 2021 11:17:08 GMT -5
The big valleys were, well, the predictable matches where Dynamite regulars wrestled Dark standouts. I think that's a big lesson that it's all well and good to have wins and losses pile up on Dark, but the wrestlers there need to be established on TV in order to draw interest. I agree with what Bryan Alvarez suggested - use video packages. For example, with Caster, do a video showing all the wins Caster has gotten on Dark, justify to the audience why this guy is the third-ranked singles competitor in the whole company. Agreed, they dont take up much time to do, and I enjoy when they give like a highlight package or scouting report on more up and coming talent. While the wrestlers SHOW why they're out there and are talented as hell, it really doesn't hurt to tell the casuals and even the AEW fans who dont watch Elevation and/or DARK who they are and why they're damn good.
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Post by EP 54 is banned from Collision on Apr 9, 2021 11:20:04 GMT -5
I mean, they were going to break Mox's neck. I think he's quite justified in wanting to hurt Kenny.
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Post by Celgress on Apr 9, 2021 11:54:55 GMT -5
I'm not enjoying Kenny as Champ, I thought I would. If I'm being honest I hate this storyline. I think aside from aloof Kenny another major part of the problem is Mox. If Hangman was in this same spot I would feel sympathy for him but the sadistic Mox (in kayfabe) is not a sympathetic character. Heck, if Kingston was the primary focus it might work for me but not with Moxley. I know the bomb didn't go off, but Kenny basically had intent to blow Mox the f*** up. I think with that in mind, Mox is quite justified in his actions. They also tried to end Kingston;s career which surely didn't help matters. I think what will help Kenny is a new focus to help bring more out of the story. If Mox/King go after The Bucks now, Kenny can finally be left open for someone like Archer. I'm not talking about being justified rather being sympathetic. Mox is so brutal in-ring it is hard to get behind him as a sympathetic character. I still say Hangman would be better in this spot the guy is naturally very sympathetic or failing that Kingston.
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Post by markymark on Apr 9, 2021 12:45:52 GMT -5
I'm not enjoying Kenny as Champ, I thought I would. If I'm being honest I hate this storyline. I think aside from aloof Kenny another major part of the problem is Mox. If Hangman was in this same spot I would feel sympathy for him but the sadistic Mox (in kayfabe) is not a sympathetic character. Heck, if Kingston was the primary focus it might work for me but not with Moxley. Also this feud's been going on since November. It's just old. Super Elite vs Dark Order should be the next top feud(after they are done with Hardy group)
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 9, 2021 13:18:42 GMT -5
I'm not enjoying Kenny as Champ, I thought I would. If I'm being honest I hate this storyline. I think aside from aloof Kenny another major part of the problem is Mox. If Hangman was in this same spot I would feel sympathy for him but the sadistic Mox (in kayfabe) is not a sympathetic character. Heck, if Kingston was the primary focus it might work for me but not with Moxley. Also this feud's been going on since November. It's just old. Some things out of their control definitely caused some storylines to drag or about face like Brodie's passing and even the Revolution ending now being what it should have been. Hopefully now they're on the right track for a hard push in the right direction with May 5th pegged as their next big show.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 9, 2021 15:31:06 GMT -5
A sidebar for Viewership totals, Impact did exceedingly well vs TakeOver night 2 with Kenny Omega in action
Really bugs me when people say "Kenny Omega isn't a draw/isn't a serious main eventer/isn't doing anything for Impact". In the main event, wrestling for Impact, on its new night, Kenny helped lead the show to their best rating in ages against a HUGE wrestling show... holding wrestlers to certain weekly ratings and saying "They're not this/they're not that" I feel needs to calm down. It's just clearly a subjective viewpoint.
It's completely ok to not like champion Kenny for the record or not like his storyline. I just don't think there's validity in saying Kenny Omega is a ratings problem. Ratings are way too complex to blame on a single person. The only time I ever saw it be thoroughly consistent was that like two month streak of Thatcher showing up on NXT and the numbers just decreasing, no matter where he was on the card. That's very rare to do.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Apr 9, 2021 15:33:14 GMT -5
The only time I ever saw it be thoroughly consistent was that like two month streak of Thatcher showing up on NXT and the numbers just decreasing, no matter where he was on the card. That's very rare to do. There was also the time period where SCU would tank the ratings every time they showed up. It happens, but it is rare and can be reversed (see: Best Friends).
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Post by Dub H on Apr 9, 2021 16:19:14 GMT -5
Intereting that the opener started low but managed to get viewers.This is actually one of the few tiems the latter half of the show outperformed the first half.Which isnt shocking given bear country and JD Drake are not know at all right now.
I'm also happy Conti apparently is managing to be a big deal in AEW.
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Post by Dub H on Apr 9, 2021 16:20:25 GMT -5
I know the bomb didn't go off, but Kenny basically had intent to blow Mox the f*** up. I think with that in mind, Mox is quite justified in his actions. They also tried to end Kingston;s career which surely didn't help matters. I think what will help Kenny is a new focus to help bring more out of the story. If Mox/King go after The Bucks now, Kenny can finally be left open for someone like Archer. I'm not talking about being justified rather being sympathetic. Mox is so brutal in-ring it is hard to get behind him as a sympathetic character. I still say Hangman would be better in this spot the guy is naturally very sympathetic or failing that Kingston. I actually agree with this point. Look they clearly scrambled to find out what to do, the obvious story was going to be Mox gets time out due to explosion and that is a very mox way to go. Now they really arent sure WHAT to do with Mox.It isnt awful but it isnt great either
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Post by moxfan1 on Apr 9, 2021 21:07:37 GMT -5
I'm not talking about being justified rather being sympathetic. Mox is so brutal in-ring it is hard to get behind him as a sympathetic character. I still say Hangman would be better in this spot the guy is naturally very sympathetic or failing that Kingston. I actually agree with this point. Look they clearly scrambled to find out what to do, the obvious story was going to be Mox gets time out due to explosion and that is a very mox way to go. Now they really arent sure WHAT to do with Mox.It isnt awful but it isnt great either If they wanted Moxley to be out right now. They would have kayfabe injured him after the ppv. Given Kingston who was suppose to take majority of the effects of the explosion and save Moxley. Then they gave Kingston the injury on Dynamite to get him out of action. Well I think this was their plan all along. I think we are getting Mox/Kingston vs Young Bucks at DON and Omega/Page title match.
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Post by moxfan1 on Apr 9, 2021 21:15:07 GMT -5
I'm not enjoying Kenny as Champ, I thought I would. If I'm being honest I hate this storyline. I think aside from aloof Kenny another major part of the problem is Mox. If Hangman was in this same spot I would feel sympathy for him but the sadistic Mox (in kayfabe) is not a sympathetic character. Heck, if Kingston was the primary focus it might work for me but not with Moxley. Also this feud's been going on since November. It's just old. This.. everyone loved the feud in November and in January/February. This feud lead to huge rating in December and AEW best ppv buyrate ever. Issue is if they aren't trading title back and forth and don't plan on doing another match. So it's getting old and Omega is being used as a way to set up Bucks/Mox&Kingston feud. Instead of having his own title feud as well. They should have ended the Mox feud at Revolution and given Omega mini tv title feud to have over the last month. They could have still set up Mox/Kingston vs Bucks. Like they did with Mox/Hager between Revolution/DON last year and Mox/Cage and Mox/Darby between DON and All Out. I think Page is getting Omega at DON and likely winning title. The feud should start in next few weeks given there's only like 7 Dynamite left now to ppv.
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