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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jul 3, 2021 11:18:21 GMT -5
Even if Vega herself stops pursuing the matter, surely what’s-her-name from Beverly Hills 90210 that leads Screen Actors Guild would still be looking into it. Or was that a bunch of lip service on their behalf too, like that one Senator? Andrew Yang was a presidential candidate and not a Senator, he got too busy running his failed attempt to become the mayor of NYC. >_> Correction, a badly failed attempt where he went from favorite to dead last |
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Post by msc on Jul 3, 2021 11:19:20 GMT -5
Or you know, this is crazy but hear me out here, she still has bills to pay and needs to eat, and none of the other wrestling companies were touching her because anti-union stance in wrestling isn't a Vince only quirk, and faced with no likely employment she's been forced to be pragmatic.
Insane theory I know but you know, in the wheelhouse of likelihoods if you ask me!
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Post by Tenshigure on Jul 3, 2021 11:24:43 GMT -5
If this is what she wants, I'm happy for her since it isn't easy to make it in wrestling.
With that said, my sympathy is going to very much harder to win over this time around. I don't even necessarily care about the unionization talks since we all knew that's a futile conversation; if she complains about not being able to do what she wants with her social accounts, or her lack of any push or whatever, it'll fall on deaf ears in round two.
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Jul 3, 2021 11:25:09 GMT -5
she might have seen a real scary dog outside the union store
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Post by polarbearpete on Jul 3, 2021 12:02:11 GMT -5
maybe she saw a scary skeleton at the library when she was going to get a copy of Das Kapital out, and you can't really blame her, we don't know if that's true or not so we cant really argue or even post until we know every single avenue she explored in writing You can speculate, sure. But saying you’re disappointed for someone putting their beliefs aside or saying they are a coward, both of which were said in this thread, seems like a leap to take when she actually did appear to be at least exploring unionization via SAG. Many reasons why she may have changed her stance besides saying that she’s a coward. |
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Post by polarbearpete on Jul 3, 2021 12:03:23 GMT -5
The uphill battle with unionization is two fold: 1) you would have to fight to change the classification of wrestlers from independent contractors to employees; and 2) you would need to get a majority of the wrestlers to vote for unionization.
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Post by Perd on Jul 3, 2021 12:39:01 GMT -5
Would wrestlers who’ve appeared in movies and TV shows, like Miz and edge, have SAG protection? Particularly with something like healthcare?
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Post by Gus Richlen: Ruffian on Jul 3, 2021 12:45:05 GMT -5
Would wrestlers who’ve appeared in movies and TV shows, like Miz and edge, have SAG protection? Particularly with something like healthcare? I believe so but I more than likely am could be wrong. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2021 13:00:00 GMT -5
maybe she saw a scary skeleton at the library when she was going to get a copy of Das Kapital out, and you can't really blame her, we don't know if that's true or not so we cant really argue or even post until we know every single avenue she explored in writing You can speculate, sure. But saying you’re disappointed for someone in putting their beliefs aside or saying they are a coward, both of which were said in this thread, seems like a leap to take when she actually did appear to be at least exploring unionization via SAG. Many reasons why she may have changed her stance besides saying that she’s a coward. I'm going to respectfully disagree. You're correct in that there are a multitude of reasons why she's changed her mind. And that's fine. However, when she left she made it fully clear that she was being released in part because of her outspokenness and openly called for the unionization of wrestling. And as you note she was openly exploring that. Since deciding to return, which seems to have been in the works for a while, she has gone completely silent on the topic. Deleting the tweet where she made her thoughts clear, and joining the organisation that a. Fired her. B. Directly oppose something that she made clear she believed in leads me to one of two conclusions. 1. She never believed in it in the first place and was just making noise. 2. She has given up on her beliefs in order to rejoin the enemy organisation. 3. She has changed her mind after thorough research and the way she communicates this is to delete the tweet that signaled her beliefs. And I have zero, absolutely zero doubt that this was mandated by her new employers, or she's done this in order to appease them. Vega going back is fine, she has a career and needs to make the right choices for herself. But, as I said earlier and fully stand behind, deleting the tweet is the act of a coward. |
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Post by Mid-Carder on Jul 3, 2021 13:12:32 GMT -5
Money talks loudest, as always.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jul 3, 2021 13:20:13 GMT -5
Would wrestlers who’ve appeared in movies and TV shows, like Miz and edge, have SAG protection? Particularly with something like healthcare? Most likely For sure Miz and Edge should def have it since Edge was working on a TV show and Miz has his reality show plus movies. I assume same shit for Cody Rhodes. It would probably be up in the air for someone like Sasha Banks who only has the Mandalorian role but I assume she is set up moving forward especially since she used her real name |
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Post by PKO on Jul 3, 2021 13:21:24 GMT -5
So this is interesting... When Zelina was released and they were cracking down on superstars doing outside sponsorship and partnerships etc, there was a story about how much money Mandy Rose and Lana were making (and thus, going to be missing out on) from Instagram ads. Well, Mandy (who did ads pretty regularly back then) immediately stopped, and today she posted her first ad since then; a paid partnership with C4 Energy drink that uses her WWE name and is filmed in one of the WWE studios. https://www.instagram.com/p/CQ3qrpGDpLl |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jul 3, 2021 13:27:51 GMT -5
So this is interesting... When Zelina was released and they were cracking down on superstars doing outside sponsorship and partnerships etc, there was a story about how much money Mandy Rose and Lana were making (and thus, going to be missing out on) from Instagram ads. Well, Mandy (who did ads pretty regularly back then) immediately stopped, and today she posted her first ad since then; a paid partnership with C4 Energy drink that uses her WWE name and is filmed in one of the WWE studios. https://www.instagram.com/p/CQ3qrpGDpLl Montez Ford has one too, this is most likely a WWE partnership https://www.instagram.com/p/CQ32N1dHXyO |
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Jul 3, 2021 13:29:12 GMT -5
maybe she saw a scary skeleton at the library when she was going to get a copy of Das Kapital out, and you can't really blame her, we don't know if that's true or not so we cant really argue or even post until we know every single avenue she explored in writing You can speculate, sure. But saying you’re disappointed for someone putting their beliefs aside or saying they are a coward, both of which were said in this thread, seems like a leap to take when she actually did appear to be at least exploring unionization via SAG. Many reasons why she may have changed her stance besides saying that she’s a coward. I agree with you that there's still possibility of her being a coward |
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Post by Feyrhausen on Jul 3, 2021 13:34:53 GMT -5
Would wrestlers who’ve appeared in movies and TV shows, like Miz and edge, have SAG protection? Particularly with something like healthcare? Most likely For sure Miz and Edge should def have it since Edge was working on a TV show and Miz has his reality show plus movies. I assume same shit for Cody Rhodes. It would probably be up in the air for someone like Sasha Banks who only has the Mandalorian role but I assume she is set up moving forward especially since she used her real name Mick Fo!ey talked in his book about getting into SAG for a Chef Boyardee commercial and having access to the insurance. Im sure any wrestler who can jumps on that. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2021 13:37:18 GMT -5
Would wrestlers who’ve appeared in movies and TV shows, like Miz and edge, have SAG protection? Particularly with something like healthcare? Yea those that have appeared in movies and TV shows would be protected under sag but also I think a pre-requeset is they need a certain number of roles and or episodes under their preverbial belt to qualify. Someone like Morrison who has a fair ammount of movies and his time in LU gave him a nice chunk of TV episodes is a very likely sag protected already. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jul 3, 2021 13:42:22 GMT -5
Most likely For sure Miz and Edge should def have it since Edge was working on a TV show and Miz has his reality show plus movies. I assume same shit for Cody Rhodes. It would probably be up in the air for someone like Sasha Banks who only has the Mandalorian role but I assume she is set up moving forward especially since she used her real name Mick Fo!ey talked in his book about getting into SAG for a Chef Boyardee commercial and having access to the insurance. Im sure any wrestler who can jumps on that. I remember TJP showing off his SAG card he has when he was going commercials as a kid I assume it runs out at some point assuming you not taking roles in years or obviously if you stop paying the fees associated |
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jul 3, 2021 13:56:54 GMT -5
Even if Vega herself stops pursuing the matter, surely what’s-her-name from Beverly Hills 90210 that leads Screen Actors Guild would still be looking into it. Or was that a bunch of lip service on their behalf too, like that one Senator? Who are you to doubt Gabrielle Carteres? |
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Post by polarbearpete on Jul 3, 2021 14:33:55 GMT -5
You can speculate, sure. But saying you’re disappointed for someone putting their beliefs aside or saying they are a coward, both of which were said in this thread, seems like a leap to take when she actually did appear to be at least exploring unionization via SAG. Many reasons why she may have changed her stance besides saying that she’s a coward. I agree with you that there's still possibility of her being a coward Sure I guess there is still a possibility, but are you comfortable calling someone a coward based on speculation and no actual knowledge? |
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Post by polarbearpete on Jul 3, 2021 14:35:36 GMT -5
You can speculate, sure. But saying you’re disappointed for someone in putting their beliefs aside or saying they are a coward, both of which were said in this thread, seems like a leap to take when she actually did appear to be at least exploring unionization via SAG. Many reasons why she may have changed her stance besides saying that she’s a coward. I'm going to respectfully disagree. You're correct in that there are a multitude of reasons why she's changed her mind. And that's fine. However, when she left she made it fully clear that she was being released in part because of her outspokenness and openly called for the unionization of wrestling. And as you note she was openly exploring that. Since deciding to return, which seems to have been in the works for a while, she has gone completely silent on the topic. Deleting the tweet where she made her thoughts clear, and joining the organisation that a. Fired her. B. Directly oppose something that she made clear she believed in leads me to one of two conclusions. 1. She never believed in it in the first place and was just making noise. 2. She has given up on her beliefs in order to rejoin the enemy organisation. 3. She has changed her mind after thorough research and the way she communicates this is to delete the tweet that signaled her beliefs. And I have zero, absolutely zero doubt that this was mandated by her new employers, or she's done this in order to appease them. Vega going back is fine, she has a career and needs to make the right choices for herself. But, as I said earlier and fully stand behind, deleting the tweet is the act of a coward. You point out yourself that there are at least two plausible reasons (1 and 3) that would mean that she’s not being a coward at all, and I’d say there are more. So having confidence enough that number 2 is the reason to call her a coward seems like a leap. That’s what I was saying. |
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