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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on May 13, 2021 13:02:06 GMT -5
For the people thinking she would have went to AEW, you do realize that both Tony Khan and Cody Rhodes are actively against unions, right? Tony has been vocal in the past about the players association for the NFL, to the point of where the NFLPA actively warns players from signing with the Jags due to their anti-union practices. Also she is likely coming back because the income from her Twitch stream and OnlyFans ended up plummeting after she was released. I think people thought she'd sign with AEW because they would let her do her Twitch and possibly OF while being able to make a living wrestling vs. going back to the abusive employer without anything changing. AEW may be anti-union but at least they generally treat their talent like actual human beings, which makes the need for a union much less necessary.
That said, we don't know if there was even any interest between the two sides.
The one thing we know is Tony Khan mentioned he had been tracking when her 90 day non-compete was up. I'd be shocked if they didn't have any sort of conversations. Ditto for other promotions out there. Sometimes things don't materialize for a lot of reasons but you wouldn't be tracking stuff like that if you weren't interested. |
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on May 13, 2021 13:04:06 GMT -5
If talk of unions are used by opportunists then the term just stays as some unattainable dream subject that gets discussed about as often as rebooking the invasion. Like nothing against her or Black personally for wanting to stay secure and paid but EEECHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH to the preamble to all this now in hindsight. I find it v gross. They can’t do it by themselves, and certainly not if they’re not in the company. They’d most likely need a majority of the wrestlers in the company to certify interest in unionization for there to even be the potential of a WWE-based union. Yeah agreed, ergo using the notion of powerful talks with labor unions only to eventually just re-sign is just doing WWE a favor in the long run. If talent aren't serious they need to shut the f*** up about it in future/next time this happens. |
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Post by polarbearpete on May 13, 2021 13:06:04 GMT -5
They can’t do it by themselves, and certainly not if they’re not in the company. They’d most likely need a majority of the wrestlers in the company to certify interest in unionization for there to even be the potential of a WWE-based union. Yeah agreed, ergo using the notion of powerful talks with labor unions only to eventually just re-sign is just doing WWE a favor in the long run. If talent aren't serious they need to shut the f*** up about it in future/next time this happens. It’s quite possible that she was serious about it and then after looking into it realized the difficulties/impossibility of it happening. I’d also imagine she was quite charged at the time due to being fired and was willing to say some things she might not have even meant. I’m certainly not going to blame her for either of those scenarios. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 13, 2021 13:15:06 GMT -5
Yeah agreed, ergo using the notion of powerful talks with labor unions only to eventually just re-sign is just doing WWE a favor in the long run. If talent aren't serious they need to shut the f*** up about it in future/next time this happens. It’s quite possible that she was serious about it and then after looking into it realized the difficulties/impossibility of it happening. I’d also imagine she was quite charged at the time due to being fired and was willing to say some things she might not have even meant. I’m certainly not going to blame her for either of those scenarios. And if she is that serious about a union in wrestling and not just WWE in general she would have this fight everywhere she would go and blackball herself out of it Why put yourself through that stress? Yes, she could have went to AEW, ROH, wherever but they don't have unions either. Don't matter how nice they treat you when that is what you want as your bottom line Once again I repeat, she got fired. She stood behind her convictions but she still got to eat when it don't look like nobody in wrestling is going to take the same leap she did |
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on May 13, 2021 13:19:01 GMT -5
It’s quite possible that she was serious about it and then after looking into it realized the difficulties/impossibility of it happening. I’d also imagine she was quite charged at the time due to being fired and was willing to say some things she might not have even meant. I’m certainly not going to blame her for either of those scenarios. And if she is that serious about a union in wrestling and not just WWE in general she would have this fight everywhere she would go and blackball herself out of it Why put yourself through that stress? Yes, she could have went to AEW, ROH, wherever but they don't have unions either. Don't matter how nice they treat you when that is what you want as your bottom line Once again I repeat, she got fired. She stood behind her convictions but she still got to eat when it don't look like nobody in wrestling is going to take the same leap she did Union talk in most places that dont have them come to this conclusion every single time and it's still as disappointing no matter the circumstance whichever industry it happens in. There's nothing on her to be doing it but again, alluding to it is only gonna look like a throwaway bargaining gimmick when things like this happen over and over again. It's indirectly doing WWE a favour, making unions and fair treatment seem like a far off unattainable dream and it pushes selfishness. Like after all this, we're in double figure discussion page numbers and here we are again at the end giving unions the Pete Rose "maybe next year huh". It's one thing to self preserve, it's another to throw everybody elses down as a way to get a better contract. |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2021 13:19:43 GMT -5
Well, that's weird.
I've missed her, though. I hope they put her with Black.
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Post by polarbearpete on May 13, 2021 13:22:17 GMT -5
And if she is that serious about a union in wrestling and not just WWE in general she would have this fight everywhere she would go and blackball herself out of it Why put yourself through that stress? Yes, she could have went to AEW, ROH, wherever but they don't have unions either. Don't matter how nice they treat you when that is what you want as your bottom line Once again I repeat, she got fired. She stood behind her convictions but she still got to eat when it don't look like nobody in wrestling is going to take the same leap she did Union talk in most places that dont have them come to this conclusion every single time and it's still as disappointing no matter the circumstance whichever industry it happens in. There's nothing on her to be doing it but again, alluding to it is only gonna look like a throwaway bargaining gimmick when things like this happen over and over again. It's indirectly doing WWE a favour, making unions and fair treatment seem like a far off unattainable dream and it pushes selfishness. Like after all this, we're in double figure discussion page numbers and here we are again at the end giving unions the Pete Rose "maybe next year huh". It's one thing to self preserve, it's another to throw everybody elses down as a way to get a better contract. This is different than most other jobs, though, in that the wrestlers are currently legally classified as independent contractors, and thus don’t have the right to form a union. So it’s not as simple as just filing a petition with the NLRB with enough signatures to constitute a showing of interest. There’s also an entire legal battle to be won in classifying the wrestlers as employees. |
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on May 13, 2021 13:23:54 GMT -5
Union talk in most places that dont have them come to this conclusion every single time and it's still as disappointing no matter the circumstance whichever industry it happens in. There's nothing on her to be doing it but again, alluding to it is only gonna look like a throwaway bargaining gimmick when things like this happen over and over again. It's indirectly doing WWE a favour, making unions and fair treatment seem like a far off unattainable dream and it pushes selfishness. Like after all this, we're in double figure discussion page numbers and here we are again at the end giving unions the Pete Rose "maybe next year huh". It's one thing to self preserve, it's another to throw everybody elses down as a way to get a better contract. This is different than most other jobs, though, in that the wrestlers are currently legally classified as independent contractors, and thus don’t have the right to form a union. So it’s not as simple as just filing a petition with the NLRB with enough signatures to constitute a showing of interest. There’s also an entire legal battle to be won in classifying the wrestlers as employees. these all sounds worth working towards, especially when the working environment and the company itself who potentially have just fired you make it as difficult as you've described to gain any sort of workplace safety. Something i'd personally think about before talking about it, because again it just looks gross and again kicks union talk further away. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 13, 2021 13:27:27 GMT -5
And if she is that serious about a union in wrestling and not just WWE in general she would have this fight everywhere she would go and blackball herself out of it Why put yourself through that stress? Yes, she could have went to AEW, ROH, wherever but they don't have unions either. Don't matter how nice they treat you when that is what you want as your bottom line Once again I repeat, she got fired. She stood behind her convictions but she still got to eat when it don't look like nobody in wrestling is going to take the same leap she did Union talk in most places that dont have them come to this conclusion every single time and it's still as disappointing no matter the circumstance whichever industry it happens in. There's nothing on her to be doing it but again, alluding to it is only gonna look like a throwaway bargaining gimmick when things like this happen over and over again. It's indirectly doing WWE a favour, making unions and fair treatment seem like a far off unattainable dream and it pushes selfishness. Like after all this, we're in double figure discussion page numbers and here we are again at the end giving unions the Pete Rose "maybe next year huh". It's one thing to self preserve, it's another to throw everybody elses down as a way to get a better contract. Tho I don't think it is fair to put it on her shoulders tho She tried and she got shitted on by WWE and by extension her peers as well. If she didn't get fired than it would be a bargaining tool but she got kicked out so she don't have nothing to bargain with. Now, if she came crawling back on her knees begging for a job than it would make her look bad but we don't know that. She can't bargain Union with WWE cause they going tell her to f*** off again. She has no leverage whatsoever with that talk If anything her bargaining is only due to being a free agent which WWE made her. End of day she is going get cut a check to do her job. If wrestlers want a union i'm sure she will be active with that again but there is no point in fighting a solo battle and losing your check |
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on May 13, 2021 13:37:15 GMT -5
Union talk in most places that dont have them come to this conclusion every single time and it's still as disappointing no matter the circumstance whichever industry it happens in. There's nothing on her to be doing it but again, alluding to it is only gonna look like a throwaway bargaining gimmick when things like this happen over and over again. It's indirectly doing WWE a favour, making unions and fair treatment seem like a far off unattainable dream and it pushes selfishness. Like after all this, we're in double figure discussion page numbers and here we are again at the end giving unions the Pete Rose "maybe next year huh". It's one thing to self preserve, it's another to throw everybody elses down as a way to get a better contract. Tho I don't think it is fair to put it on her shoulders tho She tried and she got shitted on by WWE and by extension her peers as well. If she didn't get fired than it would be a bargaining tool but she got kicked out so she don't have nothing to bargain with. Now, if she came crawling back on her knees begging for a job than it would make her look bad but we don't know that. She can't bargain Union with WWE cause they going tell her to f*** off again. She has no leverage whatsoever with that talk If anything her bargaining is only due to being a free agent which WWE made her. End of day she is going get cut a check to do her job. If wrestlers want a union i'm sure she will be active with that again but there is no point in fighting a solo battle and losing your check This all makes sense, but my point is the talk of unions and reports of talking to labour unions right after all this, and Andrew Yang lurking among it all now just looks like insincere self interest thats used the possibility of this happening to help nobody but themselves. Zelina's the last notable case I can think of where it actually came up as a talking point outside of the usual wrestling bubble, and look at the union discussion today and how many people are back to maybe some day'ing the idea. It's exactly how WWE want thing to go. It's as simple as not bringing it up if it's never, ever going to be your intention and this isn't even some sort of failure or trying and not succeeding. It reduces unions to a gambling tool. Starting one isn't on her shoulders, involving them is, and i'm sorry but if you're (royal you, not you personally) going to do that you have to expect people to take you seriously because it's a serious thing to be discussing. |
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on May 13, 2021 13:43:06 GMT -5
They saw that adorable picture of her in a Pikachu outfit and just had to have her back.
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Post by polarbearpete on May 13, 2021 13:51:03 GMT -5
Tho I don't think it is fair to put it on her shoulders tho She tried and she got shitted on by WWE and by extension her peers as well. If she didn't get fired than it would be a bargaining tool but she got kicked out so she don't have nothing to bargain with. Now, if she came crawling back on her knees begging for a job than it would make her look bad but we don't know that. She can't bargain Union with WWE cause they going tell her to f*** off again. She has no leverage whatsoever with that talk If anything her bargaining is only due to being a free agent which WWE made her. End of day she is going get cut a check to do her job. If wrestlers want a union i'm sure she will be active with that again but there is no point in fighting a solo battle and losing your check This all makes sense, but my point is the talk of unions and reports of talking to labour unions right after all this, and Andrew Yang lurking among it all now just looks like insincere self interest thats used the possibility of this happening to help nobody but themselves. Zelina's the last notable case I can think of where it actually came up as a talking point outside of the usual wrestling bubble, and look at the union discussion today and how many people are back to maybe some day'ing the idea. It's exactly how WWE want thing to go. It's as simple as not bringing it up if it's never, ever going to be your intention and this isn't even some sort of failure or trying and not succeeding. It reduces unions to a gambling tool. Starting one isn't on her shoulders, involving them is, and i'm sorry but if you're (royal you, not you personally) going to do that you have to expect people to take you seriously because it's a serious thing to be discussing. You don’t know that it was “never, ever” going to be her intention. Maybe she thought it’d be simpler than it would be. And it’s doubtful but for all we know she could be angling to get back into the company so that she can try to start a union. She’s not going to be able to start it from outside the company. |
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on May 13, 2021 13:54:28 GMT -5
This all makes sense, but my point is the talk of unions and reports of talking to labour unions right after all this, and Andrew Yang lurking among it all now just looks like insincere self interest thats used the possibility of this happening to help nobody but themselves. Zelina's the last notable case I can think of where it actually came up as a talking point outside of the usual wrestling bubble, and look at the union discussion today and how many people are back to maybe some day'ing the idea. It's exactly how WWE want thing to go. It's as simple as not bringing it up if it's never, ever going to be your intention and this isn't even some sort of failure or trying and not succeeding. It reduces unions to a gambling tool. Starting one isn't on her shoulders, involving them is, and i'm sorry but if you're (royal you, not you personally) going to do that you have to expect people to take you seriously because it's a serious thing to be discussing. You don’t know that it was “never, ever” going to be her intention. Maybe she thought it’d be simpler than it would be. And it’s doubtful but for all we know she could be angling to get back into the company so that she can try to start a union. She’s not going to be able to start it from outside the company. im choosing to believe from now on then that Zelina is working for a rival TV show called undercover union organiser |
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Post by BatPunk on May 13, 2021 14:20:21 GMT -5
I heard she was walking around the PC in a fur coat being disrespectful to the top guys and not shaking their hands.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on May 13, 2021 14:24:42 GMT -5
Like someone said before I don't think she really had any intention of starting a union and it was more her getting fired over the Twitch thing and then making that post about unions because she wanted to get a rise out of people. I think this was one of those deals where they probably didn't really want to fire her to begin with but she dug her heels in on the Twitch thing and they had to make an example out of while probably telling her "keep your head down and we'll bring you back as soon as possible".
Obviously they must see a lot in her to bring her back so soon especially with the recent cut backs. It is surprising since basically she only really only has value as a manager which is something they haven't cared much about for years. She really doesn't bring much to the table as a wrestler as I never found her work that impressive and with her being so tiny she wasn't believable at all. I think she has value but I don't think she's really a game changer or anything. Unless I guess maybe they value Aleister more then we think and this was done to appease him with it now looking like they want to start featuring him again.
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Post by koreycaskets on May 13, 2021 15:23:39 GMT -5
Even though I hope she's back and goes to NXT as a wrestler/ manager has anyone thought of this?
Her garbage bag got sent back Return to Sender and she was just there picking up her belongings?
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Post by glorious83 on May 13, 2021 15:58:30 GMT -5
I truly hope she comes back. The Zelina segment counter just hasn’t been the same without her.
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Post by Legion on May 13, 2021 16:18:47 GMT -5
Oh good, the idea people had to turn Legado Del Fantasma face and add a female so they could feud with Swerve's new group just found it's female to add.
Else she could join her husband and they could do something with Karrion and Scarlett
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2021 16:42:50 GMT -5
It would be interesting to see Zelina and Candice now on the opposite ends of the babyface and heel side against eachother.
I still prefer Franky/Taya aligned with Legado considering that history though.
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Post by y4j1981 on May 13, 2021 16:47:30 GMT -5
I wonder if this has anything to do with Black's recent promos and returning to television. Maybe a deal was reached where for Zelina to return, Black gets to return to tv...but until anybody says anything, can only guess
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