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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jun 2, 2021 13:10:54 GMT -5
Who has final say? Don’t insult my intelligence. When you tell a dude you hired to a major position to make moves because you want to sell your company, are you going to undercut him? Yea Vince has final say but I don't think Vince gives 2 shits about anyone but Vince, everyone is just a cog in the machine. When he says you should fire, sight unseen, talents you have developed and prominently pushed, yeah, that's a move you can do something about. Maybe Vince doesn't care, but Vince not caring about the people in his show when he's in television production is definitely a sign of him being absolutely terrible at what he does.
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Post by Sir Woodrow on Jun 2, 2021 13:11:06 GMT -5
Bring in Braun as John Silver's gigantic older brother. Silver gets hit by gamma rays, turns into Braun
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Jun 2, 2021 13:11:43 GMT -5
My phones about to die so I can’t watch for much longer, but Black’s chatting on Zelina’s Twitch and of course is going the hyper-classy route. Such a well spoken guy. I just don't get why he's gone. Man.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Jun 2, 2021 13:11:48 GMT -5
Bring in Braun as John Silver's gigantic older brother. Silver gets hit by gamma rays, turns into Braun You wouldn't like me when I'm hungee
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Post by spagett on Jun 2, 2021 13:12:11 GMT -5
My phones about to die so I can’t watch for much longer, but Black’s chatting on Zelina’s Twitch and of course is going the hyper-classy route. He's always come across a super chill guy, no surprise he's taken this news in his stride.
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Post by hashtagdaley/JudasDay on Jun 2, 2021 13:12:14 GMT -5
My phones about to die so I can’t watch for much longer, but Black’s chatting on Zelina’s Twitch and of course is going the hyper-classy route. Such a well spoken guy. I just don't get why he's gone. Man. I was never *AS* high on him on some, but to squander him to this level is just absurd.
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Post by Spiderf 4 on Jun 2, 2021 13:12:38 GMT -5
Remember after Brodie Lee passed, and Braun took a fan's tribute painting of Bray, Strowman, Rowan and Cody waving to Brodie in Heaven, and then proceeded to not just remove Cody from the pic but remove the fan's signature from the painting? Not cropped, but outright blurred over? And then didn't credit the artist in any way? Was that kind of a glimpse into Braun? Man, Daniel Clowes just can't get no respect!
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jun 2, 2021 13:12:41 GMT -5
But does it matter? If the booker is WWE or some indie guy, as long as you have somewhere to work and, for the talent, at least a level of security and guaranteed money if you're a big enough name? I dont think most talent give a shit who they work for as long as they can get paid and potentially get to the US and the 'big leagues.' I doubt anyone wants to be a UK and only UK talent - and if they do, they could be that in NXT UK just as well as they could be 15 different tiny leagues with 0 exposure outside of the 200 people who could get a ticket to see you for the tiny show you're doing with an ancient WWF talent headlining. World of Sport was dead long before NXT UK arrived, despite fanfare, no one watched and no second series was being made. To suggest that closing something down that provides that exposure and that money is a good thing, to me, is wrong. It matters when, like I said a few posts back, WWE has decided that you're surplus to requirements and you now can't go back to work where you used to because a lot of those places are now under the WWE umbrella, or don't exist anymore.
The thing is, they were getting pretty decent exposure, ICW and Progress had both pulled bigger houses than WWE at various points and had become super indys, they weren't exactly nobodies, people were excited about Britwres for the first time in years and years until WWE came on the scene. It wasn't working holiday camp shows in front of a hundred children, it was regular sellouts and people actually caring about the shows, and now that's been ruined.
And regardless of whether they aspire to work in WWE or not, a thriving independent scene gave them option of earning a living without WWE, because not all of them will have wanted to move to the other side of the world to work for WWE, just like not every actor wants to act in Hollywood blockbusters and not every musician wants to sign to a major label. The problem is that WWE pretty much destroyed that, and World of Sport was hamstrung in no small part by WWE signing three quarters of the name talent on the indy scene. So by basically destroying all of that WWE has backed British wrestlers into a corner, sign with us or starve, and even if you don't sign with them your career is dictated by them because they still decide who you can and can't work with, hence ZSJ and Chris Brookes and blokes like that throwing their lot in with NJPW and DDT. The only people who benefit from NXT UK long-term is the small handful of wrestlers who will carve out long-term WWE careers, and McMahon and Triple H, for everyone else it's a net loss long term.
Also let's be real; developmental contracts aren't a lot. A lot of guys with even some indie clout have talked about the money being worse than just hustling indies, but they sign on because if you can get to the main roster, you make a lot more. I don't see NXT UK contracts being massive either, this isn't huge money the chosen few are getting.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Jun 2, 2021 13:13:10 GMT -5
My phones about to die so I can’t watch for much longer, but Black’s chatting on Zelina’s Twitch and of course is going the hyper-classy route. He's always come across a super chill guy, no surprise he's taken this news in his stride. Part of me hopes he comes into AEW as the badass ninja terminator he was in NXT Part of me hopes he comes in as a soft spoken tattooed cat enthusiast who can also kick your face off
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jun 2, 2021 13:13:13 GMT -5
Such a well spoken guy. I just don't get why he's gone. Man. I was never *AS* high on him on some, but to squander him to this level is just absurd. I just never got why he wasn’t sent back to NXT. They clearly needed some new blood down there and who better than someone known to that audience? It’s a weird thing to not do.
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Post by MrElijah on Jun 2, 2021 13:13:18 GMT -5
The thing is, I think Braun would have been an absolute must-sign for AEW in its early days when LOL ALL PETITE WRESTLING was the primary criticism. But since then, guys like Wardlow, Bear Country, Archer, Vance, Miro, Brian Cage, Nick Comoroto, Hobbs, and even The Butcher have come in so there's not the hoss problem there once was. Sure, I will grant that Braun is an objectively good hoss and has a ton of star quality, I just don't think he's as needed on the AEW roster as he once was, and I think that he's at a level that, if they bring him in, they'll have no choice but to give him the traditional "lolTNA" push. Just not sure it's worth the headache. At least not immediately. He’s vastly bigger than all of them so he’d give the matches he can have a new dynamic that the others cannot. Braun - 6’8 344 Wardlow- 6’2 267 Archer- 6’8 265 Vance- 6’2 240 Miro- 6’0 304 Cage- 6’0 272 Hobbs- 6’1 270 Miro is only 6 Feet? He looks around 6'3 on TV.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jun 2, 2021 13:13:19 GMT -5
I just remember all that stuff about Braun saying Vince told him he was his guy and all this other shit and now he’s gone.
Once again, the game (not HHH) is undefeated.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Jun 2, 2021 13:13:19 GMT -5
Releasing Aleister after just bringing him back onto TV is definitely weird timing but I dunno, I always kinda felt he and Lana were just a case of, “not a matter of ‘if’, but ‘when’” given how WWE jettisoned their respective spouses.
Braun is absolutely a huge surprise given how he seemed like a Vince McMahon personal project and was everything Vince typically looks for in a wrestler, and actually was over unlike many of the guys who fit the exact mold of what he was looking for, so something is at play there, either his contract was just too big and they are really shaving excess financial fat, or he done messed up behind the scenes something fierce, only time will tell(seriously this industry is horrible at keeping secrets, the reasoning behind his release will eventually come out). Still can’t help the schadenfreude of the that of him possibly having to rough it in the indies following his comments last year that caused me and many others to instantly sour on the guy.
Getting rid of Ruby really sucks for the depth of WWE’s women’s roster but will be an instant boon for literally any other promotion’s once her 90 days are up.
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Post by Talent Name on Jun 2, 2021 13:13:34 GMT -5
I would love for Black to lead Decay
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2021 13:13:51 GMT -5
Twitch.tv/theatrinidad Tommy End's going live in a second. Watching this right now.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Jun 2, 2021 13:14:10 GMT -5
Such a well spoken guy. I just don't get why he's gone. Man. I was never *AS* high on him on some, but to squander him to this level is just absurd. Yeah. The feud with AJ and the Club oddly enough felt like the end for him. I remember people (myself included) hoping that they'd pair Taker and Aleister together to fight The Club in a 2 on 3.
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Post by hashtagdaley/JudasDay on Jun 2, 2021 13:15:09 GMT -5
He's always come across a super chill guy, no surprise he's taken this news in his stride. Part of me hopes he comes into AEW as the badass ninja terminator he was in NXT Part of me hopes he comes in as a soft spoken tattooed cat enthusiast who can also kick your face off I hope he has an eye patch, annoying besties, a creaky coffin, and a smog room.
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Post by An Dog On An Skateboard on Jun 2, 2021 13:15:20 GMT -5
Also let's be real; developmental contracts aren't a lot. A lot of guys with even some indie clout have talked about the money being worse than just hustling indies, but they sign on because if you can get to the main roster, you make a lot more. I don't see NXT UK contracts being massive either, this isn't huge money the chosen few are getting. I think they were reported to mostly earn about £30,000 a year, which isn't a massive wage if you've got tax and national insurance and things coming out of that, and then all your expenses.
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Post by Famous Rocking Chimes on Jun 2, 2021 13:15:28 GMT -5
Tommy End saying he was released as part of “budget cuts”.
That budget’s been trimmed an awful lot the last few months.
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Post by ayumidah on Jun 2, 2021 13:15:29 GMT -5
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