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Post by Natural Born Farmer on May 6, 2021 13:04:15 GMT -5
I'm firm in my belief that until we get to 70% of the population vaccinated, that nothing is safe, infections will continue and outbreaks may worsen. This is irresponsible in my opinion. I completely understand that, but if 70% is the threshold we're looking for all signs are that we're going to be waiting forever. Entirely too many people are not willing to have their minds changed on this.
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Post by Legion on May 6, 2021 13:18:22 GMT -5
Is the sun out though? I had a look at google weather and it was suggesting it was overcast and humid, and I'd think humidity would be the last thing anyone would want with face masks and sweating and so on. Though granted, this is still a good few weeks away, could be bright and breezy by then! It's Florida. Hot and humid is the norm there with threats of a random torrential downpour showing up every so often.
At least if they do it this month and don't put it off until the summer, they can avoid most of hurricane season!
But wind blows the 'Rona away!!
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Post by 06vwgti on May 6, 2021 13:56:27 GMT -5
Is the sun out though? I had a look at google weather and it was suggesting it was overcast and humid, and I'd think humidity would be the last thing anyone would want with face masks and sweating and so on. Though granted, this is still a good few weeks away, could be bright and breezy by then! It's Florida. Hot and humid is the norm there with threats of a random torrential downpour showing up every so often.
At least if they do it this month and don't put it off until the summer, they can avoid most of hurricane season!
Honestly I think they should use the jaguar's stadium more often if they can fit more fans in that space. But also keep people further away from each other...
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Post by flowercity on May 6, 2021 14:52:39 GMT -5
Also - for everyone really crapping on Florida, they are nowhere near the worst state for covid. Not now or throughout the entirety of the pandemic. There is a lot of conjecture being treated as fact in here. That's very, very questionable in light of how hard their Governor has fought to minimize things and actively keep data out of the hands of scientists. That is based off one person and is a complete conspiracy theory. Their excess deaths line up with national averages. To believe that they’re hiding numbers (they’re not) is to insinuate blue run counties and cities are also participating. And here is some sourcing if you do not want to believe this: www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/03/31/actually-data-dont-suggest-anything-unusual-about-floridas-excess-death-toll/%3foutputType=ampAnd Politifact calling it straight up false: www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/jun/03/facebook-posts/claim-florida-undercounting-covid-19-deaths-uses-f/I think this place should be above treating conspiracy theories and conjecture as fact. Florida is nowhere near as bad as the internet strangely wants it to be. And on Saturday we will be two weeks removed from the UFC show in Jacksonville. As of now, covid cases will be down a little over 10% on seven day average. I don’t like a lot about the public message Florida put out about covid but most of the things being insinuated in here are flat out wrong.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on May 6, 2021 15:02:28 GMT -5
That's very, very questionable in light of how hard their Governor has fought to minimize things and actively keep data out of the hands of scientists. That is based off one person and is a complete conspiracy theory. Their excess deaths line up with national averages. To believe that they’re hiding numbers (they’re not) is to insinuate blue run counties and cities are also participating. No, it isn't.
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Post by flowercity on May 6, 2021 15:06:26 GMT -5
That is based off one person and is a complete conspiracy theory. Their excess deaths line up with national averages. To believe that they’re hiding numbers (they’re not) is to insinuate blue run counties and cities are also participating. No, it isn't. Please see what I have linked above. It is.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on May 6, 2021 15:14:46 GMT -5
Please see what I have linked above. It is. Can't read the WaPo story as I'm not a subscriber. The Politifact post refers to a very specific allegation that COVID deaths are being counted as pneumonia ones to keep the number artificially low. That that particular allegation is not true does not mean that deaths are not being undercounted (something the article itself notes), nor does it speak at all to whether the reported rate of infection is accurate. Hey, here's a story about scientist who was fired for refusing to manipulate data, then had her home raided by state authorities! www.cnn.com/2021/01/18/us/rebekah-jones-data-scientist-surrender/index.html
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Post by flowercity on May 6, 2021 15:22:01 GMT -5
Yes people ran with one persons allegation and treated it as fact. No actual science or data supports it. And again this conspiracy relies on blue counties and cities participating in this huge coverup. We are above this here, come on. Another source if people still refuse to believe... where it turns out that excess death in Florida is actually LOWER than national averages... www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/01/14/us/covid-19-death-toll.html
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Post by polarbearpete on May 6, 2021 15:25:38 GMT -5
I'm firm in my belief that until we get to 70% of the population vaccinated, that nothing is safe, infections will continue and outbreaks may worsen. This is irresponsible in my opinion. I completely understand that, but if 70% is the threshold we're looking for all signs are that we're going to be waiting forever. Entirely too many people are not willing to have their minds changed on this. 45% of the US has received at least one dose. I don’t think 70% is necessarily a pipe dream come July-August.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 6, 2021 16:11:52 GMT -5
I completely understand that, but if 70% is the threshold we're looking for all signs are that we're going to be waiting forever. Entirely too many people are not willing to have their minds changed on this. 45% of the US has received at least one dose. I don’t think 70% is necessarily a pipe dream come July-August. I believe last I checked World New Tonight the official number for at least one dose was actually 56% of the adult population as well, and kids 12-15 were ready to get FDA approved for at least Pfizer very soon.
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Post by kingoftheindies on May 6, 2021 16:56:40 GMT -5
45% of the US has received at least one dose. I don’t think 70% is necessarily a pipe dream come July-August. I believe last I checked World New Tonight the official number for at least one dose was actually 56% of the adult population as well, and kids 12-15 were ready to get FDA approved for at least Pfizer very soon. Biden is aiming for 70% by July 4th which from what ive seen people think that is doable
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Post by Cyno on May 6, 2021 18:38:52 GMT -5
I think 70-75% is possible and even likely, but that's still shy of true herd immunity sadly. There are also people, bizarrely, who got the first shot but not the second shot. I mean, it's better than nothing but still cutting the effectiveness of their protection down by a significant factor.
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Post by flowercity on May 8, 2021 8:34:48 GMT -5
Officially been 2 weeks since the full capacity UFC show. Covid cases are down a hair over 13% on seven day average.
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Post by markymark on May 8, 2021 13:33:16 GMT -5
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Post by XIII on May 8, 2021 13:54:47 GMT -5
The American way is to bitch about something and then do it anyways. In this case getting vaccinated. Surely there will be a small vocal minority that won’t, but the vast majority of people just want to get back to normal and get on with their lives regardless of political beliefs. 70% by July 4 is going to happen. More and more states are relaxing things and I suspect by August 1 the vast majority of the country will be running full capacity. I think that Florida and their governor are shady as hell, but we’re coming towards the end of covid as a huge thing in America and I can’t fault anyone for running full capacity in the coming weeks and months.
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Post by Terry McConkey on May 8, 2021 14:04:03 GMT -5
I'm firm in my belief that until we get to 70% of the population vaccinated, that nothing is safe, infections will continue and outbreaks may worsen. This is irresponsible in my opinion. I completely understand that, but if 70% is the threshold we're looking for all signs are that we're going to be waiting forever. Entirely too many people are not willing to have their minds changed on this. Still irresponsible of those folks. Can't defeat a pandemic when people are pretending it's not still ongoing.
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Post by toodarkmark on May 8, 2021 14:08:18 GMT -5
I've really been thinking about this. The UFC, Dana White, teamed up with both Khans, to have a Machine Gun Kelly concert. So Dana and the Khans worked together, so who knows that happens in the future with that, and does AEW start playing songs from someone like MGK at their shows? Nothing important, just had me thinking. UFC, for all its faults, is a great ally to have.
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Post by Cyno on May 8, 2021 14:29:41 GMT -5
I completely understand that, but if 70% is the threshold we're looking for all signs are that we're going to be waiting forever. Entirely too many people are not willing to have their minds changed on this. Still irresponsible of those folks. Can't defeat a pandemic when people are pretending it's not still ongoing. Of course it is, but people would rather continue being wrong than admit they're wrong. And despite the conspiracy theorists' crying and whining about it, we actually can't force people to get vaccinated if they don't want to.
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Post by adamclark52 on May 10, 2021 7:36:44 GMT -5
What were the COVID numbers coming out of Wrestlemania with the live crowds?
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Post by Wardlow on Wardlow 54 on May 10, 2021 11:01:44 GMT -5
I trust AEW to be able to pull this off with no incident. I am leery of it, but as has been said, with vaccines out there and being distributed ahead of schedule (in MA, we're now open for walk-in appointments), it's time to try getting back to some degree of normalcy. I certainly hope they enforce the mask policy as stringently as they can, and that they continue with all the procedures they've been implementing since they opened to fans last year. But I'm definitely ready for a full crowd at a wrestling show once again.
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