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Post by EP 54 is banned from Collision on Jul 22, 2021 11:29:02 GMT -5
I am disturbed that AEW are promoting a convicted felon.
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Post by RKTaker on Jul 22, 2021 11:29:46 GMT -5
The thing that surpasses the surprise of him appearing is the surprise of that big pop he got from the audience. I wasn't expecting that from the crowd. And that pizza cutter really added to the moment, like a cherry on top. This world we live in, man. AEW as a whole has always felt like someone's ridiculously unrealistic TEW game playing out in real life. "Oh, so your user avatar is the son of a billionaire and you're a massive pro wrestling fan, so you have enough resources to instantly debut a national wrestling show on TNT?" Sure. "Oh, you have Cody Rhodes, Kenny Omega, the Young Bucks, and even Chris Jericho on board?" *eye roll* "Dean Ambrose has jumped to your upstart little company?" Sure, buddy. "You now have working agreements with NJPW and IMPACT? Yuji Nagata is going to main event your TV show?" Super realistic there, pal. "You just brought in Nick Gage to fight Chris Jericho in a no holds barred match on national TV?" Come on man... But like, it's real life and man do I love it. “Andrade and Aleister have both been released by WWE and you instantly sign them” yeah ok
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Post by 4TheGlory on Jul 22, 2021 11:34:52 GMT -5
I am disturbed that AEW are promoting a convicted felon. He paid his debt to society by serving his prison time and has from all accounts turned his life around. Should Booker T be black balled too by this logic?
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Post by RKTaker on Jul 22, 2021 11:37:02 GMT -5
also is the the largest Crowd that Gage has ever been in?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2021 11:43:08 GMT -5
I am disturbed that AEW are promoting a convicted felon. As respectfully as I can possibly say this, this is an absolutely abysmal take. Someone already brought up Booker T, but in addition to him, R-Truth was a convicted felon. Steve Austin has been convicted of domestic abuse. Scott Steiner was convicted in the late 90s of felonies. The list goes on and on and on and on. It is a dangerous and destructive mindset to have (both in the context of professional wrestling, and in the world at large) that people should be branded with a scarlet letter and precluded from moving on with their lives simply because they have been convicted of a crime. The whole point of the penitentiary is to rehabilitate people while they serve their debt to society. What purpose does it serve if those people do exactly that, but are treated like pariahs the moment they get back into the real world even though their "debt" is paid? You're just asking for recidivism at that point. Nick Gage did over five years in prison. His debt to society is paid in full. Why should he continue to be punished now by being blacklisted from his profession? It's a ridiculous notion.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Jul 22, 2021 11:44:32 GMT -5
I am disturbed that AEW are promoting a convicted felon. As respectfully as I can possibly say this, this is an absolutely abysmal take. Someone already brought up Booker T, but in addition to him, R-Truth was a convicted felon. Steve Austin has been convicted of domestic abuse. Scott Steiner was convicted in the late 90s of felonies. The list goes on and on and on and on. It is a dangerous and destructive mindset to have (both in the context of professional wrestling, and in the world at large) that people should be branded with a scarlet letter and precluded from moving on with their lives simply because they have been convicted of a crime. The whole point of the penitentiary is to rehabilitate people while they serve their debt to society. What purpose does it serve if those people do exactly that, but are treated like pariahs the moment they get back into the real world even though their "debt" is paid? You're just asking for recidivism at that point. Nick Gage did over five years in prison. His debt to society is paid in full. Why should he continue to be punished now by being blacklisted from his profession? It's a ridiculous notion. Not OP, but my take is I don't have a problem with them using Cage. Gage I'm a little uncomfortable with them using his crime as a promotional tactic. (This guy is so crazy he robbed a bank!!!!) EDIT - I mean Gage, though I guess AEW booking Nic Cage would be something too
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Post by FinalGwen on Jul 22, 2021 11:49:12 GMT -5
I am disturbed that AEW are promoting a convicted felon. Gage is a far less egregious example of this than Mike Tyson, who's appeared multiple times.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2021 11:50:45 GMT -5
As respectfully as I can possibly say this, this is an absolutely abysmal take. Someone already brought up Booker T, but in addition to him, R-Truth was a convicted felon. Steve Austin has been convicted of domestic abuse. Scott Steiner was convicted in the late 90s of felonies. The list goes on and on and on and on. It is a dangerous and destructive mindset to have (both in the context of professional wrestling, and in the world at large) that people should be branded with a scarlet letter and precluded from moving on with their lives simply because they have been convicted of a crime. The whole point of the penitentiary is to rehabilitate people while they serve their debt to society. What purpose does it serve if those people do exactly that, but are treated like pariahs the moment they get back into the real world even though their "debt" is paid? You're just asking for recidivism at that point. Nick Gage did over five years in prison. His debt to society is paid in full. Why should he continue to be punished now by being blacklisted from his profession? It's a ridiculous notion. Not OP, but my take is I don't have a problem with them using Cage. I'm a little uncomfortable with them using his crime as a promotional tactic. (This guy is so crazy he robbed a bank!!!!) I think that's a perfectly fair opinion to have. My personal take on it is that it makes sense in the context of the pro wrestling storyline, as MJF went out and paid a "disgusting freak" to take out Jericho because he's so scared of him. MJF is the kind of smarmy asshole who would revel in the fact that he brought in a legitimately crazy and dangerous dude to fight Jericho, and the fact that he's glorifying it is just part and parcel of what a giant asshole he is. But, I can totally see where some would find anyone, even the company's biggest heel, glorifying his criminal past to be in poor taste. I just vehemently disagree with any notion that AEW should avoid doing business with him by mere virtue of the fact that he robbed a bank 11 years ago and served time in prison for it. That mindset has an almost incalculable negative effect on society, and is something I'm particularly passionate about.
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Post by salz4life on Jul 22, 2021 11:55:57 GMT -5
Not OP, but my take is I don't have a problem with them using Cage. I'm a little uncomfortable with them using his crime as a promotional tactic. (This guy is so crazy he robbed a bank!!!!) I think that's a perfectly fair opinion to have. My personal take on it is that it makes sense in the context of the pro wrestling storyline, as MJF went out and paid a "disgusting freak" to take out Jericho because he's so scared of him. MJF is the kind of smarmy asshole who would revel in the fact that he brought in a legitimately crazy and dangerous dude to fight Jericho, and the fact that he's glorifying it is just part and parcel of what a giant asshole he is. But, I can totally see where some would find anyone, even the company's biggest heel, glorifying his criminal past to be in poor taste. I just vehemently disagree with any notion that AEW should avoid doing business with him by mere virtue of the fact that he robbed a bank 11 years ago and served time in prison for it. That mindset has an almost incalculable negative effect on society, and is something I'm particularly passionate about. MJF already put out a tweet saying he doesn't like him and thinks he's sick. He just hired him as a mercenary to get Jericho.
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Post by RKTaker on Jul 22, 2021 12:00:46 GMT -5
As respectfully as I can possibly say this, this is an absolutely abysmal take. Someone already brought up Booker T, but in addition to him, R-Truth was a convicted felon. Steve Austin has been convicted of domestic abuse. Scott Steiner was convicted in the late 90s of felonies. The list goes on and on and on and on. It is a dangerous and destructive mindset to have (both in the context of professional wrestling, and in the world at large) that people should be branded with a scarlet letter and precluded from moving on with their lives simply because they have been convicted of a crime. The whole point of the penitentiary is to rehabilitate people while they serve their debt to society. What purpose does it serve if those people do exactly that, but are treated like pariahs the moment they get back into the real world even though their "debt" is paid? You're just asking for recidivism at that point. Nick Gage did over five years in prison. His debt to society is paid in full. Why should he continue to be punished now by being blacklisted from his profession? It's a ridiculous notion. Not OP, but my take is I don't have a problem with them using Cage. I'm a little uncomfortable with them using his crime as a promotional tactic. (This guy is so crazy he robbed a bank!!!!) EDIT - I mean Gage, though I guess AEW booking Nic Cage would be something too i think it was more explaining who Nick Gage was for people who didn’t know rather than “look at how crazy this guy is”
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2021 12:01:54 GMT -5
I think that's a perfectly fair opinion to have. My personal take on it is that it makes sense in the context of the pro wrestling storyline, as MJF went out and paid a "disgusting freak" to take out Jericho because he's so scared of him. MJF is the kind of smarmy asshole who would revel in the fact that he brought in a legitimately crazy and dangerous dude to fight Jericho, and the fact that he's glorifying it is just part and parcel of what a giant asshole he is. But, I can totally see where some would find anyone, even the company's biggest heel, glorifying his criminal past to be in poor taste. I just vehemently disagree with any notion that AEW should avoid doing business with him by mere virtue of the fact that he robbed a bank 11 years ago and served time in prison for it. That mindset has an almost incalculable negative effect on society, and is something I'm particularly passionate about. MJF already put out a tweet saying he doesn't like him and thinks he's sick. He just hired him as a mercenary to get Jericho. Yeah, that's why I put "disgusting freak" in quotations. I think the idea is that it's supposed to be uncomfortable that MJF is treating him like a tool, and harping on his past like that. But, I definitely see how that could be construed as in poor taste. That's a legitimate conversation to be had. Vilifying AEW for hiring him at all, to me, is not a legitimate conversation to be had.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 22, 2021 12:18:33 GMT -5
I am disturbed that AEW are promoting a convicted felon. Then you should have probably been disturbed at multiple people who got promoted in the wrestling business dude. Hate to break it to you. Gage isn't breaking new ground here and openly admitted to how stupid robbing the bank was. He didn't even have a weapon.
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Post by knightboat on Jul 22, 2021 12:43:50 GMT -5
I am disturbed that AEW are promoting a convicted felon. Then you should have probably been disturbed at multiple people who got promoted in the wrestling business dude. Hate to break it to you. Gage isn't breaking new ground here and openly admitted to how stupid robbing the bank was. He didn't even have a weapon. Nick Gage, the bank robber, is less problematic than 75-90 percent of the wrestling industry. A genuinely good dude who did something extremely stupid when he was flat broke.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2021 13:15:09 GMT -5
Then you should have probably been disturbed at multiple people who got promoted in the wrestling business dude. Hate to break it to you. Gage isn't breaking new ground here and openly admitted to how stupid robbing the bank was. He didn't even have a weapon. Nick Gage, the bank robber, is less problematic than 75-90 percent of the wrestling industry. A genuinely good dude who did something extremely stupid when he was flat broke. And, you know, even if he weren't a "genuinely good dude," he's been out of prison, now, for 5 years and has never had any professional issue. He's been working for wrestling companies for a half-decade, now, with no issue, but a slightly larger wrestling company should not work with him because of something he did 11 years ago? It is absolutely ridiculous, regressive, nonsense.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 22, 2021 13:19:26 GMT -5
Then you should have probably been disturbed at multiple people who got promoted in the wrestling business dude. Hate to break it to you. Gage isn't breaking new ground here and openly admitted to how stupid robbing the bank was. He didn't even have a weapon. Nick Gage, the bank robber, is less problematic than 75-90 percent of the wrestling industry. A genuinely good dude who did something extremely stupid when he was flat broke. Not only was he flat broke, he was high out of his mind on drugs. He was in a state where he was basically homeless and not even his close friends wanted anything to do with him. That Nick Gage isn't the Nick Gage getting a shot on AEW... or he wouldn't be booked.
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Post by y4j1981 on Jul 22, 2021 15:22:07 GMT -5
I am disturbed that AEW are promoting a convicted felon. Totally not the thread for this i guess but I never understood this logic. He did his time and should be allowed to rehabilitate back into society like everyone else. Isn't that the whole point?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2021 15:33:10 GMT -5
Just saw the Dark Side of the Ring episode, now I'm actually hyped about this! Interested to see how far they'll go with this match.
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Post by Glitch on Jul 22, 2021 16:37:48 GMT -5
AEW as a whole has always felt like someone's ridiculously unrealistic TEW game playing out in real life. "Oh, so your user avatar is the son of a billionaire and you're a massive pro wrestling fan, so you have enough resources to instantly debut a national wrestling show on TNT?" Sure. "Oh, you have Cody Rhodes, Kenny Omega, the Young Bucks, and even Chris Jericho on board?" *eye roll* "Dean Ambrose has jumped to your upstart little company?" Sure, buddy. "You now have working agreements with NJPW and IMPACT? Yuji Nagata is going to main event your TV show?" Super realistic there, pal. "You just brought in Nick Gage to fight Chris Jericho in a no holds barred match on national TV?" Come on man... But like, it's real life and man do I love it. “Andrade and Aleister have both been released by WWE and you instantly sign them” yeah ok "You're gonna convince the Big Show to leave the wwe after 20 years of being there? sure thing, buddy. "
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jul 22, 2021 16:38:59 GMT -5
I've not seen a Gage match since I was watching CZW shit on Dailymotion in 2006.
Jericho is a lot slower than he used to be, I hope he's ready to take some really sick bumps, because this ain't gonna be workrate...
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Jul 22, 2021 16:54:57 GMT -5
On a sidenote, Jericho unveiling The Painmaker was unintentionally funny. I think it was pulling out the hat and then the weird angry face afterwards.
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