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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Jun 2, 2021 12:48:37 GMT -5
He's still a big name talent, multiple time champion and can do what he's asked to do as a power hoss well enough. They'd be silly not to give him a look from a business POV if they think there is money there. A Ryder style 'come and see if the numbers move' deal would seem sensible to me. Also he'd be very unique within AEW. Like just picture him vs. Jungle Boy visually, it'd be a wildly different dynamic than anything the company could really do now without having Paul Wight step from behind the desk. Strowman's the same height as Archer and like 2 times less athletic. I don't think Strowman works in terms of the current AEW style. For WWE to cut the guy makes me think he wasn't moving merch or doing much to merit what he was being paid.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jun 2, 2021 12:49:42 GMT -5
Not saying it is, just saying that trying to suggest NXT UK shutting down is a good thing, because someone doesnt like WWE, is not a good thing for the talent signed to NXT UK It's not about not liking WWE, it's making it harder for people, both promoters and wrestlers, to make money on the UK scene without getting into bed with them, and then going "It's for your own good." It's so disingenuous to use Speaking Out to frame NXT as some sort of benevolent act because it isn't, it's there for WWE to salt the earth and make sure the UK indys can't gain momentum again. This is exactly how it happened:
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Jun 2, 2021 12:50:07 GMT -5
AEW is overcrowded as well & should probably get rid of some wrestlers themselves Except they have a new show coming up and several specials on TNT next year and could easily accommodate more people. Especially with trios titles coming up soon. They have plenty of room for more.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2021 12:50:20 GMT -5
AEW is overcrowded as well & should probably get rid of some wrestlers themselves Keep in mind they have a new show debuting in a couple of months and are wanting to introduce Trios titles soon. They absolutely have the capacity to expand and are going to need to do so.
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Post by Wieners=$$$ on Jun 2, 2021 12:50:28 GMT -5
I'm sure Braun has some irons in the fire
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2021 12:51:51 GMT -5
I hope AEW doesn't bring Braun in. Like, I won't stop watching or anything if they do, but I'll just have to avoid online wrestling forums for a while because he's of a caliber that you'd almost have no choice but to lolTNA him to the top of the card, but he's actually not even really that good. AEW doesn't have the big guy problem it once did with the arrival of Wardlow, Bear Country, Comoroto and guys like Luchasaurus, all of whom I enjoy watching a hell of a lot more than I've ever enjoyed watching Braun. Braun is hella-good in his role as a hoss and can be an instant main eventer. He’s also much bigger than the AEW hosses in terms of size and power. He should be number 1 on AEW’s list to sign (second only to Bryan if he’s still available). Yeah, I don't disagree. Braun is a legitimate superstar...I just think it's instant main eventer or bust for him in AEW, and that's going to be a divisive thing. So I, personally, would prioritize Aleister Black were I AEW. But, I certainly will not be shocked if we have, like, an Adam Scherr/Kenny Omega main event at an AEW PPV in the very near future.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jun 2, 2021 12:52:33 GMT -5
Also he'd be very unique within AEW. Like just picture him vs. Jungle Boy visually, it'd be a wildly different dynamic than anything the company could really do now without having Paul Wight step from behind the desk. Strowman's the same height as Archer and like 2 times less athletic. I don't think Strowman works in terms of the current AEW style. For WWE to cut the guy makes me think he wasn't moving merch or doing much to merit what he was being paid. Man, hard disagree on the notion that Archer > Braun. Braun is much bigger in terms of body weight than Archer and can play his role in the match and as a monster extremely well. Archer is solid to have in the mid card but Braun can be an instant credible main eventer. Braun is also 7 years younger.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Jun 2, 2021 12:53:58 GMT -5
I’m really surprised they got rid of Black. Not only will he be a big star, I think they had WAAAAYYYYYY more than enough time to make that happen and just chose not to. Black certainly has star potential but whether it was ever going to happen under WWE is pretty debatable.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Jun 2, 2021 12:55:02 GMT -5
Strowman's the same height as Archer and like 2 times less athletic. I don't think Strowman works in terms of the current AEW style. For WWE to cut the guy makes me think he wasn't moving merch or doing much to merit what he was being paid. Man, hard disagree on the notion that Archer > Braun. Braun is much bigger in terms of body weight than Archer and can play his role in the match and as a monster extremely well. Archer is solid to have in the mid card but Braun can be an instant credible main eventer. Braun is also 7 years younger. Agree to disagree. My perspective is that there's no world in which Braun is an instant main eventer in AEW. No way. Dude can barely move and their audience would reject the dude big time. Braun coming in and getting main events over Orange, Darby, Hangman, etc.? Everyone would lose their minds. Braun's knees are shot to shit, too.
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Post by Mecca on Jun 2, 2021 12:55:42 GMT -5
If they are really streamlining whats to stop them for cutting down to 20-30 guys per show? No one is a draw, you could remove the top 5 acts from every show and they'd have the same audience. The 2.5 million left watching are the ones that aren't going away, the lifers. They've pushed brand over talent for so long and homogonized everything to the point that no wrestler matters to the machine.
By firing lots of people, going back on the road etc they could show a huge spike in profit making the company value even higher.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jun 2, 2021 12:56:28 GMT -5
Man, hard disagree on the notion that Archer > Braun. Braun is much bigger in terms of body weight than Archer and can play his role in the match and as a monster extremely well. Archer is solid to have in the mid card but Braun can be an instant credible main eventer. Braun is also 7 years younger. Agree to disagree. My perspective is that there's no world in which Braun is an instant main eventer in AEW. No way. Dude can barely move and their audience would reject the dude big time. Braun coming in and getting main events over Orange, Darby, Hangman, etc.? Everyone would lose their minds. Braun's knees are shot to shit, too. I don’t see Braun as particularly limited in the ring at all. He can move just fine and is very athletic. You’re making it sound like he’s Khali or Omos out there. He’s essentially modern day prime Big Show.
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Post by mattperiolat on Jun 2, 2021 12:58:34 GMT -5
^^^ I’m pretty sure Nak’s safe, but with you on the other ones. I want to hope Liv is, but I am worried for her. (Even if she’ll kill it elsewhere) After Black and Stowman, I dunno if ANYONE is safe unless they are a current champion. I can’t escape the feeling that Nak is like Black, Vince has lost interest in a true talent and the clock is ticking.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jun 2, 2021 12:58:42 GMT -5
It's not about not liking WWE, it's making it harder for people, both promoters and wrestlers, to make money on the UK scene without getting into bed with them, and then going "It's for your own good." It's so disingenuous to use Speaking Out to frame NXT as some sort of benevolent act because it isn't, it's there for WWE to salt the earth and make sure the UK indys can't gain momentum again. But does it matter? If the booker is WWE or some indie guy, as long as you have somewhere to work and, for the talent, at least a level of security and guaranteed money if you're a big enough name? I dont think most talent give a shit who they work for as long as they can get paid and potentially get to the US and the 'big leagues.' I doubt anyone wants to be a UK and only UK talent - and if they do, they could be that in NXT UK just as well as they could be 15 different tiny leagues with 0 exposure outside of the 200 people who could get a ticket to see you for the tiny show you're doing with an ancient WWF talent headlining. World of Sport was dead long before NXT UK arrived, despite fanfare, no one watched and no second series was being made. To suggest that closing something down that provides that exposure and that money is a good thing, to me, is wrong. Because one is monopolistic control from an outside force that actively wants to limit growth and the other is a varied market thriving and developing its own identity? The UK scene was starting to make major international waves and with the accessibility of online PPVs and streaming services, promotions were suddenly picking up a lot of attention from abroad. A good number of people were starting to make good money, and there was a thriving group of people who maybe weren't getting a living from it, but were doing wrestling and contributing to a growing ecosystem. WWE stepping in hurt that, started dictating things and naming its stars while also stunting their ability to grow because they were being put into a box to stay warm forever. People probably don't want to be UK-only talents and never see anything bigger, but NXT UK dangled the promise of maybe one day signing them to a real contract--because what they're on now isn't that--with WWE so they wouldn't expand out and have runs with Japan on the American indies. It sequestered them specifically into being staff at WWE's UK franchise where most of them will never escape so that they couldn't become bigger stars. Their arrival hurt promotions, yanked people who drew money out of places sometimes mid-storyline, began dictating who the biggest names in the scene could work for, and then yanked promoters around by pulling people from bookings because NXT UK was taping that day and they only decided they needed people maybe a few days out from go time. They did enough harm to the entire scene that I don't think a hardline "but jobs good" stance really works here; this situation is complicated and there are already people making less money because of WWE's intervention.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Jun 2, 2021 12:58:50 GMT -5
Agree to disagree. My perspective is that there's no world in which Braun is an instant main eventer in AEW. No way. Dude can barely move and their audience would reject the dude big time. Braun coming in and getting main events over Orange, Darby, Hangman, etc.? Everyone would lose their minds. Braun's knees are shot to shit, too. I don’t see Braun as particularly limited in the ring at all. He can move just fine and is very athletic. You’re making it sound like he’s Khali or Omos out there. He’s essentially modern day prime Big Show. Yeah, I just don't see it, but if they bring him in and he delivers, fair play. I just think it'd be a strategic error on AEW's part if even for the perception of gobbling up WWE stars. If they're going to do it, they should let him run on the indies for a few months, build buzz and then sign him.
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Post by MrElijah on Jun 2, 2021 12:59:08 GMT -5
He's still a big name talent, multiple time champion and can do what he's asked to do as a power hoss well enough. They'd be silly not to give him a look from a business POV if they think there is money there. A Ryder style 'come and see if the numbers move' deal would seem sensible to me. Also he'd be very unique within AEW. Like just picture him vs. Jungle Boy visually, it'd be a wildly different dynamic than anything the company could really do now without having Paul Wight step from behind the desk. I wouldn't mind seeing Braun toss Marko into the Gulf of Mexico.
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Post by spagett on Jun 2, 2021 12:59:57 GMT -5
I don’t see Braun as particularly limited in the ring at all. He can move just fine and is very athletic. You’re making it sound like he’s Khali or Omos out there. He’s essentially modern day prime Big Show. Yeah, I just don't see it, but if they bring him in and he delivers, fair play. I just think it'd be a strategic error on AEW's part if even for the perception of gobbling up WWE stars. If they're going to do it, they should let him run on the indies for a few months, build buzz and then sign him. Independent wrestler Braun Strowman would be hilarious after what he said last year.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Jun 2, 2021 13:00:18 GMT -5
I defy anyone out there to tell me Vince still has any clue what he’s doing at this point.
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Post by Mecca on Jun 2, 2021 13:00:40 GMT -5
I don’t see Braun as particularly limited in the ring at all. He can move just fine and is very athletic. You’re making it sound like he’s Khali or Omos out there. He’s essentially modern day prime Big Show. Yeah, I just don't see it, but if they bring him in and he delivers, fair play. I just think it'd be a strategic error on AEW's part if even for the perception of gobbling up WWE stars. If they're going to do it, they should let him run on the indies for a few months, build buzz and then sign him. Guys Stromans size are few and far between, that alone could be a reason, also Mark Henry is there now and he digs Stroman.
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Post by Mecca on Jun 2, 2021 13:01:26 GMT -5
I defy anyone out there to tell me Vince still has any clue what he’s doing at this point. I think Vince has about 1% to do with this, he hired a businessman to streamline his company to turn better profits, whether that is to sell or just to increase the bottom line remains to be seen.
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Post by chazraps on Jun 2, 2021 13:02:23 GMT -5
I see Strowman going to ROH if anywhere. We saw glimpses of his chain-wrestling in his Big Show match, and his connections to the NRA might look good to Sinclair.
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