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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on May 5, 2021 23:20:07 GMT -5
But people have been bringing up more critiques like this across the board lately. It’s a valid opinion. And Mark saying "A lot of people like the ranking system" also isn't a valid opinion? He wasn't saying people didn't like it or people can't critique it, but he was also saying the feeling isn't totally mutual on the critique. Not my intention if that’s how it was received.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 5, 2021 23:23:53 GMT -5
And Mark saying "A lot of people like the ranking system" also isn't a valid opinion? He wasn't saying people didn't like it or people can't critique it, but he was also saying the feeling isn't totally mutual on the critique. Not my intention if that’s how it was received. It's cool. I could tell you didn't mean it that way I just didn't want anything to devolve into an argument If peeps do or dont like the ranking system it is what it is, we're an opinionated bunch, so long as things remain civil
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Post by toodarkmark on May 5, 2021 23:28:39 GMT -5
And Mark saying "A lot of people like the ranking system" also isn't a valid opinion? He wasn't saying people didn't like it or people can't critique it, but he was also saying the feeling isn't totally mutual on the critique. Not my intention if that’s how it was received. My feelings were hurt I'm a sensitive guy. I have a wishing well I tell secrets.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on May 5, 2021 23:29:42 GMT -5
Not my intention if that’s how it was received. My feelings were hurt I'm a sensitive guy. I have a wishing well I tell secrets. Blood and Guts 2! The stage is set! 😆
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on May 5, 2021 23:30:41 GMT -5
I like the ranking system as an in-universe justification for things that would otherwise just...be. I like that there is a logical, numerical thing to attach to what would otherwise be a vaguely defined and mostly screentime-based sense of importance and pushed-ness. It comes out to about the same thing - the guys who would be getting that vaguer sense of importance are getting the most number padding - but I like that it makes sense in-universe.
But...the storytelling around them has really fallen off in the last few months. The women's booking revolves around them at the cost of meatier character-based storylines (although that issue goes back to November 2019), the world title booking ignored them while Omega extended his stay in Moxley's proximity, and the tag rankings seem to benefit low-level teams (the Acclaimed, Natural Nightmares) while upper-tier teams end up in ridiculous multi-team matches for contendership that, on paper, they have already earned.
Basically, it's a problem because ranking matters for some stories but not for others, and there are seemingly clear rules that can be divined from past booking (Shida and Moxley's reigns have strikingly consistent patterns in regards to the rankings) that are ignored even when paying attention to them would make the story flow better. It's a weird, jarring situation, and it's not helped by the fact that it's all built on wins that happen behind the black for the average Dynamite viewer.
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Post by lucas_lee on May 5, 2021 23:30:59 GMT -5
Id rather see OC vs Omega than him vs Hangman TBH. Im super happy if this go this route, its been one of the matches I was hoping to see
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Post by toodarkmark on May 5, 2021 23:33:49 GMT -5
My feelings were hurt I'm a sensitive guy. I have a wishing well I tell secrets. Blood and Guts 2! The stage is set! 😆 Believe me pal, they'll only be filming me from the back pushing your jabroni ass!
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 5, 2021 23:36:19 GMT -5
Not my intention if that’s how it was received. My feelings were hurt I'm a sensitive guy. I have a wishing well I tell secrets. You have a wishing well?? Daniel Bryan's a free agent man, GET TO WORK!
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on May 5, 2021 23:37:11 GMT -5
Blood and Guts 2! The stage is set! 😆 Believe me pal, they'll only be filming me from the back pushing your jabroni ass! Thank god the metal ramp is balsa wood!
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Post by Dub H on May 6, 2021 5:11:29 GMT -5
The ranking system is more of a guidelime than anything , sometimes theybwill give it to the number one spot a title shot but mostly is a way to see who deserves the shots.
Which I enjoy.
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Post by Blade on May 6, 2021 7:45:24 GMT -5
Ranking system aside (it's a plot device, and like most wrestling plot devices, it's not intrinsically good or bad but depends on how well it's being used in a story), it was beyond irritating how telegraphed OC's win was this week.
Orange Cassidy versus PAC should be a featured match on its own and the culmination of the ongoing feud, not a speedbump to OC getting a title match on the PPV.
It is simply bad storytelling to give away the result of the match so blatantly a week in advance. You could have had Omega cut virtually the exact same promo on Cassidy after he had won (simply have him start the promo assuming PAC won the match, say basically the same things, and Schiavone corrects him, OC comes out, do the rest of the promo the same way), and that way you don't put up a giant SPOILERS: ORANGE CASSIDY WINS sign a week before a match that in theory I should care about.
Also, honestly? PAC deserves better.
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Post by Andy Martin on May 6, 2021 8:15:29 GMT -5
Still, the value of competition should matter Yes, PAC may be undefeated but who is his biggest win over the span? Eddie Kingston which was at the beginning of the year. Hangman Page lost to Brian Cage and if I remember correctly both men were undefeated in singles this year up to that point and Cage is still undefeated so he technically should be number one Not that im clamoring for Cage/Allin again Very boxing-esque how they pad out these records with bums, lol. They just need to have an episode of Dark or Elevation in Tijuana and it’ll REALLY feel like how boxing pads records.
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Post by markymark on May 6, 2021 9:56:36 GMT -5
Ranking system aside (it's a plot device, and like most wrestling plot devices, it's not intrinsically good or bad but depends on how well it's being used in a story), it was beyond irritating how telegraphed OC's win was this week. Orange Cassidy versus PAC should be a featured match on its own and the culmination of the ongoing feud, not a speedbump to OC getting a title match on the PPV. It is simply bad storytelling to give away the result of the match so blatantly a week in advance. You could have had Omega cut virtually the exact same promo on Cassidy after he had won (simply have him start the promo assuming PAC won the match, say basically the same things, and Schiavone corrects him, OC comes out, do the rest of the promo the same way), and that way you don't put up a giant SPOILERS: ORANGE CASSIDY WINS sign a week before a match that in theory I should care about. Also, honestly? PAC deserves better. Its not Pacs fault the damn pandemic cant have AEW fully be behind him.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on May 6, 2021 10:01:08 GMT -5
I get why people get annoyed with the rankings when someone like Max Castor comes in out of nowhere after like 8 wins on DARK because that doesn't make sense to the average viewer. But for guys like PAC and Orange Cassidy, they're clearly pushed top talent so I have no qualms about them being ranked. It's fine.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 6, 2021 11:39:21 GMT -5
I get why people get annoyed with the rankings when someone like Max Castor comes in out of nowhere after like 8 wins on DARK because that doesn't make sense to the average viewer. But for guys like PAC and Orange Cassidy, they're clearly pushed top talent so I have no qualms about them being ranked. It's fine. That's also where I'm at, like it's not like PAC's some shmuck, he isn't Ryan Nemeth beating a bunch of jobber and getting into the rankings, and even when it came to Caster, he beat several established Dark Order members to get number 5, but then he lost to Hangman, it worked out. But when it comes to PAC, it's PAC he's won his last few singles matches in minutes or less, absolutely demolishing people, because he's PAC. Him being within the top 5 makes sense to me.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 6, 2021 11:40:52 GMT -5
Ranking system aside (it's a plot device, and like most wrestling plot devices, it's not intrinsically good or bad but depends on how well it's being used in a story), it was beyond irritating how telegraphed OC's win was this week. Orange Cassidy versus PAC should be a featured match on its own and the culmination of the ongoing feud, not a speedbump to OC getting a title match on the PPV. It is simply bad storytelling to give away the result of the match so blatantly a week in advance. You could have had Omega cut virtually the exact same promo on Cassidy after he had won (simply have him start the promo assuming PAC won the match, say basically the same things, and Schiavone corrects him, OC comes out, do the rest of the promo the same way), and that way you don't put up a giant SPOILERS: ORANGE CASSIDY WINS sign a week before a match that in theory I should care about. Also, honestly? PAC deserves better. It's going to be a great match but even if they didn't telegraph the win PAC wasn't winning. PAC has to spend weeks away on a consistent basis because he constantly goes back home to the UK He will get more when the pandemic restrictions lessen, but if you can't be here constantly for storylines the next best thing to do is be relatively protected but also establish someone as a legit world champion threat, until otherwise.
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Post by chrom on May 6, 2021 11:50:37 GMT -5
Also I don't really understand how Hangman losing one match because of being attacked before the match started caused him to plummet four spots while PAC is in second place after doing f***-all. PAC's been winning matches on the secondary shows, which does matter, especially when he's been doing so in decisive fashion What hurts Hangman is he also goes a full week without competing and might go another full week unless he also competes on the secondary shows. You can really creep up if you do that. Highest tiered guy Pac has beaten on Dark was Serpentico, Serpentico. Everyone else he beat was bums who live in boxcars and fight for sandwiches
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 6, 2021 11:53:33 GMT -5
PAC's been winning matches on the secondary shows, which does matter, especially when he's been doing so in decisive fashion What hurts Hangman is he also goes a full week without competing and might go another full week unless he also competes on the secondary shows. You can really creep up if you do that. Highest tiered guy Pac has beaten on Dark was Serpentico, Serpentico. Everyone else he beat was bums who live in boxcars and fight for sandwiches He also beat Kingston and Nemeth on the main Dynamite shows. The other stat he has going for him is he hasnt been pinned in a full year. And in the end, he's facing the number one wrestler on the roster currently, so ultimately who cares if he beats the number one wrestler on the roster?
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Post by smokinvokoun86 on May 6, 2021 11:54:00 GMT -5
Ranking system aside (it's a plot device, and like most wrestling plot devices, it's not intrinsically good or bad but depends on how well it's being used in a story), it was beyond irritating how telegraphed OC's win was this week. Orange Cassidy versus PAC should be a featured match on its own and the culmination of the ongoing feud, not a speedbump to OC getting a title match on the PPV. It is simply bad storytelling to give away the result of the match so blatantly a week in advance. You could have had Omega cut virtually the exact same promo on Cassidy after he had won (simply have him start the promo assuming PAC won the match, say basically the same things, and Schiavone corrects him, OC comes out, do the rest of the promo the same way), and that way you don't put up a giant SPOILERS: ORANGE CASSIDY WINS sign a week before a match that in theory I should care about. Also, honestly? PAC deserves better. I agree PAC deserves better. But it’s hard to put everything behind him when he’s not on the show most weeks and goes home during a pandemic where to travel as easily. Despite that, he’s still a big name that is treated like a threat each time he comes out.
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Post by kingoftheindies on May 6, 2021 11:58:01 GMT -5
I mean it would have probably been better to not have OC come out to add some intrigue or have Pac come out, but cannot deny that OC is a draw so even if he wouldn't beat Kenny Dailey's Place will be rocking for him
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