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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on May 4, 2021 11:33:30 GMT -5
I with Rodgers on this one. I hope they do bungle this and then everyone realizes they’re only good because of their elite QB.
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Post by Mecca on May 4, 2021 12:02:37 GMT -5
And now Rodgers has declared the only way he'll come back is if GM Brian Gutekunst is fired. Yeah, no. You don't get to hold the f***ing team at gunpoint when Gutekunst has at least TRIED. I don't care that he's the defending MVP, I don't care that he's won a Super Bowl, I don't care that he's arguably one of the top-10 quarterbacks of all-time, at age 37, Aaron Rodgers has no right to hold the entire Green Bay Packers franchise hostage like this. If I'm the Packers, I'm trading Rodgers for the king's ransom they'll inevitably get from Denver or Las Vegas. Get the multiple first-round picks the Broncos or Raiders are bound to offer and hope they turn out to be quality picks in 2023 and 2024 when Rodgers is entering his age 40 and 41 seasons, if he's even still playing by then. But you cannot turn the keys of your franchise over to a quarterback who, at best, might have two or three years left in his tank. It's amazing how Rodgers saw all this play out under Brett Favre and now he's interested in replicating it. The Green Bay organization is spoiled, they think HOF QBs grow on trees. When they gave a decade of shit the way they treat these guys will change. The fact that they pissed off back to back HOF QBs tells me alot about that organization. Also this is where not having an actual owner is a real problem. Any other NFL franchise the owner steps in a fixes this.
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Post by Mecca on May 4, 2021 12:03:08 GMT -5
I with Rodgers on this one. I hope they do bungle this and then everyone realizes they’re only good because of their elite QB. The years he's gotten hurt they were awful...it's obvious.
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Post by Heart of fools gold on May 4, 2021 12:25:43 GMT -5
This story only is a story because GB doesn't want to admit getting Love was a mistake. If Jordan Love can actually play QB at a high level like you drafted him as then there should be 0% leverage for Arod, so you can take the kings ransom and you enter a new era. But this screams of the GM knowing he f***ed up by drafting a dud and pissing off one of the 3 greatest Packers ever. And this has nothing to do with a divorce from player and franchise cause they were fine moving on from Farve
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Post by Push R Truth on May 4, 2021 12:58:07 GMT -5
I with Rodgers on this one. I hope they do bungle this and then everyone realizes they’re only good because of their elite QB. Hell yes, the amount of times they only win because Rodgers does Rodgers things is on average like 8 games a year. Even with an average QB the Packers in the last decade would have been 4-7 wins consistently. Packers best defense was Aaron Rodgers getting the ball with plenty of time left after his defense gets eviscerated in a 2 minute drill.
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Post by sfvega on May 4, 2021 14:12:51 GMT -5
I feel like for the most part, that's just the difference in eras. In the 70's QBs were, to paraphrase the time, "as tough as old shoe leather" and didn't have free agency. But Bradshaw has to realize that he was on one of the 3 best dynasties of the first 40 years of the league and surrounded by guys who were way more talented than him. He doesn't know what the hell Aaron is talking about, but Marino sure as hell would. I want Aaron to force his way out. NFL players (past LeVeon Bell) just never really force the issue. They threaten to hold out, they threaten to want out, but they always end up caving. Hold your ground. Also, the Packers fans themselves are perennially complaining about their FO's moves, but when Rodgers finally gets fed up, they all turn on him. Just be real. Say that you're with the franchise no matter what, people understand. It's not about him being a diva. He could come up with 1,000 reasons, valid and BS, to want out and you'd dislike him all the same.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 4, 2021 14:44:21 GMT -5
I feel like for the most part, that's just the difference in eras. In the 70's QBs were, to paraphrase the time, "as tough as old shoe leather" and didn't have free agency. But Bradshaw has to realize that he was on one of the 3 best dynasties of the first 40 years of the league and surrounded by guys who were way more talented than him. He doesn't know what the hell Aaron is talking about, but Marino sure as hell would. I want Aaron to force his way out. NFL players (past LeVeon Bell) just never really force the issue. They threaten to hold out, they threaten to want out, but they always end up caving. Hold your ground. Also, the Packers fans themselves are perennially complaining about their FO's moves, but when Rodgers finally gets fed up, they all turn on him. Just be real. Say that you're with the franchise no matter what, people understand. It's not about him being a diva. He could come up with 1,000 reasons, valid and BS, to want out and you'd dislike him all the same. Tho Brady finished out his contract, he has showed players the power of not continuing to accept less just because you are great Rodgers is pulling an NBA move and I think it is great. He has valid reasons to want out and if you are a Green Bay fan hating on him at least admit that you are only a name of the front of the jersey and not the back because that would make sense. An elite player should want to work with elite talent. He's not saying put a super team around him, just show him you willing to give him all the tools to succeed which they have not Idc that he isn't saying this publicly. His teammates know and based upon Adams last tweet he seems cool with it. As a team you're probably going to lack in one area for periods at a time but for them not to address offense which the Packers fans have complained about for years, it would be hypocritical to be mad at Rodgers for complaining about the same
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Post by Mecca on May 4, 2021 16:20:02 GMT -5
I feel like for the most part, that's just the difference in eras. In the 70's QBs were, to paraphrase the time, "as tough as old shoe leather" and didn't have free agency. But Bradshaw has to realize that he was on one of the 3 best dynasties of the first 40 years of the league and surrounded by guys who were way more talented than him. He doesn't know what the hell Aaron is talking about, but Marino sure as hell would. I want Aaron to force his way out. NFL players (past LeVeon Bell) just never really force the issue. They threaten to hold out, they threaten to want out, but they always end up caving. Hold your ground. Also, the Packers fans themselves are perennially complaining about their FO's moves, but when Rodgers finally gets fed up, they all turn on him. Just be real. Say that you're with the franchise no matter what, people understand. It's not about him being a diva. He could come up with 1,000 reasons, valid and BS, to want out and you'd dislike him all the same. Tho Brady finished out his contract, he has showed players the power of not continuing to accept less just because you are great Rodgers is pulling an NBA move and I think it is great. He has valid reasons to want out and if you are a Green Bay fan hating on him at least admit that you are only a name of the front of the jersey and not the back because that would make sense. An elite player should want to work with elite talent. He's not saying put a super team around him, just show him you willing to give him all the tools to succeed which they have not Idc that he isn't saying this publicly. His teammates know and based upon Adams last tweet he seems cool with it. As a team you're probably going to lack in one area for periods at a time but for them not to address offense which the Packers fans have complained about for years, it would be hypocritical to be mad at Rodgers for complaining about the same It has to aggravate guys like Rodgers and Wilson when their teams constantly don't help them or even give a shit what they say...then Mahomes ran for his life in 1 game..Chiefs respond by giving him an entirely new line. It's strange how different some teams operate. The Chiefs treat Mahomes like he is the messiah and should be given all he wants and needs. Seattle and Green Bay act like because they're guys are studs they should be able to carry casts of straight garbage to titles.
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Post by sfvega on May 4, 2021 16:54:07 GMT -5
Tho Brady finished out his contract, he has showed players the power of not continuing to accept less just because you are great Rodgers is pulling an NBA move and I think it is great. He has valid reasons to want out and if you are a Green Bay fan hating on him at least admit that you are only a name of the front of the jersey and not the back because that would make sense. An elite player should want to work with elite talent. He's not saying put a super team around him, just show him you willing to give him all the tools to succeed which they have not Idc that he isn't saying this publicly. His teammates know and based upon Adams last tweet he seems cool with it. As a team you're probably going to lack in one area for periods at a time but for them not to address offense which the Packers fans have complained about for years, it would be hypocritical to be mad at Rodgers for complaining about the same It has to aggravate guys like Rodgers and Wilson when their teams constantly don't help them or even give a shit what they say...then Mahomes ran for his life in 1 game..Chiefs respond by giving him an entirely new line. It's strange how different some teams operate. The Chiefs treat Mahomes like he is the messiah and should be given all he wants and needs. Seattle and Green Bay act like because they're guys are studs they should be able to carry casts of straight garbage to titles. Seattle drafted DK Metcalf literally two drafts ago.
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Post by sfvega on May 4, 2021 16:56:45 GMT -5
I feel like for the most part, that's just the difference in eras. In the 70's QBs were, to paraphrase the time, "as tough as old shoe leather" and didn't have free agency. But Bradshaw has to realize that he was on one of the 3 best dynasties of the first 40 years of the league and surrounded by guys who were way more talented than him. He doesn't know what the hell Aaron is talking about, but Marino sure as hell would. I want Aaron to force his way out. NFL players (past LeVeon Bell) just never really force the issue. They threaten to hold out, they threaten to want out, but they always end up caving. Hold your ground. Also, the Packers fans themselves are perennially complaining about their FO's moves, but when Rodgers finally gets fed up, they all turn on him. Just be real. Say that you're with the franchise no matter what, people understand. It's not about him being a diva. He could come up with 1,000 reasons, valid and BS, to want out and you'd dislike him all the same. Tho Brady finished out his contract, he has showed players the power of not continuing to accept less just because you are great Rodgers is pulling an NBA move and I think it is great. He has valid reasons to want out and if you are a Green Bay fan hating on him at least admit that you are only a name of the front of the jersey and not the back because that would make sense. An elite player should want to work with elite talent. He's not saying put a super team around him, just show him you willing to give him all the tools to succeed which they have not Idc that he isn't saying this publicly. His teammates know and based upon Adams last tweet he seems cool with it. As a team you're probably going to lack in one area for periods at a time but for them not to address offense which the Packers fans have complained about for years, it would be hypocritical to be mad at Rodgers for complaining about the same We all remember the days when GB used to be seen as a great drafting team on both sides of the ball almost 10 years ago. Again, their fanbase has been very critical of their FO for a long time. But when Rodgers wants out because of that ineptitude that they acknowledge, he's the bad guy.
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Post by Mayonnaise on May 4, 2021 17:01:12 GMT -5
Ja'Wuan James tore his Achilles working out away from the Broncos' facilities and will miss the entire season. Because it wasn't in Dove Valley Denver can pull his $10million guaranteed salary.
I'd be pissed but since signing his 4 year $51 million deal 3 years ago he's played 3 games. Easily one of the worst signings in team history.
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Post by Mecca on May 4, 2021 17:08:44 GMT -5
It has to aggravate guys like Rodgers and Wilson when their teams constantly don't help them or even give a shit what they say...then Mahomes ran for his life in 1 game..Chiefs respond by giving him an entirely new line. It's strange how different some teams operate. The Chiefs treat Mahomes like he is the messiah and should be given all he wants and needs. Seattle and Green Bay act like because they're guys are studs they should be able to carry casts of straight garbage to titles. Seattle drafted DK Metcalf literally two drafts ago. He's been asking for OL help for years because he's getting his brains beat in, they draft WRs instead.
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Post by Cyno on May 4, 2021 17:26:50 GMT -5
It has to aggravate guys like Rodgers and Wilson when their teams constantly don't help them or even give a shit what they say...then Mahomes ran for his life in 1 game..Chiefs respond by giving him an entirely new line. It's strange how different some teams operate. The Chiefs treat Mahomes like he is the messiah and should be given all he wants and needs. Seattle and Green Bay act like because they're guys are studs they should be able to carry casts of straight garbage to titles. Seattle drafted DK Metcalf literally two drafts ago. His is sort of the opposite problem of Rodgers'. Rodgers usually has a pretty solid O-line but lacks in skills positions. Wilson has solid skills players but Swiss Cheese for an O-line.
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Post by sfvega on May 4, 2021 17:53:12 GMT -5
Yes, everyone knows about the Seahawks' O-line woes. I just don't think that QBs who have had to deal with actual lacking pieces around them would agree with a WR that a lot of people think is unfair would count as a "shit supporting cast." Then again, it was just another post where Mecca bends over backward to pat the Cheifs on the back, so who gives a shit?
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Post by Mecca on May 4, 2021 18:14:36 GMT -5
Yes, everyone knows about the Seahawks' O-line woes. I just don't think that QBs who have had to deal with actual lacking pieces around them would agree with a WR that a lot of people think is unfair would count as a "shit supporting cast." Then again, it was just another post where Mecca bends over backward to pat the Cheifs on the back, so who gives a shit? Just saying there's a pretty big difference in these teams and how they handle business. It's a running joke on social media. Mahomes runs for his life one time, Chiefs acquire completely new line in 1 year. Russell Wilson runs for his life for 5 years Seattle still doesn't fix the line.
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Post by BRV on May 4, 2021 21:12:41 GMT -5
Rodgers has every right to demand what he wants The Packers were only ever good because of Rodgers despite them never drafting or signing talent for him. It is real simple, trade him. GB made their decision last year when they decided to trade up to draft a QB. A-Rod and Farve situation is not the same. So what should the Packers have done to appease Rodgers? Outspend to re-sign the likes of Jordy Nelson ($15 million to the Raiders) and Randall Cobb ($5 million to the Cowboys)? Because they cut ties with them at the right time, right as they started tailing off. Not draft a quarterback in the first round when the then-36-year-old Rodgers had just thrown for his fewest touchdowns and had his lowest quarterback rating in back-to-back seasons since 2008? Not use draft picks to try to *gasp* build a defense or offensive line, rather than placate Rodgers with WeApOnS like that beloved all-world talent Jake Kumerow? The Green Bay Packers will exist after Aaron Rogers retires, that's why the Packers drafted their heir apparent in Jordan Love. Sorry if that caused a 36-year-old man to turn into a three-year-old child and throw a tantrum, but those are the facts. There needed to be a succession plan for life after Rodgers. Look at the Patriots - they had no concrete succession plan for life after Tom Brady, they threw Cam Newton at the wall and hoped he stuck, struggled to a 7-9 season, and are now relying on Mac Jones to be the savior. Conversely, look at how Tom Brady handled it when the Patriots drafted his (supposed) successor in Jimmy Garoppolo in 2014. He didn't pout and demand a trade, he recommitted himself and put together a six-year run that was among the best in his career and won three Super Bowls before leaving on his own terms. If Rodgers wants to go play in Denver or Las Vegas, the Packers should await a king's ransom and accept it when it comes. Because the bounty should be plentiful if those draft picks are two or three years down the line when a 39- or 40-year-old Rodgers is on his way out or already retired.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 4, 2021 21:18:10 GMT -5
Rodgers has every right to demand what he wants The Packers were only ever good because of Rodgers despite them never drafting or signing talent for him. It is real simple, trade him. GB made their decision last year when they decided to trade up to draft a QB. A-Rod and Farve situation is not the same. So what should the Packers have done to appease Rodgers? Outspend to re-sign the likes of Jordy Nelson ($15 million to the Raiders) and Randall Cobb ($5 million to the Cowboys)? Because they cut ties with them at the right time, right as they started tailing off. Not draft a quarterback in the first round when the then-36-year-old Rodgers had just thrown for his fewest touchdowns and had his lowest quarterback rating in back-to-back seasons since 2008? Not use draft picks to try to *gasp* build a defense or offensive line, rather than placate Rodgers with WeApOnS like that beloved all-world talent Jake Kumerow? The Green Bay Packers will exist after Aaron Rogers retires, that's why the Packers drafted their heir apparent in Jordan Love. Sorry if that caused a 36-year-old man to turn into a three-year-old child and throw a tantrum, but those are the facts. There needed to be a succession plan for life after Rodgers. Look at the Patriots - they had no concrete succession plan for life after Tom Brady, they threw Cam Newton at the wall and hoped he stuck, struggled to a 7-9 season, and are now relying on Mac Jones to be the savior. Conversely, look at how Tom Brady handled it when the Patriots drafted his (supposed) successor in Jimmy Garoppolo in 2014. He didn't pout and demand a trade, he recommitted himself and put together a six-year run that was among the best in his career and won three Super Bowls before leaving on his own terms. If Rodgers wants to go play in Denver or Las Vegas, the Packers should await a king's ransom and accept it when it comes. Because the bounty should be plentiful if those draft picks are two or three years down the line when a 39- or 40-year-old Rodgers is on his way out or already retired. Pats did not trade up to get a QB in the first round. There is a huge difference
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Post by Mecca on May 4, 2021 21:19:01 GMT -5
Rodgers has every right to demand what he wants The Packers were only ever good because of Rodgers despite them never drafting or signing talent for him. It is real simple, trade him. GB made their decision last year when they decided to trade up to draft a QB. A-Rod and Farve situation is not the same. So what should the Packers have done to appease Rodgers? Outspend to re-sign the likes of Jordy Nelson ($15 million to the Raiders) and Randall Cobb ($5 million to the Cowboys)? Because they cut ties with them at the right time, right as they started tailing off. Not draft a quarterback in the first round when the then-36-year-old Rodgers had just thrown for his fewest touchdowns and had his lowest quarterback rating in back-to-back seasons since 2008? Not use draft picks to try to *gasp* build a defense or offensive line, rather than placate Rodgers with WeApOnS like that beloved all-world talent Jake Kumerow? The Green Bay Packers will exist after Aaron Rogers retires, that's why the Packers drafted their heir apparent in Jordan Love. Sorry if that caused a 36-year-old man to turn into a three-year-old child and throw a tantrum, but those are the facts. There needed to be a succession plan for life after Rodgers. Look at the Patriots - they had no concrete succession plan for life after Tom Brady, they threw Cam Newton at the wall and hoped he stuck, struggled to a 7-9 season, and are now relying on Mac Jones to be the savior. Conversely, look at how Tom Brady handled it when the Patriots drafted his (supposed) successor in Jimmy Garoppolo in 2014. He didn't pout and demand a trade, he recommitted himself and put together a six-year run that was among the best in his career and won three Super Bowls before leaving on his own terms. If Rodgers wants to go play in Denver or Las Vegas, the Packers should await a king's ransom and accept it when it comes. Because the bounty should be plentiful if those draft picks are two or three years down the line when a 39- or 40-year-old Rodgers is on his way out or already retired. The Packers GM is a moron and defending their decisions is not something anyone should try to do.
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on May 4, 2021 21:30:23 GMT -5
Rodgers has an all world WR, maybe the best in the game, a good RB with two decent backups and two young WR with great potential in Lazard and Scantling.
They just drafted three offensive linemen and another WR.
Whats he looking for?
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Post by Mecca on May 4, 2021 21:34:20 GMT -5
Rodgers has an all world WR, maybe the best in the game, a good RB with two decent backups and two young WR with great potential in Lazard and Scantling. They just drafted three offensive linemen and another WR. Whats he looking for? They're the only team in the NFL that signed no free agents... He's still frustrated about the last draft where they drafted a QB that doesn't do anything..then followed it by drafting a backup RB...Then they paid Jones a big contract making that pick worthless.. They continue to draft DBs high and their secondary continues to suck. It's just a shit show. Of a dude who doesn't know what he's doing. If you're plan is to keep Jones you don't draft AJ Dillon, Rodgers tells you he plans to play into his 40s and you take a QB. It's moronic.
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