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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2021 21:01:00 GMT -5
Awesome match, crazy brawl that legit felt like they were trying to kill each other and it was an excellent finish that really made MJF look like the next huge heel threat - great way to wrap it up and to lay the groundwork for it leading off into a Sammy feud.
Though I do have some mixed opinions on parts of it. Mostly that the commercials really killed the momentum and I kind of feel like too much of the latter end of it was just the Pinnacle having the hell beaten out of them without much resistance, sort of dragged in spots due to that.
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Post by They Adam Bradley on May 5, 2021 21:02:33 GMT -5
Tale of two matches...really enjoyed it prior to Jericho entering it. The ending was a letdown
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on May 5, 2021 21:04:01 GMT -5
Loved that finish so much; MJF being a sadist bastard threatening a horrible fall for Jericho, and the Inner Circle all surrendering out of concern for him and not wanting him to die. I think it makes the way the Inner Circle dominated all the more pertinent; they were going to win that match at the rate it was going, and MJF weaseled his way into an advantage that forced their hand without having to win the fight. That's huge brain villain stuff. From a character standpoint, that match ended perfectly.
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Post by 4TheGlory on May 5, 2021 21:04:12 GMT -5
Next time they do it, it needs to be on a PPV so there is no interruptions/restrictions
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Post by kingoftheindies on May 5, 2021 21:05:25 GMT -5
Enjoyed it overall and the match allowed the right guys to show off.
Was the match a little too long? Arguably
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Post by jimmyjackezekiel on May 5, 2021 21:05:31 GMT -5
Can AEW have a face vs heel storyline that doesn't rely on the faces being either A: hopelessly outnumbered, or B: Complete morons to work.
It was obvious MJF was gonna throw Jericho anyway. At least if you don't surrender you have a fighting chance.
and you just know no one is going to officially punish MJF to flat out attempted murder because wrestling and logic mix as well as gasoline and bonfires.
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Post by AdamAFL was sooooo wrong on May 5, 2021 21:06:20 GMT -5
Loved the match, loved the finish, hated the ad breaks. It killed the flow so much. I get why they put this on TV and I hope it does a giant number for them but man, I hope they do it on PPV from now on.
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Post by MrElijah on May 5, 2021 21:06:23 GMT -5
So it's pretty much agreed that MJF is going to be the World Champion after Page gets it from Omega right?
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on May 5, 2021 21:06:47 GMT -5
Started red hot, but really lost steam once they hit the Match Beyond portion. They went all-in on the selling to the point where the fun part of having a full five vs. five match was diluted - we had a disproportionate amount of babyface comeback shine compared to all-out war spots that could have livened things up before the end. Didn't help that the actual climax of the match was a slow, drawn-out top-of-cage sequence that had to be done very carefully before the big finish.
And the finish...I could really go either way on it, it's a nice dramatic villain moment, but it felt less exciting than a simple tap-out would have.
Still, the opening with Dax and Guevara alone sold me on the match concept like no other modern day War Games-alike has. The first fifteen minutes alone had the makings of a truly excellent classic, but the loss of momentum really brought it down.
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Post by Macho Pichu on May 5, 2021 21:06:48 GMT -5
The commercials were also in very important spots, too. Because of their size relative to the action, it was easy to be suprised when there would be a return from break and you'd see a half-destroyed ring and then break again to return to two guys on the roof.
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Post by Harry The Arrow was Wrong! on May 5, 2021 21:06:56 GMT -5
Match was good but the ending wasn't excuted great imo. Jericho falling on to cardboard looked hilariously bad😂
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 5, 2021 21:07:16 GMT -5
Can AEW have a face vs heel storyline that doesn't rely on the faces being either A: hopelessly outnumbered, or B: Complete morons to work. It was obvious MJF was gonna throw Jericho anyway. At least if you don't surrender you have a fighting chance. and you just know no one is going to officially punish MJF to flat out attempted murder because wrestling and logic mix as well as gasoline and bonfires. The match result didn't outweigh Jericho's safety, they tried to appeal to MJF by giving him what he wanted, and it wasn't enough, and Jericho fell IC didn't look like morons, MJF just outplayed them.
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Post by madness50 on May 5, 2021 21:07:49 GMT -5
They never need to do this match on TV again. The ad breaks killed it for me.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on May 5, 2021 21:09:12 GMT -5
Can AEW have a face vs heel storyline that doesn't rely on the faces being either A: hopelessly outnumbered, or B: Complete morons to work. It was obvious MJF was gonna throw Jericho anyway. At least if you don't surrender you have a fighting chance. and you just know no one is going to officially punish MJF to flat out attempted murder because wrestling and logic mix as well as gasoline and bonfires. If they surrender, MJF might not throw Jericho over the edge. If they don't surrender, MJF 100% absolutely definitely throws Jericho over the edge. "It doesn't matter if you have a gun to this guy's head because I know you're going to shoot him anyway so just kill my friend I won't do what you say" is cataclysmically shitty storytelling.
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Post by They Adam Bradley on May 5, 2021 21:09:23 GMT -5
Started red hot, but really lost steam once they hit the Match Beyond portion. They went all-in on the selling to the point where the fun part of having a full five vs. five match was diluted - we had a disproportionate amount of babyface comeback shine compared to all-out war spots that could have livened things up before the end. Didn't help that the actual climax of the match was a slow, drawn-out top-of-cage sequence that had to be done very carefully before the big finish. And the finish...I could really go either way on it, it's a nice dramatic villain moment, but it felt less exciting than a simple tap-out would have. Still, the opening with Dax and Guevara alone sold me on the match concept like no other modern day War Games-alike has. The first fifteen minutes alone had the makings of a truly excellent classic, but the loss of momentum really brought it down. Agreed! The opening was fire, but once the 5 on 5 started especially Jericho entering the match it dropped down so much..ending was laughable
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on May 5, 2021 21:09:32 GMT -5
f***ing loved it. Action was fantastic and the finish was great. MJF turned his cowardice into victory. He outsmarted Chris again by isolating him when he knew he had a weapon up his sleeve. He knew the Inner Circle was a family and used that to force them to surrender. And he used that one chance to eliminate Jericho and do what he said he would do. Take his spot.
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Post by toodarkmark on May 5, 2021 21:10:04 GMT -5
The ads really hurt it yeah. It was still a banger. They should get a sponsor for the hour next time. Have Jake from State Farm there to ring the bell.
Makes me excited to see Sammy versus MJG, Ortiz + Santana versus FTR, Hager versus Wardlow again. It reminded me of the watching the 87 War Games, it didn't kill Tully and Arn versus the Road Warriors, or Luger versus Nikita at all, just made me want to see it more.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2021 21:10:07 GMT -5
They really should've shot the finish better; I think conceptually it's great and really in the long run that's all that matters but they could've easily used a camera angle that made it less obvious it was just cardboard and a cushion.
Also I don't think Jericho sold the leadup that well? That finish kind of only works if Jericho is completely helpless and he really wasn't looking like it at all.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on May 5, 2021 21:10:27 GMT -5
I thought the match was incredible. Whole thing felt visceral and primal. And I loved the story the ending told.
As for the mechanics of it... reckless bumps get backlash. The gimmick’d bumps get backlash. So from this point on, honestly, I’d advise AEW to do neither. And just work and construct things to try and find that middle ground.
I think there’s a few different things they could have done, that would have told the same story, that was neither.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on May 5, 2021 21:12:07 GMT -5
Also I don't think Jericho sold the leadup that well? That finish kind of only works if Jericho is completely helpless and he really wasn't looking like it at all. Hard agree on this. They really should have done more to build up that element - given how slow the whole thing was, an uncomfortable sequence of Jericho taking repeated Diamond Ring punches, followed by Jericho selling being unconscious on his feet, would have done a lot to sell the concept.
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