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Post by chrom on May 6, 2021 11:58:43 GMT -5
Highest tiered guy Pac has beaten on Dark was Serpentico, Serpentico. Everyone else he beat was bums who live in boxcars and fight for sandwiches He also beat Kingston and Nemeth on the main Dynamite shows. The other stat he has going for him is he hasnt been pinned in a full year. And Kingston's the only one of all he's beaten all year with a winning record.
Wild Bill Irwin beating the likes of Cougar Jay, Bob Emory and Lee Scott in 89 didn't put him in line to challenge Ric Flair
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Post by smokinvokoun86 on May 6, 2021 12:01:39 GMT -5
I mean it would have probably been better to not have OC come out to add some intrigue or have Pac come out, but cannot deny that OC is a draw so even if he wouldn't beat Kenny Dailey's Place will be rocking for him Yeah, I think if you want a super hot crowd, that’s the match you go for. As great as Omega vs PAC has been before, we’ve seen it before. I know there are some people who still see Orange Cassidy as a comedy wrestler, but he is a big draw and one of the biggest baby faces in the company. That match in front of a crowd is going to rock, and I believe can tell a better story.
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Post by kingoftheindies on May 6, 2021 12:08:20 GMT -5
I mean it would have probably been better to not have OC come out to add some intrigue or have Pac come out, but cannot deny that OC is a draw so even if he wouldn't beat Kenny Dailey's Place will be rocking for him Yeah, I think if you want a super hot crowd, that’s the match you go for. As great as Omega vs PAC has been before, we’ve seen it before. I know there are some people who still see Orange Cassidy as a comedy wrestler, but he is a big draw and one of the biggest baby faces in the company. That match in front of a crowd is going to rock, and I believe can tell a better story. Yep. OC doesn't need a title right now. But getting a crowd invested and having a good showing with Kenny? That'll do a lot more for AEW long term. I always mention New Japan but I'll continue to as its a common practice Gedo uses. You either have a surprise title win to elevate someone, or you have them have a big time showing in defeat. Either way the end goal is to plant the seeds for down the road. I think western audiences are too used to filler feuds, but again OC is clearly a draw.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2021 12:42:14 GMT -5
Maybe it will be a triple threat? I'd honestly be shocked. Triple theats really aren't AEW's thing They probably don't want to get bogged down in that WWE shit where the person who wasn't pinned always wants a singles match after. Maybe they could do their triple threats ECW style so there's more of a definitive winner.
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Post by Cyno on May 6, 2021 12:47:48 GMT -5
Triple threats can be interesting but WWE's pissed in that pool a few too many times as a booking cop-out. So I'd like to see how, or if, AEW would book theirs to be different.
Making theirs more like ECW's three way dance, where it's an elimination match instead of one fall winning the entire thing, could be better.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on May 6, 2021 14:31:39 GMT -5
I mean it would have probably been better to not have OC come out to add some intrigue or have Pac come out, but cannot deny that OC is a draw so even if he wouldn't beat Kenny Dailey's Place will be rocking for him If Pac couldn't come out or wasn't there don't have OC come out. ITs that simple.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 6, 2021 14:56:51 GMT -5
He also beat Kingston and Nemeth on the main Dynamite shows. The other stat he has going for him is he hasnt been pinned in a full year. And Kingston's the only one of all he's beaten all year with a winning record.
Wild Bill Irwin beating the likes of Cougar Jay, Bob Emory and Lee Scott in 89 didn't put him in line to challenge Ric Flair
PAC isn't challenging the champion, he's been given a chance to challenge the champion, but in order to do so, he has to beat someone who if he were to beat him, he would be a legit contender for the champion since he beat the number one ranked guy in the rankings in general PAC's got the pedigree to step up for this, I really don't see him out of place whatsoever
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Post by Cyno on May 6, 2021 14:58:46 GMT -5
Orange Cassidy is #1 and Pac is #2. If Pac beats Orange, he becomes the new #1. If Orange wins, he maintains his #1. Don't really need to overthink this.
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Post by Blade on May 6, 2021 17:08:26 GMT -5
It's going to be a great match but even if they didn't telegraph the win PAC wasn't winning. PAC has to spend weeks away on a consistent basis because he constantly goes back home to the UK He will get more when the pandemic restrictions lessen, but if you can't be here constantly for storylines the next best thing to do is be relatively protected but also establish someone as a legit world champion threat, until otherwise. That's all well and good, sure, but I'm talking in kayfabe. Even if you know what the outcome has to be, treating the match itself like a foregone conclusion is saying "don't care about this match". And that's what I'm saying is bad storytelling. Putting it another way, nothing you're saying precludes them from building up what on paper should be a compelling match between two top guys as something you want to see, rather than as a meaningless speedbump. Besides, it also assumes the entire audience knows what's going with PAC's situation, which isn't the case - he shows up plenty on the show.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 6, 2021 17:19:46 GMT -5
It's going to be a great match but even if they didn't telegraph the win PAC wasn't winning. PAC has to spend weeks away on a consistent basis because he constantly goes back home to the UK He will get more when the pandemic restrictions lessen, but if you can't be here constantly for storylines the next best thing to do is be relatively protected but also establish someone as a legit world champion threat, until otherwise. That's all well and good, sure, but I'm talking in kayfabe. Even if you know what the outcome has to be, treating the match itself like a foregone conclusion is saying "don't care about this match". And that's what I'm saying is bad storytelling. Putting it another way, nothing you're saying precludes them from building up what on paper should be a compelling match between two top guys as something you want to see, rather than as a meaningless speedbump. Besides, it also assumes the entire audience knows what's going with PAC's situation, which isn't the case - he shows up plenty on the show. I am sure PAC will respond in kind before the match starts even on the Road To, but I don't mind Omega treating Cassidy like an afterthought because that's inherently the gimmick and Omega has never faced him, he has faced and lost to PAC, so he simply expects PAC to win, and beat Orange, like he had before. I get people being miffed it kinda telegraphs the win, but I also get the notion in kayfabe that Omega would dress down Orange if you will even with him on a great run this year. PAC's a whole other demon.
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Post by Ronny Rayguns Is All Elite on May 6, 2021 19:01:05 GMT -5
After all this I hope they swerve us and have PAC win clean as a whistle
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Post by bob on May 6, 2021 19:38:10 GMT -5
How about this, I challenge YOU to a FAN Championship #1 Contender's Match!!! Now to make the rest of the segment all about me so *I'm* declared the favorite...You’re on!
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Post by bog on May 6, 2021 19:55:41 GMT -5
I was fine with the OC/Omega thing since they need to start giving these two some heat with each other, as others have said. Even if it does make it a little more obvious, it works
The SCU thing was stupid though. We're the number 1 team and we are going to take those titles from you unless we break up next week
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Post by bog on May 6, 2021 19:59:27 GMT -5
Really I think trying to do a ranking system in wrestling is just an inherently stupid idea. There's no way to make it work and leads to a lot of stupid shit like Tay and Britt for some reason getting a title shot just for being #1 but SCU having to do that pointless four way. And Miro getting a title shot seemingly just because he wants one. I have issues with the ranking system, but I have bigger issues with the WWE system of “if it didn’t happen today, it doesn’t matter” that produces stuff like random main eventer Jinder Mahal, so I’ll take it. I just think that beating other ranked people should matter more than strictly the W/L record. It would be kind of cool if they had a Joe Lunardi type analyzing why the rankings are what they are on the YouTube Channel weekly or something. Also, it has to be said that AEW knows that the ranking system is kind of goofy. It’s like half of Britt Baker’s character at the moment. Yeah I've never really paid attention to them, it's always been just a fun stupid thing they have going on. I do think it helps with them being able to bring up win streaks etc. more often. A guy may not have a title or be in a feud, but he can be in a good ranking just for being good at that moment
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Post by markymark on May 6, 2021 20:19:54 GMT -5
I was fine with the OC/Omega thing since they need to start giving these two some heat with each other, as others have said. Even if it does make it a little more obvious, it works The SCU thing was stupid though. We're the number 1 team and we are going to take those titles from you unless we break up next weekFelt more like they wanted to showcase the other young talent, you bring a good point though
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on May 9, 2021 12:24:38 GMT -5
Orange Cassidy is going to be the Sans in Omega genocide title run. That is a fantastic way to put it...
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Post by toodarkmark on May 9, 2021 13:54:16 GMT -5
I was fine with the OC/Omega thing since they need to start giving these two some heat with each other, as others have said. Even if it does make it a little more obvious, it works The SCU thing was stupid though. We're the number 1 team and we are going to take those titles from you unless we break up next week What's interesting about this statement is that in the Should Elevation and Dark count towards wins thread, it was said that it was stupid that SCU DIDN'T face all the other ranked teams. So there is a complaint they didn't face them and a complaint that they did face them, so does the complaint become they didn't face them in the right order, on the right show, at the right dates?
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Post by bog on May 9, 2021 15:22:41 GMT -5
I was fine with the OC/Omega thing since they need to start giving these two some heat with each other, as others have said. Even if it does make it a little more obvious, it works The SCU thing was stupid though. We're the number 1 team and we are going to take those titles from you unless we break up next week What's interesting about this statement is that in the Should Elevation and Dark count towards wins thread, it was said that it was stupid that SCU DIDN'T face all the other ranked teams. So there is a complaint they didn't face them and a complaint that they did face them, so does the complaint become they didn't face them in the right order, on the right show, at the right dates? So I said something and someone else said a different thing How do I block someone again? It's been too long
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2021 21:44:49 GMT -5
And I guess they did. Progress!
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on May 12, 2021 21:49:20 GMT -5
And I guess they did. Progress! Hey, as long as you have Tony's ear now, more TV time for Shida next? lol
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