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Post by jimmyjackezekiel on May 5, 2021 21:28:24 GMT -5
I thought it was a good match. Commercials kinda killed the mood. Hopefully the match will look better if/when AEW releases an uncut version of the match somewhere.
I know the ending made sense from a storytelling standpoint, but it just didn't seem like that big a deal when we have seen younger more out of shape wrestlers take worse falls and walk them off... Maybe if I hadn't been part of the generation spoiled by Foley, and Kanyon I'd appreciate this fall more.
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Post by Chiral on May 5, 2021 21:28:37 GMT -5
thought it was a great match didn't really have a problem witht he ending, kind of reminded me of the ending of the Roman-Jey Uso match where Jey quit cause he didn't want roman to hurt Jimmy Yeah, the story was fine, Twas the “bump” that fell flat. AEW’s gotta stopped with the gimmick’d bump stuff. For me though it's like he still fell like 10 feet off a hugeass cage. Like. For me personally that was enough and after past incidents I'd rather it be safe? I also don't get anything anymore so disregard me lmao.
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Post by RKTaker on May 5, 2021 21:28:58 GMT -5
thought it was a great match didn't really have a problem witht he ending, kind of reminded me of the ending of the Roman-Jey Uso match where Jey quit cause he didn't want roman to hurt Jimmy Yeah, the story was fine, Twas the “bump” that fell flat. AEW’s gotta stopped with the gimmick’d bump stuff. when people say "the finish" i assumed they were talking about the pre-fall stuff, not the actual fall since that was post-match I could be wrong but that's how i see it anyway
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Post by sfvega on May 5, 2021 21:29:33 GMT -5
I thought the match was incredible. Whole thing felt visceral and primal. And I loved the story the ending told. As for the mechanics of it... reckless bumps get backlash. The gimmick’d bumps get backlash. So from this point on, honestly, I’d advise AEW to do neither. And just work and construct things to try and find that middle ground. I think there’s a few different things they could have done, that would have told the same story, that was neither. I think they could have shot the finish better to where it didn't look as bad. I don't think anyone begrudges AEW for not throwing Jericho onto actual concrete from 15 feet, obviusly. But you shouldn't write something around a finish if you have it look that bad. The same issue with the pyro. Which isn't their fault the pyro didn't go off. But they seem to write themselves into a corner and don't leave themselves a lot of wiggle room. I agree they should just do more straightforward finishes to avoid this, or at least find someone who is good at writing payoffs because even before those gaffes, both big match finishes seemed to have less momentum than the match up to that point.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on May 5, 2021 21:31:18 GMT -5
Yeah, the story was fine, Twas the “bump” that fell flat. AEW’s gotta stopped with the gimmick’d bump stuff. For me though it's like he still fell like 10 feet off a hugeass cage. Like. For me personally that was enough and after past incidents I'd rather it be safe? I also don't get anything anymore so disregard me lmao. Yeah, safety is key, but if you can’t do it safe and the gimmick’d thing won’t be believable, do something else lol I loved everything else but that was the “peak” and..well. They did it right with Omega/Mox that first time around.
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Post by markymark on May 5, 2021 21:32:05 GMT -5
I don't guys. I've been watching wrestling since like 2000. I've seen dozens upon dozens of gigantic bumps onto clearly loaded crash pads. I think they could've shot this one better but I've seen worse. I didn't care because I was invested in the story. For all the production issues, they got the moment where MJF thanked him perfectly. That was the moment. The fall was the fall but that was what sells you on this. Stadium Stampede ended with Guevara landing on a crashpad, some wrestling fans have short term memory.
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Post by dynamitekidd on May 5, 2021 21:32:12 GMT -5
I said in the main thread, MJF looked glorious all bloody on top of the cage. That guy is a monster heel.
I loved that match. Really enjoyed it. Even Spears looked good.
Sammy is about to break out into a big time star i think.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2021 21:32:18 GMT -5
Personally I just thought it was kind of funny but didn't really ruin anything, though they definitely could've used a better camera angle. Honestly their production is a lot better than it once was but AEW still could really stand to iron that out further.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2021 21:35:42 GMT -5
Nothing they could do about the commercial issue, though I thought they did an admirable job breaking the match into “parts” around the commercials.
I liked the ending, personally...I don’t know what people want, anymore. It’s 2021, no one can fall onto exposed concrete anymore. We have to suspend our disbelief a little...I don’t remember people being like OMG CRASHPAD!!!! when Shane jumped onto Taker. Maybe that’s just me having filtered out the negative, but it seems like people have become less accepting of “safe” violence in wrestling (which is something I think AEW is good at, revolution sparklers aside.)
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on May 5, 2021 21:36:42 GMT -5
Personally I just thought it was kind of funny but didn't really ruin anything, though they definitely could've used a better camera angle. Honestly their production is a lot better than it once was but AEW still could really stand to iron that out further. The “main” angle with the camera facing the big screen above the cage would’ve been a good enough angle. Show the throw from that angle, then cut to the aftermath.
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Post by toodarkmark on May 5, 2021 21:39:20 GMT -5
Nothing they could do about the commercial issue, though I thought they did an admirable job breaking the match into “parts” around the commercials. I liked the ending, personally...I don’t know what people want, anymore. It’s 2021, no one can fall onto exposed concrete anymore. We have to suspend our disbelief a little...I don’t remember people being like OMG CRASHPAD!!!! when Shane jumped onto Taker. Maybe that’s just me having filtered out the negative, but it seems like people have become less accepting of “safe” violence in wrestling (which is something I think AEW is good at, revolution sparklers aside.) Better safe then sorry. People had entire threads here about injuries, and AEW needing to do a better job of protecting people, and then they protect them with a soft finish, and people are upset over that. Like, this is as good as they could do to protect Jericho, who is almost 50.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 5, 2021 21:39:40 GMT -5
I thought it was a good match. Commercials kinda killed the mood. Hopefully the match will look better if/when AEW releases an uncut version of the match somewhere. I know the ending made sense from a storytelling standpoint, but it just didn't seem like that big a deal when we have seen younger more out of shape wrestlers take worse falls and walk them off... Maybe if I hadn't been part of the generation spoiled by Foley, and Kanyon I'd appreciate this fall more. Considering the shape Foley is in, I don't care how safe AEW's big bumps are. Like did they think Guevara and Omega didn't land on pads in Stadium Stampede? They could have shot it better, but after the Hardy incident, them being careful is fine by me and doesn't take away from the fact Jericho careened 20 feet into it
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on May 5, 2021 21:40:14 GMT -5
One thing I think this match does show is that while AEW has the best roster from top-to-bottom in the world, their production team can be very inconsistent.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on May 5, 2021 21:42:06 GMT -5
Personally I just thought it was kind of funny but didn't really ruin anything, though they definitely could've used a better camera angle. Honestly their production is a lot better than it once was but AEW still could really stand to iron that out further. The “main” angle with the camera facing the big screen above the cage would’ve been a good enough angle. Show the throw from that angle, then cut to the aftermath. 100%. It looked incredible from that angle.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2021 21:42:56 GMT -5
One thing I think this match does show is that while AEW has the best roster from top-to-bottom in the world, their production team can be very inconsistent. That’s a byproduct of AEW having been way more successful way more quickly than people really expected, I think. The company is as close to WWE as any company has been in 21 years, but the company is still barely two years old. It’s glaring when it has to work out the kinks, because, generally everything has been so shockingly polished for such a young company.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 5, 2021 21:44:08 GMT -5
One thing I think this match does show is that while AEW has the best roster from top-to-bottom in the world, their production team can be very inconsistent. Producing a live weekly wrestling show isn't easy, but I think AEW's gotten WAY better than they were a year ago even. Hiccups happen but they're doing well.
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Post by toodarkmark on May 5, 2021 21:47:07 GMT -5
One thing I think this match does show is that while AEW has the best roster from top-to-bottom in the world, their production team can be very inconsistent. That’s a byproduct of AEW having been way more successful way more quickly than people really expected, I think. The company is as close to WWE as any company has been in 21 years, but the company is still barely two years old. It’s glaring when it has to work out the kinks, because, generally everything has been so shockingly polished for such a young company. Yeah. It was their first Blood and Guts match. There are bound to be kinks that need to be worked out.
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Post by smokinvokoun86 on May 5, 2021 21:47:45 GMT -5
I will say that at least this finish isn’t quite as deflating after the Revolution one, because that one and the reaction to it was mega depressing for me. At least this finish made sense and there is no need to really cover up or play it off or something. I’d rather they did what they did than what happened with Matt Hardy’s bump that was legit dangerous.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 5, 2021 21:52:14 GMT -5
It is something to think about, like... AEW is a two year old company, there are millions out there who have probably still never known its name, and it has had t learn on the fly, IN A PANDEMIC, while, successfully mind you, growing and sustaining a fanbase to legitimize itself as the number two wrestling company in the world. Something people didn't think it would do by now, or maybe EVER do.
There are gonna be bumps along the way. And I think criticism is fair, but I do think where they're at now, says it all. Having matches of this level, with sustainable and crisp production, is a reason they are where they are.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on May 5, 2021 21:53:17 GMT -5
Nothing they could do about the commercial issue, though I thought they did an admirable job breaking the match into “parts” around the commercials. I liked the ending, personally...I don’t know what people want, anymore. It’s 2021, no one can fall onto exposed concrete anymore. We have to suspend our disbelief a little...I don’t remember people being like OMG CRASHPAD!!!! when Shane jumped onto Taker. Maybe that’s just me having filtered out the negative, but it seems like people have become less accepting of “safe” violence in wrestling (which is something I think AEW is good at, revolution sparklers aside.) Mitsuharu Misawa died doing a bump he'd done a billion times before then. Mick Foley can hardly remember his own name because of the crazy bumps he took. I'm more than okay with an abundance of caution for these kinds of things in 2020.
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