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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2021 17:15:25 GMT -5
She'll never be him..... but she should be treated as a new-generation Heenan. Make her a manager. She can get involved and when the time comes, she can bump. If they really wanted to give Peyton a single's run, they should've made Billie her "manager"..... oh but WWE doesn't like managers. I hope they end up in Impact/AEW. If it's Impact, I will DEFINITELY start watching to see how they do. Buddy and I were watching Mania, and were talking about how Billie is absolute dogshit in the ring but so incredibly entertaining outside it that they should make her a major player as a manager. And then they fired her days later How is Murphy doing these days?
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Apr 16, 2021 17:17:29 GMT -5
I think the most comparable example to the IIconics is Cryme Tyme. Got very over despite not really being the best team in the ring, never really got an actual push despite that, eventually broken up for basically no reason, and then released. The only real differences are that the IIconics actually won the tag titles and there was a wide gap between Shad and JTG's releases for no real reason. At the time Cryme Tyme broke up Vince and other WWE officials apparently saw a lot of singles potential in Shad Gaspard. I'm not sure why. I hate to speak ill of the dead, but Shad was obviously not ready for such a push at the time. But ever since he broke up the Rockers and Shawn Michaels became a mega-star from that, Vince has just looked at every tag team as fodder for future singles stars. But through thirty years of premature and pointless tag team break-ups, he's never managed to create another Shawn Michaels. Hell, he hasn't even managed to create another Billy Gunn.
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Post by Muskrat on Apr 16, 2021 17:21:09 GMT -5
Buddy and I were watching Mania, and were talking about how Billie is absolute dogshit in the ring but so incredibly entertaining outside it that they should make her a major player as a manager. And then they fired her days later How is Murphy doing these days? .......well played sir. Took me a second to even get that, those first name stealing bastards!
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Post by kingoftheindies on Apr 16, 2021 17:22:21 GMT -5
Paul Wight/Big Show did an interview with Miro/Rusev for Miro's twitch and they talked about the mindset in WWE. Miro flat out said that one of the sayings you are told there is "you're going to learn to eat shit and love it". It sounds bad, but he said it's both a criticism and a compliment.
Both believed the mindset helped them succeed and has helped them helo performers in AEW. But they also say that it makes the job really tough at times because you're going to do a lot of things that won't make sense. The big issue is so many have that mindset to flow the phrase because you do find things that work from time to time.
It's an interesting mindset because I do think the WWE style has helped some really develop but they are also so set in what they think will work that they don't take advantage of momentum people get by just being themselves
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Post by eJm on Apr 16, 2021 17:22:25 GMT -5
Like, even if that's not the reason, it's not the first time this has come up. Even HHH's infamous "If you're not going for the title, what are you here for?" speech just makes it seem like making money from any other aspect of your character seem remotely pointless if you're not aiming for the main event. It's just a weird damn mindset to have when Danhausen, a guy who is doing pre-shows for ROH, got on Conan O'Brien's podcast from his own gimmick. I’d rather watch a Danhausen match than 90 percent of the current roster. That other post of talking about Zicky Dice, Swinger, Avalon, those are some of my favorite guys, wrestling always needs over the top characters. That’s one of the reasons the attitude era was so huge, everyone had characters and given something to do. Guys like Gangrel, Al Snow, Crash Holly, Val Venis, they weren’t winning world titles, but they were sure as hell fun to watch. It’s not even just having that character, it’s being able to have interesting things to do and believing in that concept. Danhausen pretty much followed almost went beat by beat what Zack Ryder did and it lead him to a job in ROH because he worked hard to make it work and got people to believe in it. Warhorse got a long title reign and a match on national television from his gimmick. Faye Jackson got people to donate $5k for her show during WrestleMania weekend and sold a tonne of merch for being “horny on main”. I can keep going, really. WWE gives people gimmicks and right away say they’re goobers. Like, dude, YOU gave them the gimmick. If you think it sucks, don’t give them the gimmick.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 16, 2021 17:26:56 GMT -5
I think the most comparable example to the IIconics is Cryme Tyme. Got very over despite not really being the best team in the ring, never really got an actual push despite that, eventually broken up for basically no reason, and then released. The only real differences are that the IIconics actually won the tag titles and there was a wide gap between Shad and JTG's releases for no real reason. At the time Cryme Tyme broke up Vince and other WWE officials apparently saw a lot of singles potential in Shad Gaspard. I'm not sure why. I hate to speak ill of the dead, but Shad was obviously not ready for such a push at the time. From what I remember reported at the time Shad was pushing for the split up himself thinking the tag team was holding him back. But He was really only really good as the hot tag half of a tag team... learning to get the babyface fire spots down that way is great but it's not really something that's going to translate to singles success right away. I think even the WWE realized there was slightly more upside to JTG as he was the one that won the break up feud...
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Post by Hypnosis on Apr 16, 2021 17:34:14 GMT -5
Fightful reported that while they can't say if it led to her release, Kevin Dunn didn't "get" Billie Kay and saw her as having a ceiling for how far she could go in the company.
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Post by Wardlow on Wardlow 54 on Apr 16, 2021 17:35:33 GMT -5
At the time Cryme Tyme broke up Vince and other WWE officials apparently saw a lot of singles potential in Shad Gaspard. I'm not sure why. I hate to speak ill of the dead, but Shad was obviously not ready for such a push at the time. From what I remember reported at the time Shad was pushing for the split up himself thinking the tag team was holding him back. But He was really only really good as the hot tag half of a tag team... learning to get the babyface fire spots down that way is great but it's not really something that's going to translate to singles success right away. I think even the WWE realized there was slightly more upside to JTG as he was the one that won the break up feud... JTG kept the Cryme Tyme look and music. Shad got black and white trunks and a generic heel entrance theme. No question who won that feud.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2021 17:42:13 GMT -5
Hopefully Peyton and Billie will start putting out videos on their YouTube channels again. The blind taste test Billie did with Peyton was f***ing hilarious.
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Post by Hit Girl on Apr 16, 2021 17:47:25 GMT -5
The only meaningful departure from the company that will change anything for the better will be Vince McMahon.
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Post by cosmo on Apr 16, 2021 17:52:20 GMT -5
I dislike Dunn as much as the next person, but I don’t totally disagree with him here. I’ve always been honest about how I never liked the IIconucs, since I always saw them as insufferably annoying. But Billie always struck me as the worse of the two. Her matches sucked (she wasn’t “Rosa Mendes botched standing still” bad, but she was still lousy), and her promo work made me mute the TV every time she spoke. I think the only time I ever really enjoyed anything she did was at this year’s Rumble, when she was passing out resumes to everybody as they entered.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2021 18:48:06 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2021 19:08:16 GMT -5
Apparently Kevin Dunn is trending on twitter. Congratulations WWE, that the type of media attention you always wanted right?
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 16, 2021 19:12:11 GMT -5
Apparently Kevin Dunn is trending on twitter. Congratulations WWE, that the type of media attention you always wanted right? No publicity is bad publicity! >_>
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball☝🏻 on Apr 16, 2021 19:14:45 GMT -5
Apparently Kevin Dunn is trending on twitter. Congratulations WWE, that the type of media attention you always wanted right? No publicity is bad publicity! >_> I believe Lee Harvey Oswald coined that phrase.
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Post by Welfare Willis on Apr 16, 2021 19:23:00 GMT -5
As much as they seem to constantly fall upwards every bubble has its bursting point and it feels as though WWE's must be approaching. The active and ongoing alienation of their fanbase, the ongoing ethical issues on a variety of bases, their baffling employment record and that's before we even get to their onscreen product which despite having the best selection of in-ring talent in the companies history, continues to be mediocre at best. This simply can't continue forever, it isn't a sustainable habit of behaviour whatever way you look at it and far from wanting to be some kind of prophet of doom the breaking point has to be sooner rather than later bar any major change of regime, which let's face it, simply isn't happening. Last time it seemed karma came home to roost, they: - told us we were the authority - blamed low ratings on Baron Corbin - brought up EC3, Ricochet/Black to mixed results - went back to status quo by their next episode And what's funny was that was enough for a significant number of fans. Enough to where they're able to do the same things week in, week out that made them panic in the first place, with zero ramifications. Why? Because they can. We all know what they do when the ratings get low: Vince appears on Raw, throws shit at the wall, and things continue as they are. They don't learn lessons because why should they? They're making record profit. Despite the ratings their shows are often first or second in the ratings. You have to hit them where it hurts... the wallet. Stop supporting WWE. Don't watch the product and don't buy their crap. Support indy or one of the other major promotions. What you do individually now may make a minor impact, but over time if enough people do it they will have to reverse course.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Apr 16, 2021 20:23:35 GMT -5
From what I remember reported at the time Shad was pushing for the split up himself thinking the tag team was holding him back. But He was really only really good as the hot tag half of a tag team... learning to get the babyface fire spots down that way is great but it's not really something that's going to translate to singles success right away. I think even the WWE realized there was slightly more upside to JTG as he was the one that won the break up feud... JTG kept the Cryme Tyme look and music. Shad got black and white trunks and a generic heel entrance theme. No question who won that feud. Also, Shad trying to go the route of eschewing his personality for a dapper suit and a bigger vocabulary when Jack Swagger made the exact same transformation in the segment prior to the Cryme Tyme break up sure was a decision. This was when every heel turn did this shit because Jericho made it popular in 2008.
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Post by greyfmdan on Apr 16, 2021 20:23:53 GMT -5
Not sure what Kevin Dunn’s alleged deal is about the women’s accents. Even coming from the old school mindset that seems to permeate at the top of WWE, that the women are mainly there for their looks (they’re not)—personally, I generally think an accent from an attractive woman is incredibly hot.
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Post by Heartbreaker on Apr 16, 2021 20:28:08 GMT -5
Kevin Dunn said the same thing about Becky Lynch he said about Billie Kay, also because of her accent. Only Vince actually saw money in Becky Lynch so he overrode him on that. Seems that Dunn is kind of a xenophobic asshole. Dunn would probably have a brain aneurysm when somebody tells him that he has an accent.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2021 20:33:23 GMT -5
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