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Post by Muskrat on May 5, 2021 21:53:35 GMT -5
Folks, you know there’s a difference between saying the bump looked shitty and saying “f*** it, shouldn’t have protected Jericho. Throw him to the ground!!!”
The crash pad isn’t the issue, of course you’re gonna protect Jericho. The issue was it was poorly executed. If I’m disappointed with a magic show because the magician did a shitty job of hiding the gimmick for his tricks it doesn’t mean I actually want someone cut in half, I want the illusion protected.
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Post by mc74 on May 5, 2021 21:54:09 GMT -5
Loved the match from start to finish. The match started out red-hot, featured elements of chaos, intensity, and brutality which helped the match live up to the hype, and ended off with a clever finish that not only helped protect the Inner Circle in a way, but also showcased just how cold, calculated, and merciless MJF is.
That said, the finish could've been done better to make Jericho look more helpless, but at the very least, it serves a purpose. With Jericho out of the picture, the focus now shifts towards MJF vs Sammy Guevara, and that one will be another interesting match to look forward to.
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Post by eJm on May 5, 2021 21:57:24 GMT -5
Folks, you know there’s a difference between saying the bump looked shitty and saying “f*** it, shouldn’t have protected Jericho. Throw him to the ground!!!” The crash pad isn’t the issue, of course you’re gonna protect Jericho. The issue was it was poorly executed. If I’m disappointed with a magic show because the magician did a shitty job of hiding the gimmick for his tricks it doesn’t mean I actually want someone cut in half, I want the illusion protected. I didn’t see it as that big a deal but I can see why people did. Honestly, I guess I’m just used to how TNA f***ed stuff up and people’s reaction to TNA f***ing stuff up where I’m worried that people are just going to give up on it after a while because, even if they aren’t nearly as bad, they’re still screw ups. It’s really silly and I need to learn not to take it that way (and it also doesn’t matter because AEW is in a better, more stable spot than TNA was with Spike) but that’s my fear with this stuff.
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Post by markymark on May 5, 2021 21:58:55 GMT -5
I will say that at least this finish isn’t quite as deflating after the Revolution one, because that one and the reaction to it was mega depressing for me. At least this finish made sense and there is no need to really cover up or play it off or something. I’d rather they did what they did than what happened with Matt Hardy’s bump that was legit dangerous. Revolution ending was so bad fans were asking for a refund, did fans ask for refund for that Jericho bump? No right?
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Post by Perd on May 5, 2021 22:00:37 GMT -5
It was good. But I agree about the commercials and felt like the ending didn’t hold much drama for me. But still, pretty amazing that two guys that did a musical number, ended up like this. It’s hard to imagine Gene Kelly tossing Donald O’Connor off the top of a cahe.
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Post by Cyno on May 5, 2021 22:01:42 GMT -5
I didn't notice any of the technical/production issues people are pointing out. Guess I was too engrossed in the match to really notice little things like that.
Only thing that really took me out of the match were the commercial breaks. Especially since one of them actually killed the Picture-in-Picture, which is a fine compromise for most matches but sucks for a spectacle like this. I hope in the future, AEW saves this kind of match for a PPV so I can watch it without those interruptions. Otherwise, a fun time. MJF throwing Jericho off the cage is a star-making moment for him.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2021 22:06:03 GMT -5
Folks, you know there’s a difference between saying the bump looked shitty and saying “f*** it, shouldn’t have protected Jericho. Throw him to the ground!!!” The crash pad isn’t the issue, of course you’re gonna protect Jericho. The issue was it was poorly executed. If I’m disappointed with a magic show because the magician did a shitty job of hiding the gimmick for his tricks it doesn’t mean I actually want someone cut in half, I want the illusion protected. I don’t really see how it was poorly executed personally, though, other than the “concrete” being an obvious crash pad. Shane fell onto a giant airbag. I just don’t know how you’d do that particular spot differently. So it becomes an issue of, do we want spots like this eliminated entirely, or do we want them done safely, but somewhat less legitimate looking? That was the point of my post on the issue, not to say that people are legitimately calling for dudes to fall onto concrete. But, like, the legendary Foley bump looked real because he just fell 20 feet onto his ass and knocked out 3 teeth. We’re never going to get that again.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 5, 2021 22:08:57 GMT -5
Folks, you know there’s a difference between saying the bump looked shitty and saying “f*** it, shouldn’t have protected Jericho. Throw him to the ground!!!” The crash pad isn’t the issue, of course you’re gonna protect Jericho. The issue was it was poorly executed. If I’m disappointed with a magic show because the magician did a shitty job of hiding the gimmick for his tricks it doesn’t mean I actually want someone cut in half, I want the illusion protected. I thought it was fine, like the dude fell 20 feet and still landed hard. I guess it just didn't take me out of anything They could have shot it better, but to me it being some sort of "deal breaker"? It just isn't so. They did their job and did it fine.
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Post by markymark on May 5, 2021 22:09:34 GMT -5
Loved the match from start to finish. The match started out red-hot, featured elements of chaos, intensity, and brutality which helped the match live up to the hype, and ended off with a clever finish that not only helped protect the Inner Circle in a way, but also showcased just how cold, calculated, and merciless MJF is. That said, the finish could've been done better to make Jericho look more helpless, but at the very least, it serves a purpose. With Jericho out of the picture, the focus now shifts towards MJF vs Sammy Guevara, and that one will be another interesting match to look forward to. They can just have MJF say Jericho got so fragile that landing on crashpads forced him to be out of action, its much easier than explain Revolutions ending
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on May 5, 2021 22:10:50 GMT -5
Folks, you know there’s a difference between saying the bump looked shitty and saying “f*** it, shouldn’t have protected Jericho. Throw him to the ground!!!” The crash pad isn’t the issue, of course you’re gonna protect Jericho. The issue was it was poorly executed. If I’m disappointed with a magic show because the magician did a shitty job of hiding the gimmick for his tricks it doesn’t mean I actually want someone cut in half, I want the illusion protected. I don’t really see how it was poorly executed personally, though, other than the “concrete” being an obvious crash pad. Shane fell onto a giant airbag. I just don’t know how you’d to that particular spot differently. So it becomes an issue of, do we want spots like this eliminated entirely, or do we want them done safely, but somewhat less legitimate looking? That was the point of my post on the issue, not to say that people are legitimately calling for dudes to fall onto concrete. But, like, the legendary Foley bump looked real because he just fell 20 feet onto his ass and knocked out 3 teeth. We’re never going to get that again. Personally I just thought it was kind of funny but didn't really ruin anything, though they definitely could've used a better camera angle. Honestly their production is a lot better than it once was but AEW still could really stand to iron that out further. The “main” angle with the camera facing the big screen above the cage would’ve been a good enough angle. Show the throw from that angle, then cut to the aftermath. That one suggestion would have gone a long way. It’s a production/quality control thing.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on May 5, 2021 22:12:09 GMT -5
I don’t really see how it was poorly executed personally, though, other than the “concrete” being an obvious crash pad. Shane fell onto a giant airbag. I just don’t know how you’d to that particular spot differently. So it becomes an issue of, do we want spots like this eliminated entirely, or do we want them done safely, but somewhat less legitimate looking? That was the point of my post on the issue, not to say that people are legitimately calling for dudes to fall onto concrete. But, like, the legendary Foley bump looked real because he just fell 20 feet onto his ass and knocked out 3 teeth. We’re never going to get that again. The “main” angle with the camera facing the big screen above the cage would’ve been a good enough angle. Show the throw from that angle, then cut to the aftermath. The “main” angle with the camera facing the big screen above the cage would’ve been a good enough angle. Show the throw from that angle, then cut to the aftermath. That one suggestion would have gone a long way. It’s a production/quality control thing. They could have also done it like WWE and just made that whole portion of the stage collapsible and had Jericho fall through it ala the Jeff/Orton Swanton.
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Post by smokinvokoun86 on May 5, 2021 22:12:37 GMT -5
Folks, you know there’s a difference between saying the bump looked shitty and saying “f*** it, shouldn’t have protected Jericho. Throw him to the ground!!!” The crash pad isn’t the issue, of course you’re gonna protect Jericho. The issue was it was poorly executed. If I’m disappointed with a magic show because the magician did a shitty job of hiding the gimmick for his tricks it doesn’t mean I actually want someone cut in half, I want the illusion protected. I didn’t see it as that big a deal but I can see why people did. Honestly, I guess I’m just used to how TNA f***ed stuff up and people’s reaction to TNA f***ing stuff up where I’m worried that people are just going to give up on it after a while because, even if they aren’t nearly as bad, they’re still screw ups. It’s really silly and I need to learn not to take it that way (and it also doesn’t matter because AEW is in a better, more stable spot than TNA was with Spike) but that’s my fear with this stuff. I think I’m in that camp. People are so conditioned by WWE or TNA screwing up that when AEW has a minor screw up (In comparison to Revolution, it’s really a minor screwup, even if it’s not really one.) people over react to it and all the people who don’t like AEW come out of the woodwork to laugh like the finger poke of doom just happened all over again. And I will admit my own sensitivity to it. I’ll admit that. That’s my fault. I used to post here years ago almost exclusively in the WWE section, and rarely was that place ever positive about anything, it still isn’t. I don’t blame the posters, because the WWE product is genuinely awful. But in my experience, wrestling fandom on the internet is not a very happy place to be unless the show is an all timer. And AEW has genuinely made me a fan again and I actually care about wrestling. And it is so cool for a company only two years old to be as successful as it is. Like AEW makes me genuinely happy. So it does hurt when something doesn’t go exactly right and people jump all over them. Like the reaction to Revolution honestly depressed me. I know I shouldn’t have felt that way, because it’s only wrestling. I feel AEW is like my last chance to see an actual big time wrestling product that isn’t crappy WWE. And of course, if you think it wasn’t great, you have a right to that opinion and they aren’t perfect, I know AEW isn’t perfect. It’s wrestling. I guess I have to have thicker skin on the internet, especially wrestling on the internet. But that’s my own problem.
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Post by sfvega on May 5, 2021 22:13:58 GMT -5
Folks, you know there’s a difference between saying the bump looked shitty and saying “f*** it, shouldn’t have protected Jericho. Throw him to the ground!!!” The crash pad isn’t the issue, of course you’re gonna protect Jericho. The issue was it was poorly executed. If I’m disappointed with a magic show because the magician did a shitty job of hiding the gimmick for his tricks it doesn’t mean I actually want someone cut in half, I want the illusion protected. Yeah, pretty much. If you can't make it look good for MJF to throw Jericho off the cage, you could just.....not book him getting thrown off a cage. I didn't care at all that it was safe, I cared that it looked really bad.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on May 5, 2021 22:15:09 GMT -5
Folks, you know there’s a difference between saying the bump looked shitty and saying “f*** it, shouldn’t have protected Jericho. Throw him to the ground!!!” The crash pad isn’t the issue, of course you’re gonna protect Jericho. The issue was it was poorly executed. If I’m disappointed with a magic show because the magician did a shitty job of hiding the gimmick for his tricks it doesn’t mean I actually want someone cut in half, I want the illusion protected. Yeah, pretty much. If you can't make it look good for MJF to throw Jericho off the cage, you could just.....not book him getting thrown off a cage. I didn't care at all that it was safe, I cared that it looked really bad. Boosting this point. I was cool with the crash pad bump, but also feel like the match would have been better served with a Jericho tap out if built properly.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2021 22:16:58 GMT -5
I don’t really see how it was poorly executed personally, though, other than the “concrete” being an obvious crash pad. Shane fell onto a giant airbag. I just don’t know how you’d to that particular spot differently. So it becomes an issue of, do we want spots like this eliminated entirely, or do we want them done safely, but somewhat less legitimate looking? That was the point of my post on the issue, not to say that people are legitimately calling for dudes to fall onto concrete. But, like, the legendary Foley bump looked real because he just fell 20 feet onto his ass and knocked out 3 teeth. We’re never going to get that again. The “main” angle with the camera facing the big screen above the cage would’ve been a good enough angle. Show the throw from that angle, then cut to the aftermath. That one suggestion would have gone a long way. It’s a production/quality control thing. I respect everyone’s opinion and am not trying to argue semantics. My personal opinion, though, is that if it had been the front facing angle, we wouldn’t have seen the fall and that would have been a whole new round of criticism. The WWE collapsible stage is essentially what that was, to me. Every big fall like that since, like, 2010 has been onto an obvious crash pad. Obviously, given the reaction, they could have done it better. But it’s just hard to do a “safe” fall in a fictional storyline where the dudes want to kill each other, I think.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 5, 2021 22:20:15 GMT -5
I didn’t see it as that big a deal but I can see why people did. Honestly, I guess I’m just used to how TNA f***ed stuff up and people’s reaction to TNA f***ing stuff up where I’m worried that people are just going to give up on it after a while because, even if they aren’t nearly as bad, they’re still screw ups. It’s really silly and I need to learn not to take it that way (and it also doesn’t matter because AEW is in a better, more stable spot than TNA was with Spike) but that’s my fear with this stuff. I think I’m in that camp. People are so conditioned by WWE or TNA screwing up that when AEW has a minor screw up (In comparison to Revolution, it’s really a minor screwup, even if it’s not really one.) people over react to it and all the people who don’t like AEW come out of the woodwork to laugh like the finger poke of doom just happened all over again. And I will admit my own sensitivity to it. I’ll admit that. That’s my fault. I used to post here years ago almost exclusively in the WWE section, and rarely was that place ever positive about anything, it still isn’t. I don’t blame the posters, because the WWE product is genuinely awful. But in my experience, wrestling fandom on the internet is not a very happy place to be unless the show is an all timer. And AEW has genuinely made me a fan again and I actually care about wrestling. And it is so cool for a company only two years old to be as successful as it is. Like AEW makes me genuinely happy. So it does hurt when something doesn’t go exactly right and people jump all over them. Like the reaction to Revolution honestly depressed me. I know I shouldn’t have felt that way, because it’s only wrestling. I feel AEW is like my last chance to see an actual big time wrestling product that isn’t crappy WWE. And of course, if you think it wasn’t great, you have a right to that opinion and they aren’t perfect, I know AEW isn’t perfect. It’s wrestling. I guess I have to have thicker skin on the internet, especially wrestling on the internet. But that’s my own problem. Nobody hates wrestling and wants wrestling to fail more than its own fans sometimes Not saying that's anyone here, but it truly does feel like there are a camp of "fans" who simply want modern wrestling to fail and burn so they can step on the ashes and rule a kingdom of nothing. It's quite bizarre.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2021 22:23:47 GMT -5
I think I’m in that camp. People are so conditioned by WWE or TNA screwing up that when AEW has a minor screw up (In comparison to Revolution, it’s really a minor screwup, even if it’s not really one.) people over react to it and all the people who don’t like AEW come out of the woodwork to laugh like the finger poke of doom just happened all over again. And I will admit my own sensitivity to it. I’ll admit that. That’s my fault. I used to post here years ago almost exclusively in the WWE section, and rarely was that place ever positive about anything, it still isn’t. I don’t blame the posters, because the WWE product is genuinely awful. But in my experience, wrestling fandom on the internet is not a very happy place to be unless the show is an all timer. And AEW has genuinely made me a fan again and I actually care about wrestling. And it is so cool for a company only two years old to be as successful as it is. Like AEW makes me genuinely happy. So it does hurt when something doesn’t go exactly right and people jump all over them. Like the reaction to Revolution honestly depressed me. I know I shouldn’t have felt that way, because it’s only wrestling. I feel AEW is like my last chance to see an actual big time wrestling product that isn’t crappy WWE. And of course, if you think it wasn’t great, you have a right to that opinion and they aren’t perfect, I know AEW isn’t perfect. It’s wrestling. I guess I have to have thicker skin on the internet, especially wrestling on the internet. But that’s my own problem. Nobody hates wrestling and wants wrestling to fail more than its own fans sometimes Not saying that's anyone here, but it truly does feel like there are a camp of "fans" who simply want modern wrestling to fail and burn so they can step on the ashes and rule a kingdom of nothing. It's quite bizarre. I’ve never seen a more self-deprecating area of the internet than r/scjerk and places of its ilk. That’s saying something.
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Post by ASYLUMHAUSEN (Nana is BUNS) on May 5, 2021 22:23:55 GMT -5
So it's pretty much agreed that MJF is going to be the World Champion after Page gets it from Omega right? And then he’ll either lose it back to Hangman or they’ll use it as a way to position Jungle Boy as the 1b to Hangman 1a “long term/future face of the company” - and MJF will still keep all his heat because he’s that goddamn good. Greatest pure heel since Andy Kaufman. Been saying it for years. Even better than Hollywood Rock. Don’t @ me.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on May 5, 2021 22:26:17 GMT -5
So it's pretty much agreed that MJF is going to be the World Champion after Page gets it from Omega right? And then he’ll either lose it back to Hangman or they’ll use it as a way to position Jungle Boy as the 1b to Hangman 1a “long term/future face of the company” - and MJF will still keep all his heat because he’s that goddamn good. Greatest pure heel since Andy Kaufman. Been saying it for years. Even better than Hollywood Rock.Don’t @ me. ... Dem’s fighting words cause Hollywood Rock is my GOAT but I can’t disagree. MJF reached another level by the end of the match.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on May 5, 2021 22:28:08 GMT -5
So it's pretty much agreed that MJF is going to be the World Champion after Page gets it from Omega right? And then he’ll either lose it back to Hangman or they’ll use it as a way to position Jungle Boy as the 1b to Hangman 1a “long term/future face of the company” - and MJF will still keep all his heat because he’s that goddamn good. Greatest pure heel since Andy Kaufman. Been saying it for years. Even better than Hollywood Rock. Don’t @ me. Yeah. There’s no doubt to me that once this Omega run is over he’s passing the baton to MJF. He’s ready to run.
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