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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2021 19:53:28 GMT -5
Watch them put Liv in a team with Naomi. I will throw things at you if this happens. That's fair.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jun 4, 2021 2:45:47 GMT -5
I can't get past sometimes how Liv has basically EVERYTHING WWE would want on paper.
There are better wrestlers, but she's plenty competent.
She has a great look, both in terms of being gorgeous and in terms of standing out and having a lot of personality.
She has charisma, and can be fun, just pure fun.
And WWE does not seem to consistently see anything in her. Like, a lot of this applies to Lana, too, but I get that the move away from the Russian gimmick lost a lot of people that never quite came around on her. What's the excuse with Liv?
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Jun 4, 2021 3:51:58 GMT -5
I can't get past sometimes how Liv has basically EVERYTHING WWE would want on paper. There are better wrestlers, but she's plenty competent. She has a great look, both in terms of being gorgeous and in terms of standing out and having a lot of personality. She has charisma, and can be fun, just pure fun. And WWE does not seem to consistently see anything in her. Like, a lot of this applies to Lana, too, but I get that the move away from the Russian gimmick lost a lot of people that never quite came around on her. What's the excuse with Liv? Lana also just wasn't very good in the ring. Best thing she had going for her was her look and there's just simply other look girls who are younger and bring more to the table talent wise. Really once Rusev started becoming more multi dimensional she kind of outlived her usefullness. She apparently put a lot of effort in but there's just some people who just aren't cut out for it. Then again I guess you can say the same for Eva Marie who is slightly older and basically is a lesser Lana skillset wise but they're giving it another try with her for whatever reason so who knows. Liv is definitely a headscratcher especially when you factor in she's also still only in her mid 20's. I mean she really ticks pretty much all of their boxes. Good looking, young, homegrown, and has also developed into a pretty good worker over the last few years. I mean I think any promoter would see potential there and try to do something with her but yet they don't. I guess maybe because her promos are a bit weak but I think with her being more of a young underdog babyface character I don't think she's someone that needs to be cutting long promos anyways. I guess maybe she has heat with someone in management? I know she kind of got pissy on Twitter about a year ago because they cut out her offense in a match against Natalya on a taped Raw making it look like she got squashed although they still put pics of it on the website with her sarcastically thanking them. Didn't seem like they held it against her that much though as she apologized and her and Ruby really didn't start to get buried until several months later. They were used "ok" their first few months after reuniting. However if she were to have heat I don't think she would've been able to survive these recent roster cuts. Although I guess it could just be a case of them not wanting her to go to AEW and become a star and she probably isn't on that high of a salary so it's not going to be that costly to keep her on the payroll.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Jun 4, 2021 4:35:35 GMT -5
I will throw things at you if this happens. That's fair. They're on different shows so I don't think it's anything to worry about. If they were though they definitely would throw them together and call them Riott Glow or some other stupid name with no thought put into it. Like how many times have they put Naomi in these random tag teams that don't go anywhere? There was her Asuka, her and Lana, her and Carmella. There was also her and Tamina but they are actually related so I guess at least there was a reasoning for it. I'm sure there's others that I'm forgetting.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jun 4, 2021 4:42:46 GMT -5
I can't get past sometimes how Liv has basically EVERYTHING WWE would want on paper. There are better wrestlers, but she's plenty competent. She has a great look, both in terms of being gorgeous and in terms of standing out and having a lot of personality. She has charisma, and can be fun, just pure fun. And WWE does not seem to consistently see anything in her. Like, a lot of this applies to Lana, too, but I get that the move away from the Russian gimmick lost a lot of people that never quite came around on her. What's the excuse with Liv? Lana also just wasn't very good in the ring. Best thing she had going for her was her look and there's just simply other look girls who are younger and bring more to the table talent wise. Really once Rusev started becoming more multi dimensional she kind of outlived her usefullness. She apparently put a lot of effort in but there's just some people who just aren't cut out for it. Then again I guess you can say the same for Eva Marie who is slightly older and basically is a lesser Lana skillset wise but they're giving it another try with her for whatever reason so who knows. Liv is definitely a headscratcher especially when you factor in she's also still only in her mid 20's. I mean she really ticks pretty much all of their boxes. Good looking, young, homegrown, and has also developed into a pretty good worker over the last few years. I mean I think any promoter would see potential there and try to do something with her but yet they don't. I guess maybe because her promos are a bit weak but I think with her being more of a young underdog babyface character I don't think she's someone that needs to be cutting long promos anyways. I guess maybe she has heat with someone in management? I know she kind of got pissy on Twitter about a year ago because they cut out her offense in a match against Natalya on a taped Raw making it look like she got squashed although they still put pics of it on the website with her sarcastically thanking them. Didn't seem like they held it against her that much though as she apologized and her and Ruby really didn't start to get buried until several months later. They were used "ok" their first few months after reuniting. However if she were to have heat I don't think she would've been able to survive these recent roster cuts. Although I guess it could just be a case of them not wanting her to go to AEW and become a star and she probably isn't on that high of a salary so it's not going to be that costly to keep her on the payroll. Oh, don't get me wrong, I don't think Lana was the total package or anything, either, but she still had most of the tools WWE wants. Honestly, I wouldn't even call her run bad, even, in spite of all of the weird or awful angles she tended to get dropped into. I'd put her that tier of like a Jillian Hall. People will definitely remember her, even if she never got any titles. Like, it's probably better than Liv's been given so far, that's for sure, and it sucks.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Jun 4, 2021 5:11:43 GMT -5
Lana also just wasn't very good in the ring. Best thing she had going for her was her look and there's just simply other look girls who are younger and bring more to the table talent wise. Really once Rusev started becoming more multi dimensional she kind of outlived her usefullness. She apparently put a lot of effort in but there's just some people who just aren't cut out for it. Then again I guess you can say the same for Eva Marie who is slightly older and basically is a lesser Lana skillset wise but they're giving it another try with her for whatever reason so who knows. Liv is definitely a headscratcher especially when you factor in she's also still only in her mid 20's. I mean she really ticks pretty much all of their boxes. Good looking, young, homegrown, and has also developed into a pretty good worker over the last few years. I mean I think any promoter would see potential there and try to do something with her but yet they don't. I guess maybe because her promos are a bit weak but I think with her being more of a young underdog babyface character I don't think she's someone that needs to be cutting long promos anyways. I guess maybe she has heat with someone in management? I know she kind of got pissy on Twitter about a year ago because they cut out her offense in a match against Natalya on a taped Raw making it look like she got squashed although they still put pics of it on the website with her sarcastically thanking them. Didn't seem like they held it against her that much though as she apologized and her and Ruby really didn't start to get buried until several months later. They were used "ok" their first few months after reuniting. However if she were to have heat I don't think she would've been able to survive these recent roster cuts. Although I guess it could just be a case of them not wanting her to go to AEW and become a star and she probably isn't on that high of a salary so it's not going to be that costly to keep her on the payroll. Oh, don't get me wrong, I don't think Lana was the total package or anything, either, but she still had most of the tools WWE wants. Honestly, I wouldn't even call her run bad, even, in spite of all of the weird or awful angles she tended to get dropped into. I'd put her that tier of like a Jillian Hall. People will definitely remember her, even if she never got any titles. Like, it's probably better than Liv's been given so far, that's for sure, and it sucks. Yeah as far as success and having memorable moments there haven't been many woman in recent years who have been given less. Probably just Sarah Logan and I guess Dana and that might not last as it looks like her and Mandy have a good chance at being tag champs just by process of elimination. All Liv has really got is her involvement in the Lashley-Lana wedding and a pre show Wrestlemania win. Otherwise it's been very slim pickings. Even Ruby I would say had a better run even though I guess Liv has her beat on longevity now as at least she got a couple of one on one PPV titles shots. It's hard to get optimistic because it really seems these days like once someone's been there for at least two years and hasn't done anything chances are they never will. Can't really think of anyone. It's like your either earmarked to be a top player and if your not you never will. There really doesn't seem to be much room for advancement no matter how much you improve or get over. If you look at all the top girls they all were pushed strong right from the start. Charlotte, Alexa, Asuka, Rhea, Bianca, Sasha. I guess Becky and Bayley had to eat crap a little at times and weren't pushed as strong as initially as those others but they were still always treated as big deals and were always figured in.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2021 20:32:00 GMT -5
After that match up w/ Carmella, Liv's now in a 9 fight losing streak. 10th must be the W, right?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2021 20:32:23 GMT -5
"I think it's so cute that you think you're the most beautiful woman in WWE. And some might agree. But me? I think you're seven at best. But that's okay because I know how to make you tap with my boot in your face! It's a perfect accessory. So when I'm done giving you the Liv Morgan makeover, nobody is gonna wanna watch you - because they all are gonna watch me!" 🖤
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Post by dex on Jun 4, 2021 20:38:12 GMT -5
"I think it's so cute that you think you're the most beautiful woman in WWE. And some might agree. But me? I think you're seven at best. But that's okay because I know how to make you tap with my boot in your face! It's a perfect accessory. So when I'm done giving you the Liv Morgan makeover, nobody is gonna wanna watch you - because they all are gonna watch me!" 🖤 Proceeds to tap out in a sub 3 minute match. Lol this company I truly don't understand them at all Liv does have all the tools.
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Post by john84 on Jun 4, 2021 21:48:34 GMT -5
Feel bad for Liv. There's no clear direction as far as I can tell for where they wanna go with her aside from jobbing out to the likes of Carmella.
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Post by BatPunk on Jun 4, 2021 23:26:57 GMT -5
If Liv is let go or leaves, she is going to be THE biggest star in her division ANYWHERE else.
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Post by I'm Team Bayley and Indi on Jun 5, 2021 1:11:43 GMT -5
"biggest moment of Liv Morgan's life was like half a second away then"
with her skill and look she deserves way better then the fact she might have beat Carmella with 4 years on the roster as a biggest moment
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Post by Mozenrath on Jun 5, 2021 1:18:28 GMT -5
"biggest moment of Liv Morgan's life was like half a second away then" with her skill and look she deserves way better then the fact she might have beat Carmella with 4 years on the roster as a biggest moment Yeah, I get that Carmella is a former champion and a bit higher on the totem pole than Liv, but it still is ridiculous.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2021 1:35:35 GMT -5
Looks like they're setting up Carmella for a future championship opportunity™. Maybe a triple threat with her, Bianca, and Bayley at the July PPV?
I like her and all, but Liv vs. Bianca would be a much more interesting match.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 5, 2021 1:38:27 GMT -5
I guess WWE saw the Liv Morgan Documentary which was just a whole year catalogue of her being sad and disappointed and said "Let's shoot for a sequel!"
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Jun 5, 2021 2:38:25 GMT -5
"biggest moment of Liv Morgan's life was like half a second away then" with her skill and look she deserves way better then the fact she might have beat Carmella with 4 years on the roster as a biggest moment Yeah, I get that Carmella is a former champion and a bit higher on the totem pole than Liv, but it still is ridiculous. That a big problem with their booking in general. Instead of booking what's better for the future and creating better stories, they just have whoever's higher on the totem pole and has had more invested into them in the past determine who goes over. Like Carmella will beat the likes of Liv and Ruby every time but then will always lose to Sasha and Bianca. It's just a really dumb and counter productive way to book. Carmella has already jobbed countless times to Bianca and Sasha recently so she has no claim to a title shot and to be honest really shouldn't be anything more then strict midcard at this point so what was the point of even giving her the win tonight? At least if you have Liv gets a upset win it gives her momentum as a singles and also could be used to set up a program with her and Carmella to give them both something to do. Instead though they have Carmella go over in under 3 minutes and as a result it's just completely pointless. Carmella is still a directionless heel who isn't going anywhere because she can't hang with the big dogs and Liv is still a loser who seemingly now can't win a match if her life depended on it. However they're stupid so it's no surprise.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2021 8:23:55 GMT -5
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Post by Kalmia on Jun 5, 2021 8:44:27 GMT -5
She's decent in the ring, charismatic, and is easy to like. She's also managed to create a connection with the crowd. I'd like to see her given more time and chances.
But, having read through this thread, some of you guys need a bonk on the head with the horny stick.
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Post by The Rick Jericho on Jun 5, 2021 19:32:46 GMT -5
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on Jun 5, 2021 21:01:57 GMT -5
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