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Post by darbus alan on Nov 19, 2021 0:46:12 GMT -5
You just reminded me that "Stan" was Shawn Spears.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Nov 19, 2021 0:47:42 GMT -5
Name recognition and nostalgia. Lots of people just know the WWE, and if they stop watching, they're not seeking out some alternative; they just won't watch any wrestling. I also feel like there's kind of an association with AEW that it's For The Hardcore Wrestling Nerds and it feels unwelcoming. Like you show up at a show and everyone in the crowd immediately challenges you to name ten NWA champions. Fair or not, I think it keeps younger fans away. The AEW show I went to didn't feel like that at all... Carp's point (as I understand it) is about perception from the outside, which can be totally unfair but is often more influential on people's purchasing decisions than the reality.
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Post by defectiveepitaph on Nov 19, 2021 0:48:38 GMT -5
Did Jinder and Shanky kayfabe ether Hit Row out of the company? I mean, Jay-Z still had a mainstream career after "Ether." Jinder and Shanky kayfabe-wise G-United Hit Row's Murder Inc. They got Wanksta’d
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Nov 19, 2021 0:50:02 GMT -5
I also feel like there's kind of an association with AEW that it's For The Hardcore Wrestling Nerds and it feels unwelcoming. Like you show up at a show and everyone in the crowd immediately challenges you to name ten NWA champions. Fair or not, I think it keeps younger fans away. I will say that, until maybe a month or two ago, something along these lines was my main mental block for trying to make an honest go at getting into AEW. It wasn't a gatekeeping thing, per se, it was more like a "hype backlash" thing to me. Like, I felt like I was having it shoved down my throat that AEW was the best thing ever and was going to save professional wrestling, when really all I wanted to do was to make that kind of judgment at my own pace and on my own time. Even now, having watched maybe about five or six Dynamites in a row, most of the time I've been like "...Yeah, that was all right" and not exactly bouncing off the walls about it.
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Post by Perd on Nov 19, 2021 1:02:59 GMT -5
Turns out Survivor Series has really been going on for almost two years.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2021 1:12:16 GMT -5
I also feel like there's kind of an association with AEW that it's For The Hardcore Wrestling Nerds and it feels unwelcoming. Like you show up at a show and everyone in the crowd immediately challenges you to name ten NWA champions. Fair or not, I think it keeps younger fans away. I will say that, until maybe a month or two ago, something along these lines was my main mental block for trying to make an honest go at getting into AEW. It wasn't a gatekeeping thing, per se, it was more like a "hype backlash" thing to me. Like, I felt like I was having it shoved down my throat that AEW was the best thing ever and was going to save professional wrestling, when really all I wanted to do was to make that kind of judgment at my own pace and on my own time. Even now, having watched maybe about five or six Dynamites in a row, most of the time I've been like "...Yeah, that was all right" and not exactly bouncing off the walls about it. 100000000000% how I feel which is why I don't go into the Dynamite rating threads. No need for my opinion there when I just don't agree during any Dynamite episode.
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Post by Mecca on Nov 19, 2021 1:14:29 GMT -5
I also feel like there's kind of an association with AEW that it's For The Hardcore Wrestling Nerds and it feels unwelcoming. Like you show up at a show and everyone in the crowd immediately challenges you to name ten NWA champions. Fair or not, I think it keeps younger fans away. I will say that, until maybe a month or two ago, something along these lines was my main mental block for trying to make an honest go at getting into AEW. It wasn't a gatekeeping thing, per se, it was more like a "hype backlash" thing to me. Like, I felt like I was having it shoved down my throat that AEW was the best thing ever and was going to save professional wrestling, when really all I wanted to do was to make that kind of judgment at my own pace and on my own time. Even now, having watched maybe about five or six Dynamites in a row, most of the time I've been like "...Yeah, that was all right" and not exactly bouncing off the walls about it. I'll be honest for the last 4-6 years I'd really fallen out of being a wrestling fan. I kinda wondered if I just didn't like it anymore. WWE bored me, I'd watch AEW sometimes... CM Punk coming back hooked me, I started watching when I heard it was happening. That along with Bryan and Adam Cole who's always been one of my favorites reeled me right in. I actually feel excited and into AEW, WWE still feels like a slog to get through.
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Nov 19, 2021 1:18:30 GMT -5
They fired Drake AGAIN. F*** them with the biggest, spiniest cactus ever. The kinda worst part was he was well prepared for this. Like an hour after he was released he posted a fully edited video of basically Rockstar Spud yelling at Drake Maverick to man up and remember his dream wasn't to be a WWE Superstar but a Professional Wrestler. I wonder how long he had that saved on his computer waiting for the shoe to drop. Part of me thinks he filmed that not very long after the original video...
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Nov 19, 2021 1:25:02 GMT -5
At this point I'm convinced the only reason Samoa Joe hasn't been fired again is because HHH put some sort of sacred blood seal on his contract or something.
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Post by Clutchhausen on Nov 19, 2021 1:26:22 GMT -5
You just reminded me that "Stan" was Shawn Spears. He was?!
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Nov 19, 2021 1:27:41 GMT -5
At this point I'm convinced the only reason Samoa Joe hasn't been fired again is because HHH put some sort of sacred blood seal on his contract or something. Joe's a smart dude, wouldn't be surprised if he had something like a no cut clause or something that makes them have to pay more to cut him written into his new contract. You just reminded me that "Stan" was Shawn Spears. He was?! Yep.
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Post by Big DSR Energy on Nov 19, 2021 1:29:53 GMT -5
Also Swerve continues the absolute cursed North American Title lineage Like throw that damn thing into a furnace already. Can't afford a furnace due to budget cuts. Is that why the booking is so HEAT-focused?
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Post by Mecca on Nov 19, 2021 1:37:07 GMT -5
It literally feels like they're going through a list of all the guys Triple H had pegged as the next generation of stars and just axing them.
It's like they're sending a message to guys such as Gargano, Strong, O'Reilly etc.. "The main roster is for big muscled up home grown talent like Von Wagner and Bronn Breaker, NXT is the only place we'll employ you vanilla Indy midgets so you better get use to jobbing to our green horns or you can get out."
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Post by Big DSR Energy on Nov 19, 2021 1:43:22 GMT -5
Oh wow, a Four Rooms reference! That's a deep cut!
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Nov 19, 2021 1:49:18 GMT -5
But yeah, EoE is right, we’ll lock this for now and if (more like when) this is needed again, we’ll bump it up. The Mods four days later:
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Post by Mecca on Nov 19, 2021 1:53:56 GMT -5
Here's what I think, they pretty obviously hoarded talent to prevent competition. Competition happened anyway so they no longer care about talent hoarding.
Triple H was basically given an unlimited budget to build his promotion with his future stars of WWE. Those guys got kneecapped in the main roster and then his promotion lost to the competition. That was enough to literally have Vince see him as useless and not worthy of any power let alone taking over the company one day.
Now we're at the point of them telling us that everyone is expendable. They're going to fast track people from PC-NXT-MAIN, to have younger cheaper talent.
They're also arrogant enough that they'd tell you they could book Bronn Breaker vs Xyon Quinn as the WM mainevent and they'd still sell 100k seats and make huge money because it says WWE on the bill.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Nov 19, 2021 1:57:44 GMT -5
I also feel like there's kind of an association with AEW that it's For The Hardcore Wrestling Nerds and it feels unwelcoming. Like you show up at a show and everyone in the crowd immediately challenges you to name ten NWA champions. Fair or not, I think it keeps younger fans away. I will say that, until maybe a month or two ago, something along these lines was my main mental block for trying to make an honest go at getting into AEW. It wasn't a gatekeeping thing, per se, it was more like a "hype backlash" thing to me. Like, I felt like I was having it shoved down my throat that AEW was the best thing ever and was going to save professional wrestling, when really all I wanted to do was to make that kind of judgment at my own pace and on my own time. Even now, having watched maybe about five or six Dynamites in a row, most of the time I've been like "...Yeah, that was all right" and not exactly bouncing off the walls about it. I feel like AEW has a lot of problems in its own right - some of the big ones coming to mind for me are the continued shittiness of the women's division, how often they're dead set on a plan and the rest of the show for months on end is a slow limp getting there even though everyone knows where it's going and the buildup's basically already been done, the ranking system being completely stupid and arbitrary, a gigantic chunk of the roster just being complete nonentities to me, and how feuds never seem to actually end - and I can't really claim to care enough about it to watch more than Dynamite and PPVs, but I do feel like by every possible metric they're putting out a vastly superior product to WWE. If nothing else if a match is being hyped as a big deal in AEW then it probably on some level at least feels like it, there are actual storylines and characters, and they actually have continuity instead of every show existing in its own pocket universe that's kiiiinda like the previous weeks but not one-to-one by any stretch. Really in general I feel like it's a company that routinely puts on weekly shows that are 7s that are often called 10s because it's not like anyone else around is putting on anything close to 7s.
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Post by ayumidah on Nov 19, 2021 2:18:45 GMT -5
The thing that gets me about this is WWE's just completely given up on posting about it on the website or tweeting about it. Now if you want to know when people are released, you can generally only learn about it from the people themselves or SRS tweeting about it, or other wrestling news sites like that. So someone clearly was like "do not tweet or write about this on the website, because we're gonna fire like 20 people a month for awhile and it'll make us look bad!"
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Post by 4real on Nov 19, 2021 2:49:17 GMT -5
Never been more bummed out by WWE than I am right now. Just what do you even say at this point. Talented performers again released and wasted.
Seriously considering not watching Survivor Series this year. Awful build and I doubt any of it will matter in a week.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2021 2:50:52 GMT -5
I will say that, until maybe a month or two ago, something along these lines was my main mental block for trying to make an honest go at getting into AEW. It wasn't a gatekeeping thing, per se, it was more like a "hype backlash" thing to me. Like, I felt like I was having it shoved down my throat that AEW was the best thing ever and was going to save professional wrestling, when really all I wanted to do was to make that kind of judgment at my own pace and on my own time. Even now, having watched maybe about five or six Dynamites in a row, most of the time I've been like "...Yeah, that was all right" and not exactly bouncing off the walls about it. I feel like AEW has a lot of problems in its own right - some of the big ones coming to mind for me are the continued shittiness of the women's division, how often they're dead set on a plan and the rest of the show for months on end is a slow limp getting there even though everyone knows where it's going and the buildup's basically already been done, the ranking system being completely stupid and arbitrary, a gigantic chunk of the roster just being complete nonentities to me, and how feuds never seem to actually end - and I can't really claim to care enough about it to watch more than Dynamite and PPVs, but I do feel like by every possible metric they're putting out a vastly superior product to WWE. If nothing else if a match is being hyped as a big deal in AEW then it probably on some level at least feels like it, there are actual storylines and characters, and they actually have continuity instead of every show existing in its own pocket universe that's kiiiinda like the previous weeks but not one-to-one by any stretch. Really in general I feel like it's a company that routinely puts on weekly shows that are 7s that are often called 10s because it's not like anyone else around is putting on anything close to 7s. You know when you’re watching the Super Bowl or World Series, you really don’t care about the teams, but it’s a good game and you enjoy the commercials, halftime show and the food. That’s kinda how I feel about AEW, like I don’t have a dog in that fight. There’s a lot of talent I enjoy in AEW and things I like about the company, but last ppv was pretty much one of their biggest moments as a company and I could care less. There’s just something about the product that’s completely off putting.
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