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Post by Mid-Carder on Jun 2, 2021 16:39:17 GMT -5
Only reasons I can see it is if Vince knows he doesn't have much time left, he's finally bored with wrestling or if he had an epiphany and realized that he'd rather spend time doing something else which, in turn, could be similar to the other reasons. Basically he gotta be done with this wrestling stuff. He'd also have to have zero faith in his kids and Triple H to continue the family business. This is what's sticking with me too. Steph reinvented herself as The First Feminist for PR purposes, just for Vince to sell the company?
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Post by chazraps on Jun 2, 2021 16:39:32 GMT -5
Just remembered, Strowman kicked out of Goldberg's jackhammer, right?
Haven't only he and Lesnar done that ever? (Hogan technically too, but it was some weird circumstance with a botch that I don't think counts? Some WCW 2000 run-in snafu)
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Post by Von Wagner's Brownies on Jun 2, 2021 16:40:38 GMT -5
"I haven't been around anyone, I've just been in places that have a lot of people in it."
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Post by Mecca on Jun 2, 2021 16:42:14 GMT -5
He'd also have to have zero faith in his kids and Triple H to continue the family business. This is what's sticking with me too. Steph reinvented herself as The First Feminist for PR purposes, just for Vince to sell the company? He still wouldn't be doing all he does if he believed in his kids. The company really is the show succession. Also I don't think Vince gives a damn what they want or think. They a own enough stock to be setup for their lives, their kids lives, kids kids etc.
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Post by chazraps on Jun 2, 2021 16:42:48 GMT -5
Just noticed:
40% of the talent in matches at TLC 2019, a mere 18 months ago, are no longer with the company.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2021 16:43:02 GMT -5
Just remembered, Strowman kicked out of Goldberg's jackhammer, right? Haven't only he and Lesnar done that ever? (Hogan technically too, but it was some weird circumstance with a botch that I don't think counts? Some WCW 2000 run-in snafu) Goldberg never actually Jackhammered him, just speared him a bunch of times then tried for it.
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Post by They Adam Bradley on Jun 2, 2021 16:43:17 GMT -5
Let’s come back to this post in about 100 days. If Black/End goes to AEW, he will take Brodie’s places as the leader of the Dark Order. I can see them going back to being more evil and heelish and I can see that happening with Tommy End debuting and being the force that turns a them heel again...or I can see them staying baby face and just having him as the leader. I can already see the BTE skits with End and Silver “Thomas Thomas Thomas” but I would bet one of my testicles if he goes to AEW he becomes the Dark Orders leaders. Make to much sense and it’s a $$$ idea
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Post by thehottag on Jun 2, 2021 16:44:51 GMT -5
That interview with the fired ref was a proper head-scratcher.
- Says his professional performance never dipped, whilst also admitting that 'his heart wasn't in it'
- Says he believes in Covid, but then admits he refused to quarantine when required
- Says 'woke cancel culture' got him fired (whatthehellever), but then says it was WWE because he 'went to church' after admitting he purposely didn't comply with the Covid rules
- Denies affiliation to Qanon, in spite of participating in fundraisers.
He really is the Wuertz.
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Post by knightboat on Jun 2, 2021 16:49:36 GMT -5
That interview with the fired ref was a proper head-scratcher. - Says his professional performance never dipped, whilst also admitting that 'his heart wasn't in it' - Says he believes in Covid, but then admits he refused to quarantine when required - Says 'woke cancel culture' got him fired (whatthehellever), but then says it was WWE because he 'went to church' after admitting he purposely didn't comply with the Covid rules - Denies affiliation to Qanon, in spite of participating in fundraisers. He really is the Wuertz. I'm not a part of Q I just believe everything they say and will happily repeat everything they say. I have no affiliation with the Proud Boys but if they need someone to hand out flyers I'm available. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I hope Wuertz gets professional help because I don't want anything bad to happen to him or because of him.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2021 16:49:55 GMT -5
The Riot Squad's match last Friday felt like the writing was on the wall. I'm still very disappointed. Black seemed like a can't miss talent, and seriously just returned to tv. Braun had his problems but its crazy he was white hot going into Mania a few years ago, that him pulling a kid out of the crowd felt like it was the biggest part the entire show.
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Post by Mecca on Jun 2, 2021 16:51:48 GMT -5
The Riot Squad's match last Friday felt like the writing was on the wall. I'm still very disappointed. Black seemed like a can't miss talent, and seriously just returned to tv. Braun had his problems but its crazy he was white hot going into Mania a few years ago, that him pulling a kid out of the crowd felt like it was the biggest part the entire show. Braun is literally Vince's wet dream of a wrestler which says to me Nick Khan has all of Vince's ear to cut costs.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Jun 2, 2021 16:51:50 GMT -5
Speaking of released talent, Drake Wuertz did his first interview since being released (transcription is from Fightful): Speaking on Fireside Chat, Wuertz opened up about his release. "I was expecting it. My heart had not been in it for the past six months. It got to the point where I didn't feel right about the atmosphere and I was just coming to work for the paycheck. When it gets to that point, it's time to step away. I went into work to go to Terry Taylor's class and was called into the office. Canyon Ceman let me know I was being let go. It wasn't surprising. They let me go say goodbye to the coaches I was closest with, Terry Taylor and Matt Bloom. It was bittersweet because I spent more time there than I did my own family," he said. "It wasn't my performance. My performance never wavered and the trust in the ring never wavered. I was frequently requested by top talent." Wuertz worked the NXT show the day before his release and made sure to note that he wasn't wearing a mask when he entered the Performance Center the day of his release. When asked when he started to feel a shift in how those in WWE looked at him, Wuertz replied, "November, right around the election. It all started with woke cancel culture that just wants to attack people because they have views they don't agree with. It started specifically with me and WWE was when David Bixenspan started attacking me. That's when the ball got rolling." Bixenspan wrote an in-depth article looking at Wuertz' outside activities in WWE, which you can read by clicking here. Wuertz stated he is not part of QAnon, never endorsed QAnon, doesn't believe in conspiracy theories, has no affiliation with the Proud Boys. After his release, Fightful reported Wuertz was "either formally or informally suspended earlier in 2021 and was not permitted at the Performance Center for several weeks." Wuertz explained his suspension, saying, "A month before WrestleMania, I get a call from my department head, Scott Armstrong, who says, 'Somebody tested positive at work, we're asking everyone to quarantine.' I called him back and was like, 'I have stuff to do. I'm not sick. I tested negative. I haven't been around anyone.' I told him I had church, the Walk For Life, and I coach my son's baseball team. Those responsibilities were more important to me than pleasing WWE. I told him, 'No, I'm not staying home.' I got a call saying, 'You're off TV for two weeks, you violated quarantine.' 'For going to church?' They refused to answer." Wuertz said he is not a COVID denier and admitted that he tested positive for COVID, but didn't experience any symptoms. "Of course I believe in COVID. My grandparents have both had it. I caught it for a little bit. A whole chunk of the roster caught it. I didn't have any symptoms, the only reason I knew I had it is because they stick the stick up our nose two times a week," he said. When asked about his future, Wuertz said, "I wouldn't say that my time in wrestling business is done, but the days of that being my entire existence is behind me." Wuertz is scheduled to return to the ring under his Independent name Drake Younger on June 26. "I'm not a part of QAnon, I just believe everything they do and behave as such" is a pretty shitty defense. f*** this dude.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2021 16:53:09 GMT -5
That interview with the fired ref was a proper head-scratcher. - Says his professional performance never dipped, whilst also admitting that 'his heart wasn't in it' - Says he believes in Covid, but then admits he refused to quarantine when required - Says 'woke cancel culture' got him fired (whatthehellever), but then says it was WWE because he 'went to church' after admitting he purposely didn't comply with the Covid rules - Denies affiliation to Qanon, in spite of participating in fundraisers. He really is the Wuertz. I'm not a part of Q I just believe everything they say and will happily repeat everything they say. I have no affiliation with the Proud Boys but if they need someone to hand out flyers I'm available. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I hope Wuertz gets professional help because I don't want anything bad to happen to him or because of him. The dude did have a wrestling career that mostly consisted of him getting hit in the head with light tubes and sundry other objects. I can't imagine how many concussions he's had.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2021 16:58:06 GMT -5
Something had to have happened with Braun.
There's dozens of people I would've predicted to be let go before him. Hell there are title holders right now that I could've seen let go before him. I don't like him as a wrestler or as a man with opinions on twitter but this makes absolutely zero sense.
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Jun 2, 2021 16:59:00 GMT -5
Speaking of released talent, Drake Wuertz did his first interview since being released (transcription is from Fightful): Speaking on Fireside Chat, Wuertz opened up about his release. "I was expecting it. My heart had not been in it for the past six months. It got to the point where I didn't feel right about the atmosphere and I was just coming to work for the paycheck. When it gets to that point, it's time to step away. I went into work to go to Terry Taylor's class and was called into the office. Canyon Ceman let me know I was being let go. It wasn't surprising. They let me go say goodbye to the coaches I was closest with, Terry Taylor and Matt Bloom. It was bittersweet because I spent more time there than I did my own family," he said. "It wasn't my performance. My performance never wavered and the trust in the ring never wavered. I was frequently requested by top talent." Wuertz worked the NXT show the day before his release and made sure to note that he wasn't wearing a mask when he entered the Performance Center the day of his release. When asked when he started to feel a shift in how those in WWE looked at him, Wuertz replied, "November, right around the election. It all started with woke cancel culture that just wants to attack people because they have views they don't agree with. It started specifically with me and WWE was when David Bixenspan started attacking me. That's when the ball got rolling." Bixenspan wrote an in-depth article looking at Wuertz' outside activities in WWE, which you can read by clicking here. Wuertz stated he is not part of QAnon, never endorsed QAnon, doesn't believe in conspiracy theories, has no affiliation with the Proud Boys.
After his release, Fightful reported Wuertz was "either formally or informally suspended earlier in 2021 and was not permitted at the Performance Center for several weeks." Wuertz explained his suspension, saying, "A month before WrestleMania, I get a call from my department head, Scott Armstrong, who says, 'Somebody tested positive at work, we're asking everyone to quarantine.' I called him back and was like, 'I have stuff to do. I'm not sick. I tested negative. I haven't been around anyone.' I told him I had church, the Walk For Life, and I coach my son's baseball team. Those responsibilities were more important to me than pleasing WWE. I told him, 'No, I'm not staying home.' I got a call saying, 'You're off TV for two weeks, you violated quarantine.' 'For going to church?' They refused to answer." Wuertz said he is not a COVID denier and admitted that he tested positive for COVID, but didn't experience any symptoms. "Of course I believe in COVID. My grandparents have both had it. I caught it for a little bit. A whole chunk of the roster caught it. I didn't have any symptoms, the only reason I knew I had it is because they stick the stick up our nose two times a week," he said. When asked about his future, Wuertz said, "I wouldn't say that my time in wrestling business is done, but the days of that being my entire existence is behind me." Wuertz is scheduled to return to the ring under his Independent name Drake Younger on June 26. Hmmm...I think I can pick out a couple lies here...
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Post by Viking Hall on Jun 2, 2021 16:59:24 GMT -5
Punker ain't wrong. If there's something that really sticks out to me about WWE compared with most of the other promotions going right now, even smaller ones like GCW, it just feels like they couldn't be much further away from the pulse of where a lot of the viewing public is at right now, which is kind of how I interpret the whole "in a language no one understands now" line since WWE is so rigid in how it presents storylines, characters, and feuds. I mean, it is literally in a language nobody really understands too. Regular viewers may take the buzzwords in their stride but as someone who only watches a WWE show once in a blue moon it's amazingly jarring at just how nonsensical a lot of the WWE language is.
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Post by Sicho100 on Jun 2, 2021 16:59:41 GMT -5
Only reasons I can see it is if Vince knows he doesn't have much time left, he's finally bored with wrestling or if he had an epiphany and realized that he'd rather spend time doing something else which, in turn, could be similar to the other reasons. Basically he gotta be done with this wrestling stuff. He'd also have to have zero faith in his kids and Triple H to continue the family business. I can actually see a sale as a way for them to have their cake and eat it too. If NBC, say, were to buy it, they may take over the business operations (or leave it to someone like Khan), but, like early 90s WCW (or similar to UFC with Dana White today), they would likely still want a wrestling guy in charge of the shows. And, assuming Vince would retire in this scenario, the most sensible person to be that wrestling czar would be…Triple H (and, luckily for the hypothetical NBC here, he’s clearly much more professional than the wrestling guys WCW had thirty years ago). By selling, the McMahons could pocket the billions of dollars without having to worry about losing everything if the company collapses, but may still be able to run the wrestling side without having to worry about working on the corporate side, too.
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Post by Hypnosis on Jun 2, 2021 17:01:43 GMT -5
Punker ain't wrong. If there's something that really sticks out to me about WWE compared with most of the other promotions going right now, even smaller ones like GCW, it just feels like they couldn't be much further away from the pulse of where a lot of the viewing public is at right now, which is kind of how I interpret the whole "in a language no one understands now" line since WWE is so rigid in how it presents storylines, characters, and feuds. I mean, it is literally in a language nobody really understands too. Regular viewers may take the buzzwords in their stride but as someone who only watches a WWE show once in a blue moon it's amazingly jarring at just how nonsensical a lot of the WWE language is. "Knocked off" and "championship opportunity" are two of the dumbest phrases I've ever heard on TV.
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Post by greyfmdan on Jun 2, 2021 17:03:23 GMT -5
I know people are reading the tea leaves, but I can't see many situations where an egomaniacal control freak like Vince McMahon would sell WWE to anyone. Only reasons I can see it is if Vince knows he doesn't have much time left, he's finally bored with wrestling or if he had an epiphany and realized that he'd rather spend time doing something else which, in turn, could be similar to the other reasons. Basically he gotta be done with this wrestling stuff. You’re not wrong, but I think it would have to be a complete change of heart for him. Barring that type of heart change, I personally see Vince as being one of these old guys so dedicated to his work, that if it were ever taken away from him, he’d be dead in six months.
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Post by Viking Hall on Jun 2, 2021 17:04:38 GMT -5
I mean, it is literally in a language nobody really understands too. Regular viewers may take the buzzwords in their stride but as someone who only watches a WWE show once in a blue moon it's amazingly jarring at just how nonsensical a lot of the WWE language is. "Knocked off" and "championship opportunity" are two of the dumbest phrases I've ever heard on TV. At WrestleMania when they kept referring to the 'universe being back' was what got me. Imagine tuning in for the first time on a whim, you'd have no clue what this meant. You'd be pretty disappointed to find out they just meant paying audience.
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