Mecca
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Post by Mecca on Jun 2, 2021 13:32:19 GMT -5
Vince is really old and senile and has no concept of the times we live in now, everyone knows this but he's in charge. I'm not sure if it's senility or just straight stubbornness, he's always been stubborn but stuff like that gets worse when you get older. But Yes, a lot of the WWE's problems could be fixed if Vince agreed to ether step aside and just be like the figurehead or step down entirely... (I say could because that does depend on who they put in position to have final say) Neither of which are things Vince will ever do. The WWE is like the show succession.
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Post by clifford on Jun 2, 2021 13:33:07 GMT -5
I can not even begin to describe how happy I am to see Black done with that company. Maybe the worst misuse of talent they've ever done, and that is saying something. Wherever he goes, I will be watching. The dude is money.
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Post by darbus alan on Jun 2, 2021 13:34:06 GMT -5
I don't think anyone blames their creative team for their problems. It's clearly Vince that is the issue, he's been the problem for years and years. I've seen people on this board still take shots at creative for having nothing for people or the "uncreative" line... when again we have had multiple people say time and time again it's not creative... it's Vince. Yep. It's come from former wrestlers, former backstage folks, former members of the creative team, even. It's Vince. It's always been Vince and the sycophants in his ear.
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Jun 2, 2021 13:34:14 GMT -5
I will be mystified if WWE actually does release Bray. That would be the ultimate indictment of the company's inability to get out of its own way and allow stars to organically develop. The Fiend was over to a level that few things in wrestling have been in the last five years or so, and they just completely squandered that to a point where we're discussing his release as a realistic possibility just over a year later. That said, he's someone who would absolutely go to AEW and would probably thrive there with the creative reins taken off. His family has such a long history with the Rhodes, he's someone I would legitimately be excited to see in AEW. They should have just kept him an attraction. When he had to wholesale interact with other wrestlers, and contend for titles (so he has to lose them if he wins them, or just not win) was when things went wonky. The FFH vignettes and other things are still entertaining enough, IMO. Plus I'd worry for C Wrestling and people around him if Bray did leave. As for AEW helping, remember when we thought we'd regain full-batshit-insane Broken Matt Hardy and his insane cinematic matches and universe? Didn't quite work out (granted the pandemic did not help, but...)
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Jun 2, 2021 13:34:34 GMT -5
He’s vastly bigger than all of them so he’d give the matches he can have a new dynamic that the others cannot. Braun - 6’8 344 Wardlow- 6’2 267 Archer- 6’8 265 Vance- 6’2 240 Miro- 6’0 304 Cage- 6’0 272 Hobbs- 6’1 270 Miro is only 6 Feet? He looks around 6'3 on TV. You can see that he's visibly shorter than a few guys who are not known for being tall - IIRC he is shorter than Chuck Taylor. But when a guy has a chest and shoulders that wide, and that much muscle, he registers as "huge" (and rightly so) no matter how short he is.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2021 13:34:48 GMT -5
I will be mystified if WWE actually does release Bray. That would be the ultimate indictment of the company's inability to get out of its own way and allow stars to organically develop. The Fiend was over to a level that few things in wrestling have been in the last five years or so, and they just completely squandered that to a point where we're discussing his release as a realistic possibility just over a year later. That said, he's someone who would absolutely go to AEW and would probably thrive there with the creative reins taken off. His family has such a long history with the Rhodes, he's someone I would legitimately be excited to see in AEW. I wouldn't, no one moves the needle so no one is untouchable. Oh I absolutely agree with that. Even said it earlier in the thread. I more mean "mystified" as "damn that's stupid" than "surprising."
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Jun 2, 2021 13:35:44 GMT -5
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Post by brettappedout (BLM) on Jun 2, 2021 13:35:47 GMT -5
Black was/is shitting on dirt sheets lmao
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Post by spagett on Jun 2, 2021 13:36:12 GMT -5
Is there anyone in WWE that is truly untouchable?
Reigns?
Would he be the only one?
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Post by polarbearpete on Jun 2, 2021 13:36:24 GMT -5
Black going hard against the “dirtsheets,” telling people not to pay money for them. Said there’s 5% truth and 95% fabrication. Said his NXT proposal wasn’t just flat out shut down like was reported. And said the “plans changes” is a cop out they use when they get a story wrong.
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Post by jhbboy198917 on Jun 2, 2021 13:36:28 GMT -5
Tommy End shouts out Randy, Bray, Roman and The Usos. He also says that Roman is probably the best lockeroom leader he’s ever been around
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Jun 2, 2021 13:36:33 GMT -5
Black was/is shitting on dirt sheets lmao It's why I honestly only subscribe to Fightful these days. Everybody else just seems to be full of shit. At least Sapp seems to have real connections and doesn't just f*** around with things.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Jun 2, 2021 13:37:18 GMT -5
Black was/is shitting on dirt sheets lmao It's why I honestly only subscribe to Fightful these days. Everybody else just seems to be full of shit. At least Sapp seems to have real connections and doesn't just f*** around with things. Ironically enough, now it seems like he may be shitting on Fightful.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2021 13:37:26 GMT -5
I will be mystified if WWE actually does release Bray. That would be the ultimate indictment of the company's inability to get out of its own way and allow stars to organically develop. The Fiend was over to a level that few things in wrestling have been in the last five years or so, and they just completely squandered that to a point where we're discussing his release as a realistic possibility just over a year later. That said, he's someone who would absolutely go to AEW and would probably thrive there with the creative reins taken off. His family has such a long history with the Rhodes, he's someone I would legitimately be excited to see in AEW. They should have just kept him an attraction. When he had to wholesale interact with other wrestlers, and contend for titles (so he has to lose them if he wins them, or just not win) was when things went wonky. The FFH vignettes and other things are still entertaining enough, IMO. As for AEW helping, remember when we thought we'd regain full-batshit-insane Broken Matt Hardy and his insane cinematic matches and universe? Didn't quite work out (granted the pandemic did not help, but...) I thought Broken Matt actually had a pretty significant high point at the Stadium Stampede, but, yeah, that's a character that needs live crowd reactions to really "work." I think his AEW run, on the whole, has been pretty good though, myself.
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Post by spagett on Jun 2, 2021 13:37:34 GMT -5
It's difficult to shit on the Plans Change thing when a week ago they kicked off the Aliester Black Big E feud and now he's been let go.
Surely plans changed there?....
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Post by Chiral on Jun 2, 2021 13:37:57 GMT -5
Tommy End shouts out Randy, Bray, Roman and The Usos. He also says that Roman is probably the best lockeroom leader he’s ever been around Not surprised there, from accounts Roman cleaned up a LOT of the ancient backstage bullshit as locker room leader.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Jun 2, 2021 13:38:43 GMT -5
Is there anyone in WWE that is truly untouchable? Reigns? Would he be the only one? It's hard to tell, but I think he's probably the only person that may have say.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2021 13:38:54 GMT -5
On the bright side, Black with creative freedom is going to be great. I don't expect a "Sandow as Liberace" kind of bomb from him.
Anyway, I hope my girl Ruby and Murphy also kill it wherever they go. I would've liked to see Murphy in NXT.
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Mecca
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Post by Mecca on Jun 2, 2021 13:40:00 GMT -5
Black going hard against the “dirtsheets,” telling people not to pay money for them. Said there’s 5% truth and 95% fabrication. Said his NXT proposal wasn’t just flat out shut down like was reported. And said the “plans changes” is a cop out they use when they get a story wrong. Apparently Prichard talked to him about Big Daddy Meltz!
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Post by Chiral on Jun 2, 2021 13:40:33 GMT -5
Also as always with firing sprees I'll expect it to be done as soon as a random insider goes "you won't BELIEVE this next one it's a HUGE NAME" whenever that happens no more get released
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