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Post by James Fabiano on Jun 3, 2021 19:25:56 GMT -5
About the Roger/Bonkers connections, Bonkers did work out of Toontown, did he not?
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Post by horsemen4ever on Jun 3, 2021 21:10:28 GMT -5
One thing I don't understand about "New Partner On The Block", could they have temporary write off Lucky, he is taking a temp job, he will be back soon? From what history I have gathered (someone can correct me on this if I messed up): The Miranda episodes were actually made first, but some higher ups didn't think the show would sell to the audience as well if they aired as is. Thus, the Lucky episodes were created (with an origin pilot this time) to start things off, and then the switch off to the Miranda episodes would come later. Given Lucky and company weren't conceived when the Miranda episodes were made, they had to find a way to write him off permanently (getting a new job elsewhere and taking a certain amount of the cast with him) so viewers wouldn't wonder why he wasn't back. Again, might be missing some details or such there, but IIRC that's the gist of it. Yeah, but 1994 they went back to the Lucky episode. So continuity wise, wouldn't you want to write the status quo back to the previous one. I guess you could do what they did in the mid way point of the 6th season of Married of Children, just write off the Miranda episodes has some kind of dream.
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Post by Alyce: Old Media Enthusiast on Jun 3, 2021 21:27:34 GMT -5
Bonkers is the tale of three animated shows and only one of them is actually any good. The Raw Toonage stuff is fine, but mediocre even for the 90s. The Miranda era isn't bad and unlike Lucky at least feels more structured with recurring villains (though Al Vermin is literally just Fat Cat as a giant bug). But it suffers because Miranda is a bore and by the end of that run, the show clearly loved the pairing of Bonkers and Sgt. Grating more. And the Lucky Era is the best as it has the best surrounding cast (Dil and Marilyn, Fall-A-Part, a more prominently used Kanifky) and had the better iteration of the Bonkers character.
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Post by horsemen4ever on Jun 3, 2021 21:42:49 GMT -5
Bonkers is the tale of three animated shows and only one of them is actually any good. The Raw Toonage stuff is fine, but mediocre even for the 90s. The Miranda era isn't bad and unlike Lucky at least feels more structured with recurring villains (though Al Vermin is literally just Fat Cat as a giant bug). But it suffers because Miranda is a bore and by the end of that run, the show clearly loved the pairing of Bonkers and Sgt. Grating more. And the Lucky Era is the best as it has the best surrounding cast (Dil and Marilyn, Fall-A-Part, a more prominently used Kanifky) and had the better iteration of the Bonkers character. I liked that the Lucky episodes didn't have recurring villains. Bonkers and Miranda they were cops, Bonkers and Lucky were detectives. And detective cases is suppose to be more of mystery, trying to figure out who the culprit is and why. So having a different villains works more for that. Granted most of the villains in the Lucky episodes are obvious to the audience, though I have to admit the Weather Toons that actually surprised me, I did not see that coming. You agree with me, one plus of the Lucky episodes was the relationship Bonkers and is old cartoon co stars? Is that what you meant by better iteration of the Bonkers characters. In the Lucky episodes, it was a business relationship, not saying they weren't friends, they are actors, once the director says cut, that is it, they don't have the same dynamic and relationship as they do in the shorts. Bonkers having the exact relationship with his former co stars like he would in the shorts made no sense. If it was trying to be Roger Rabbit, there is a reason Baby Hermain does not act like a baby when they are not shooting the cartoons. Bonkers still having the school boy crush on Fawn Dear (personnel if you do any type of romantic tension off screen, it is for her to have a crush on him and he just doesn't notice, but that is another story) making Jitters life miserable when they not making a cartoon anymore, and he is a cop now, makes no sense. The fact he has other friends off set like Fall A Part rabbit, makes more sense with the narrative of what the Raw Toonage shorts is in this universe. They are just actors.
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Post by horsemen4ever on Jun 5, 2021 19:41:59 GMT -5
You know what I can't believe I never realized this before. But a majority of the Lucky episodes Bonkers himself plays less of a central role. It is really the Lucky show, so people that might find the title character annoying, he is not as front and center in the Lucky episodes, and personnel I do think Bonkers himself regardless is a little more toned down enough in the Lucky episodes than he is in the Raw Toonage short and the Miranda episodes.
Most of the Lucky episode is either about Lucky or the team. Heck looking at some of the plots of the Miranda episodes, I wonder how they would have been done under the Lucky episodes. For example the episode "Love Struck" I thinks had that been a Lucky episode, Lucky would be the one to go on the dating show, and be more about him trying not to get in trouble with Dil over this case.
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Post by James Fabiano on Apr 27, 2022 17:42:10 GMT -5
I’m not yet to the Miranda episodes in my watch-through, and don’t really remember seeing too many of them as a kid, so my frame of reference at this point is solely the Lucky episodes. Since that was the bulk of the series, though, I’d think that’s how the show is best remembered. And yeah, given the way Disney keeps rebooting/modernizing past franchises, it wouldn’t at all shock me for them to do something like your idea. No they only do it when it isn't needed and wouldn't add to an older title (see: Cauldron, Black.) Which now reminds me...hot take: Bonkers should have been the focus of what will be the Rescue Rangers movie.
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Post by mrtuesday on Apr 28, 2022 6:14:31 GMT -5
No they only do it when it isn't needed and wouldn't add to an older title (see: Cauldron, Black.) Which now reminds me...hot take: Bonkers should have been the focus of what will be the Rescue Rangers movie. A movie that features Roger Rabbit. When it was rumored that Spielberg has issues with Bonkers, seeing it as ripping off Roger Rabbit. Yeah, Bonkers was never going to be in a movie that Roger Rabbit was in.
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