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Post by Woo on Nov 19, 2021 6:15:35 GMT -5
Honestly this company could bring Randy Savage and Eddie Guerrero back from the dead and I still wouldn't watch at this point, the WWE brand has been so poisoned to me at this point that I just don't care anymore. It feels like Heroes for me when people said season 4 was better than the previous two and I didn't care because Heroes had just become toxic to me.
It's kind of like Impact it may be better now but it's still got that TNA stench to it.
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Post by clifford on Nov 19, 2021 7:05:39 GMT -5
I have no idea who WWE are going to turn to in a few years time to be their new main players. Big E seems like the only dude presently that is going to make that step up to 'one of the faces of the company'-type level. Bianca too for the womens division.
NXT 2.0 is going to have so many wash outs; they're basically throwing all their shit at the wall and praying two or three stick and make it big like Cena/Orton/Batista in 2002-2005 or the Shield in 2012-2014. Cause those two big hits for them have carried them through the last 15 years.
EDIT: I forgot to say the Horsewomen too; their other big hit in terms of discovering and raising new talent to massive superstars.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Nov 19, 2021 7:10:55 GMT -5
I have no idea who WWE are going to turn to in a few years time to be their new main players. Big E seems like the only dude presently that is going to make that step up to 'one of the faces of the company'-type level. Bianca too for the womens division. NXT 2.0 is going to have so many wash outs; they're basically throwing all their shit at the wall and praying two or three stick and make it big like Cena/Orton/Batista in 2002-2005 or the Shield in 2012-2014. Cause those two big hits for them have carried them through the last 15 years. I mean, even the first three you mentioned took time to get to their stride, Cena and Orton were generic dudes with trunks and Batista was "Big heel bodyguard with a weapon" in 2002-3. In modern WWE, Cena wouldn't have been a rapper, Orton wouldn't have reached his RNN period and Batista would have never gone past "Deacon".
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Nov 19, 2021 7:11:47 GMT -5
In trying to kill the indies, WWE has senselessly killed the careers of a lot of indie workers. There’s going to be an influx of guys and girls, not everyone will get booked in the major indies and I’m not sure how many folks will actually thrive.
I always thought I’d be a WWE fan for life but I’ve removed RAW and SD from my viewing habits and I’m not missing it much.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Nov 19, 2021 7:13:01 GMT -5
I have no idea who WWE are going to turn to in a few years time to be their new main players. Big E seems like the only dude presently that is going to make that step up to 'one of the faces of the company'-type level. Bianca too for the womens division. NXT 2.0 is going to have so many wash outs; they're basically throwing all their shit at the wall and praying two or three stick and make it big like Cena/Orton/Batista in 2002-2005 or the Shield in 2012-2014. Cause those two big hits for them have carried them through the last 15 years. I mean, even the first three you mentioned took time to get to their stride, Cena and Orton were generic dudes with trunks and Batista was "Big heel bodyguard with a weapon" in 2002-3. In modern WWE, Cena wouldn't have been a rapper, Orton wouldn't have reached his RNN period and Batista would have never gone past "Deacon". And all signs point to them being really close to cutting Cena before he got the rap gimmick. They’ve never had a ton of patience with folks.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Nov 19, 2021 7:15:20 GMT -5
I mean, even the first three you mentioned took time to get to their stride, Cena and Orton were generic dudes with trunks and Batista was "Big heel bodyguard with a weapon" in 2002-3. In modern WWE, Cena wouldn't have been a rapper, Orton wouldn't have reached his RNN period and Batista would have never gone past "Deacon". And all signs point to them being really close to cutting Cena before he got the rap gimmick. They’ve never had a ton of patience with folks. And they didn't even really try with Cena. Orton at least had the "third generation" thing that could have been fleshed out, Cena had the Jericho win (which was more what Jericho wanted rather than what the company wanted), the "blink-and-you'll-miss-it" team with Kidman and a brief heel feud with Kidman afterwards? For a guy they thought to be the future, he wasn't really treated like it before he fluked the whole rap thing.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Nov 19, 2021 7:22:15 GMT -5
It's really sad. We all knew this was coming for a long time with WWE just hiring everybody under the sun for awhile but the timing and the process WWE used is bullocks.
Would it be better if they judt came our and said "yeah we just don't really want to use you, so we are letting you go" rather than say budget cuts? Maybe? I dunno.
Thinking about it overnight I wouldn't be shocked if Hit Row was released because of that rap Top Dolla put out and people in WWE saying "he was the one we saw as a big star and he proved why we cannot trust him" so they released them since they didn't see much in Swerve or Adonis... of course based on how at least Swerve has been on social media I could also see them asking for their release.
Shane Thorne is gonna hook up with Jonah and Mikey Nichols and reunite TDMK.
Sucks for Tegan because of fighting back from another injury. Hopefully she gets a chance somewhere.
Drake... sucks that WWE fired him again but I think this time he was ready and maybe wanted it?
JoMo I think was gone even before Taya got released but her release made it inevitable.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Nov 19, 2021 7:27:44 GMT -5
I mean, even the first three you mentioned took time to get to their stride, Cena and Orton were generic dudes with trunks and Batista was "Big heel bodyguard with a weapon" in 2002-3. In modern WWE, Cena wouldn't have been a rapper, Orton wouldn't have reached his RNN period and Batista would have never gone past "Deacon". And all signs point to them being really close to cutting Cena before he got the rap gimmick. They’ve never had a ton of patience with folks. Amazing how much the course of the company changed because Steph heard Cena rap on a bus. She hears him rap, tells him his character is a rapper, he gets some freedom, and WWE gets the face of the company for over a decade.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Nov 19, 2021 7:29:13 GMT -5
Rykker is a surprise, either he refused to get vaxed or Vince thought he was Elias and fired the wrong one.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Nov 19, 2021 7:30:04 GMT -5
And all signs point to them being really close to cutting Cena before he got the rap gimmick. They’ve never had a ton of patience with folks. Amazing how much the course of the company changed because Steph heard Cena rap on a bus. She hears him rap, tells him his character is a rapper, he gets some freedom, and WWE gets the face of the company for over a decade. Like, at the time it was a quirky story but in hindsight, it sort of felt like a foreboding anecdote about how the company was basically hoping you were over right away and if it didn't work, it was your fault and not theirs despite them having more resources.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Nov 19, 2021 7:32:18 GMT -5
I also note the trend that these releases either come the day before or on a Friday
Like WWE is deadset on making Smackdown's "ARE YOU READY FOR A GOOD TIME!?" lyric the most ironic shit ever.
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Post by Zen411 on Nov 19, 2021 7:32:20 GMT -5
Hit row release legit pisses me off. Like I imagine vince and prichard wondering why they haven't said whoomp there it is yet. Dammit where are the colorful hoodies? I can't market this crap!
The good part of it is they were released intact and before they ruined them with a new gimmick or made them a comedy act.
Wwe is so out of touch its not funny.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Nov 19, 2021 7:34:55 GMT -5
I also note the trend that these releases either come the day before or on a Friday Like WWE is deadset on making Smackdown's "ARE YOU READY FOR A GOOD TIME!?" lyric the most ironic shit ever. It's burying the bad news at the end of the week, because the weekend is coming up and people may ignore it or let go of that rage.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Nov 19, 2021 7:35:40 GMT -5
I have no idea who WWE are going to turn to in a few years time to be their new main players. Big E seems like the only dude presently that is going to make that step up to 'one of the faces of the company'-type level. Bianca too for the womens division. NXT 2.0 is going to have so many wash outs; they're basically throwing all their shit at the wall and praying two or three stick and make it big like Cena/Orton/Batista in 2002-2005 or the Shield in 2012-2014. Cause those two big hits for them have carried them through the last 15 years. EDIT: I forgot to say the Horsewomen too; their other big hit in terms of discovering and raising new talent to massive superstars. But look at Cena/Orton/Batista. Batista and Orton were ground up guys. But Orton grew up around the business. And Batista was mostly a failure without Flair and H taking a shine to him and taking him under their wing. Cena had indie experience but was still almost cut. None of them are real good examples of developmental working. And The Shield was made up of 2 experienced indie guys and 1 developmental guy. And he was the hardest for WWE to get truly over as a main eventer. The others just fit right in it seems.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Nov 19, 2021 7:35:57 GMT -5
And all signs point to them being really close to cutting Cena before he got the rap gimmick. They’ve never had a ton of patience with folks. And they didn't even really try with Cena. Orton at least had the "third generation" thing that could have been fleshed out, Cena had the Jericho win (which was more what Jericho wanted rather than what the company wanted), the "blink-and-you'll-miss-it" team with Kidman and a brief heel feud with Kidman afterwards? For a guy they thought to be the future, he wasn't really treated like it before he fluked the whole rap thing. IDK they gave him a pretty big debut with him taking Angle to the limit and Undertaker giving him the rub afterwards. Him, Rey, and Edge were presented as the three big babyfaces of the future on Smackdown that Summer. He did flounder a bit in the late summer/early fall but you can say that for a lot of guys on Smackdown in 2002 as I remember there not being a lot of fluidity in their booking mainly in regards to the midcard that year. Like they would have Batista get wins in consecutive weeks over Orton and Mark Henry only to then randomly lose to Rikishi who then in turn would would lose to D-Von, D-Von would then lose to Faarooq but then come back and beat Cena the week after only for Cena then to beat Rikish the week after. It was just kind of a muddled mess with a bunch of dudes just alternating between winning and losing while not gaining any momentum. Also at the end of the day Cena had what like maybe 1 month where he was on the backburner? He beat Jericho at Vengeance in July and then I think he turned heel on Kidman after they lost in the tag tournament which was in September I think and then the rapper gimmick started in October after he dressed like Vanilla Ice for that Halloween Party segment. I mean there was probably a brief period where maybe they were down on him a bit when he losing to guys like D-Von or whataver but I don't think he was in danger of being released or anything like that. They didn't have a ton of patience for guys back then but they didn't just release them with a drop of hat like they do either. They probably would've still kept him around and at least a tried with him for a few more years and gave him different chances with different gimmicks to see if anything stuck.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Nov 19, 2021 7:38:47 GMT -5
I have no idea who WWE are going to turn to in a few years time to be their new main players. Big E seems like the only dude presently that is going to make that step up to 'one of the faces of the company'-type level. Bianca too for the womens division. NXT 2.0 is going to have so many wash outs; they're basically throwing all their shit at the wall and praying two or three stick and make it big like Cena/Orton/Batista in 2002-2005 or the Shield in 2012-2014. Cause those two big hits for them have carried them through the last 15 years. EDIT: I forgot to say the Horsewomen too; their other big hit in terms of discovering and raising new talent to massive superstars. But look at Cena/Orton/Batista. Batista and Orton were ground up guys. But Orton grew up around the business. And Batista was mostly a failure without Flair and H taking a shine to him and taking him under their wing. Cena had indie experience but was still almost cut. None of them are real good examples of developmental working. And The Shield was made up of 2 experienced indie guys and 1 developmental guy. And he was the hardest for WWE to get truly over as a main eventer. The others just fit right in it seems. Moxley: "If WWE let Roman be Roman, the fans wouldn't be rejecting him."
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2021 7:42:16 GMT -5
Bit of walking thoughts here while I went and did some grocery shopping: 1. If everybody has been so outraged by WWE's... well, everything, over the last 20 years or so, how is it that AEW is still behind WWE in viewer numbers? Name recognition and nostalgia. Lots of people just know the WWE, and if they stop watching, they're not seeking out some alternative; they just won't watch any wrestling. I also feel like there's kind of an association with AEW that it's For The Hardcore Wrestling Nerds and it feels unwelcoming. Like you show up at a show and everyone in the crowd immediately challenges you to name ten NWA champions. Fair or not, I think it keeps younger fans away. I'll be a smartass and name Adam Pearce, Sabu, Ray Gonzales, Dan Severn, Colorado Kid, Rob Conway, Tim Storm, Kahagas, Brent Albright, and the original Shiek.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Nov 19, 2021 7:45:41 GMT -5
I have no idea who WWE are going to turn to in a few years time to be their new main players. Big E seems like the only dude presently that is going to make that step up to 'one of the faces of the company'-type level. Bianca too for the womens division. NXT 2.0 is going to have so many wash outs; they're basically throwing all their shit at the wall and praying two or three stick and make it big like Cena/Orton/Batista in 2002-2005 or the Shield in 2012-2014. Cause those two big hits for them have carried them through the last 15 years. EDIT: I forgot to say the Horsewomen too; their other big hit in terms of discovering and raising new talent to massive superstars. But look at Cena/Orton/Batista. Batista and Orton were ground up guys. But Orton grew up around the business. And Batista was mostly a failure without Flair and H taking a shine to him and taking him under their wing. Cena had indie experience but was still almost cut. None of them are real good examples of developmental working. And The Shield was made up of 2 experienced indie guys and 1 developmental guy. And he was the hardest for WWE to get truly over as a main eventer. The others just fit right in it seems. Same can be said for the 4HW. Charlotte was the only one of the four who didn't have indie experience and despite being the most consistently pushed is probably the least over (I guess you could argue she was maybe more over then Bayley at times but that's debatable; Becky and Sasha have definitely been always more over then her).
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Nov 19, 2021 7:53:03 GMT -5
And they didn't even really try with Cena. Orton at least had the "third generation" thing that could have been fleshed out, Cena had the Jericho win (which was more what Jericho wanted rather than what the company wanted), the "blink-and-you'll-miss-it" team with Kidman and a brief heel feud with Kidman afterwards? For a guy they thought to be the future, he wasn't really treated like it before he fluked the whole rap thing. IDK they gave him a pretty big debut with him taking Angle to the limit and Undertaker giving him the rub afterwards. Him, Rey, and Edge were presented as the three big babyfaces of the future on Smackdown that Summer. He did flounder a bit in the late summer/early fall but you can say that for a lot of guys on Smackdown in 2002 as I remember there not being a lot of fluidity in their booking mainly in regards to the midcard that year. Like they would have Batista get wins in consecutive weeks over Orton and Mark Henry only to then randomly lose to Rikishi who then in turn would would lose to D-Von, D-Von would then lose to Faarooq but then come back and beat Cena the week after only for Cena then to beat Rikish the week after. It was just kind of a muddled mess with a bunch of dudes just alternating between winning and losing while not gaining any momentum. Also at the end of the day Cena had what like maybe 1 month where he was on the backburner? He beat Jericho at Vengeance in July and then I think he turned heel on Kidman after they lost in the tag tournament which was in September I think and then the rapper gimmick started in October after he dressed like Vanilla Ice for that Halloween Party segment. I mean there was probably a brief period where maybe they were down on him a bit when he losing to guys like D-Von or whataver but I don't think he was in danger of being released or anything like that. They didn't have a ton of patience for guys back then but they didn't just release them with a drop of hat like they do either. They probably would've still kept him around and at least a tried with him for a few more years and gave him different chances with different gimmicks to see if anything stuck. I don't know, like, going from having matches with Angle and Jericho to being a side piece in a tag title tournament and feuding with Kidman seems like a extreme plummit, no disrespect to Kidman and the like. And my overall point is, really, they did have patience for people. Cena maybe not but Batista was still big and Orton was still Bob Orton's son so they were going to get chance after chance but people would stick around and they'd try stuff with them. If, say, La Resistance split up during the draft, you couldn't guarantee me in 2021 WWE that either Sylvan Granier or Rene Dupree would have lasted in the company any longer than the day after under today's WWE because nobody would know what to do with them or be allowed to do so.
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Post by polarbearpete on Nov 19, 2021 7:53:54 GMT -5
I have no idea who WWE are going to turn to in a few years time to be their new main players. Big E seems like the only dude presently that is going to make that step up to 'one of the faces of the company'-type level. Bianca too for the womens division. NXT 2.0 is going to have so many wash outs; they're basically throwing all their shit at the wall and praying two or three stick and make it big like Cena/Orton/Batista in 2002-2005 or the Shield in 2012-2014. Cause those two big hits for them have carried them through the last 15 years. EDIT: I forgot to say the Horsewomen too; their other big hit in terms of discovering and raising new talent to massive superstars. Breakerr. Big E. Woods. McIntyre. Montez. Riddle. Priest. Reigns. Rollins. Stevenson. Bianca. Becky. Bayley. Charlotte. Sasha. Ripley.
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