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Post by sportatorium on Jun 13, 2021 21:54:16 GMT -5
Kross is a lesser version of Reigns. They have everyone that people like put him over like he’s Austin or something. As others have mentioned, if he’s a heel, then make us hate him for HIS actions, not the booker’s actions.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2021 21:54:42 GMT -5
They have taken away his key strength his character work. And that squarely falls on NXT. I think when people in creative see Kross they were expecting someone who could get over like Goldberg or Ryback did. But those guys were given time to gain momentum and also I think their moves just looked more impactful that Kross's moveset looks (really aside from him attacking Balor when Scarlet got hurt he knocked down he hasn't really looked that intense in execution). But again, you also have Dunne and KOR white hot for months and that contributed as well Honestly I think the most immediate follow through they should do at this point is have Dunne squash Kross at the earliest opportunity. Their exchange was incredibly revealing about what the hot hand is.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2021 21:56:18 GMT -5
I'm digging Kross at the minute and I'm glad he won. He just GETS the character/presentation stuff. The other 4 in the ring... They're just regular guys. Wrestling should be more than that. I really can't agree with this at all... (I didn't watch tonight so maybe it's changed) but his character seems so detached from literally anything that we see from him in the ring and elsewhere it may as well not actually exist. He writes pages and pages of explanation of character notes but like... if they never come up on screen they're pointless. for instance Gargano is a smarmy douchebag with a hero complex and that comes through in almost literally everything he does including how he acts in the ring. I don't get that at all from Kross. I actually can’t stand how Johnny wrestles, he acts like a big chicken shit or someone that gets into way over his head. Then he gets in the ring and wrestles like an underdog babyface
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jun 13, 2021 21:56:39 GMT -5
If he was on the main roster everybody would love him Yes he would because all the smoke and mirrors would work to his complete favor....and to his strength like I have been saying which is his character. He would likely be cutting alot more promos which would better get across his entire persona which is something NXT is and has been strongly failing at especially with him. I also think for the weaknesses the main roster has creatively at time they would also be smart enough to do 2 things... 1)clearly define he is a heel or a face. 2)book him in matches against talent that would get him over as a monster. For all Vince's weaknesses (and he has a lot) Kross is the type of guy I think he and his crew could hide aspects for.... or they would start him in the role he had in Impact as the heavy for someone to give him an aura.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2021 21:56:55 GMT -5
They have taken away his key strength his character work. And that squarely falls on NXT. I think when people in creative see Kross they were expecting someone who could get over like Goldberg or Ryback did. But those guys were given time to gain momentum and also I think their moves just looked more impactful that Kross's moveset looks (really aside from him attacking Balor when Scarlet got hurt he knocked down he hasn't really looked that intense in execution). But again, you also have Dunne and KOR white hot for months and that contributed as well Yea he has to really tighten up well everything because I love me some Kross but his offence can look pretty....soft idk if it is because he is holding back or what but he has got to start laying in his offence harder or just change it entirely because the way he strikes and kicks is the real life technique and maybe that is an issue in that his offence isn't theatrical enough for tv.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2021 21:57:16 GMT -5
NXT needs WALTER so badly even though he doesn't want to come over full time.
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Post by hashtagdaley/JudasDay on Jun 13, 2021 21:58:40 GMT -5
Kross’s pillowsoft elbow to the back is an even shittier finish than his lame sleeper. It’s amazing. Lol
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2021 22:00:08 GMT -5
Kross’s pillowsoft elbow to the back is an even shittier finish than his lame sleeper. It’s amazing. Lol He does pretty good suplexes but everything else about his offense is so weak. I think Shane might be more convincing with the faux-MMA shit than he is.
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Post by darbus alan on Jun 13, 2021 22:04:53 GMT -5
Most seem to use a particular off-screen reason as their basis for doing so. I'll have to look it up and see what it is. Hopefully it's not anything insane. Without getting too into detail, he's at least not as crazy as Drake Wuertz, but still closer to him than is comfortable.
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Post by Mecca on Jun 13, 2021 22:06:39 GMT -5
Kross is nothing the NXT crowd likes..he's literally a main roster guy. Where I'll point out how many outstanding NXT guys Raw or Smackdown ruined, Kross will probably be better there. The NXT crowd wants big time high spots and fun moves Kross isn't made for that crowd.
Also his entrance and his character are nothing alike, they don't gel. He has a Triple H style entrance full of skulls, metal and occultist type shit and then he talks or wrestles and we'll doesn't convey any of that type of stuff.
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Post by Fade on Jun 13, 2021 22:33:36 GMT -5
If he was on the main roster everybody would love him I genuinely worry for the guy if/when he gets to the main roster. Dont think Vince will be patient enough to go to such lengths to protect the guy as H does. Crazy world where I worry for both a guy like Cole & a guy like Kross under Vince’s watch. I mean...why should we dislike Kross? What about him is heelish? He wins is matches legit so should I be mad at that? Should I be mad that he has an attractive wife? Should I be mad that he's got the world title rightfully so? Should I be mad that he doesn't back down to challenges? The guy's got no real reason for me to dislike him. Makes me we wonder if that’s why they’ve been going “shoot”-y on his presentation and what-not. Basically.. Kross is a lesser version of Reigns. They have everyone that people like put him over like he’s Austin or something. As others have mentioned, if he’s a heel, then make us hate him for HIS actions, not the booker’s actions.
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Post by hashtagdaley/JudasDay on Jun 13, 2021 22:41:46 GMT -5
Kross’s pillowsoft elbow to the back is an even shittier finish than his lame sleeper. It’s amazing. Lol He does pretty good suplexes but everything else about his offense is so weak. I think Shane might be more convincing with the faux-MMA shit than he is. Man, I was so hype on this guy after his first entrance and suplexing Leon Ruff directly on his dome. I’ve soured on guys fast (it’s happening with my girl Raquel as we speak) but I don’t think it’s ever happened as fast or as harsh as with Kross.
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Post by Gus Richlen: Ruffian on Jun 13, 2021 22:43:00 GMT -5
He does pretty good suplexes but everything else about his offense is so weak. I think Shane might be more convincing with the faux-MMA shit than he is. Man, I was so hype on this guy after his first entrance and suplexing Leon Ruff directly on his dome. I’ve soured on guys fast (it’s happening with my girl Raquel as we speak) but I don’t think it’s ever happened as fast or as harsh as with Kross. I was sour on him just from the vignettes, which I thought were painfully lame. Then he himself showed up and I fell asleep.
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Post by hashtagdaley/JudasDay on Jun 13, 2021 22:44:04 GMT -5
Man, I was so hype on this guy after his first entrance and suplexing Leon Ruff directly on his dome. I’ve soured on guys fast (it’s happening with my girl Raquel as we speak) but I don’t think it’s ever happened as fast or as harsh as with Kross. I was sour on him just from the vignettes, which I thought were painfully lame. Then he himself showed up and I fell asleep. I think it took two entrances for me. Lmao
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Post by darbus alan on Jun 13, 2021 22:46:55 GMT -5
From what I saw of him when he was in Impact, he worked a lot better there. I think he'd actually do pretty well on Raw or Smackdown, but he fits like a square peg in a round hole with NXT's style.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jun 13, 2021 22:47:19 GMT -5
He does pretty good suplexes but everything else about his offense is so weak. I think Shane might be more convincing with the faux-MMA shit than he is. Man, I was so hype on this guy after his first entrance and suplexing Leon Ruff directly on his dome. I’ve soured on guys fast (it’s happening with my girl Raquel as we speak) but I don’t think it’s ever happened as fast or as harsh as with Kross. Honestly Kross needed more matches like he had with Ruff and then Liam Gray instead after that? They immediately paired him with top guys. The NA title would have been perfect to build him up
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Post by hashtagdaley/JudasDay on Jun 13, 2021 22:51:33 GMT -5
From what I saw of him when he was in Impact, he worked a lot better there. I think he'd actually do pretty well on Raw or Smackdown, but he fits like a square peg in a round hole with NXT's style. Agree with this. I feel like I’ll be much more tolerable with him whenever he shows up on RAW.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jun 13, 2021 22:52:13 GMT -5
Man, I was so hype on this guy after his first entrance and suplexing Leon Ruff directly on his dome. I’ve soured on guys fast (it’s happening with my girl Raquel as we speak) but I don’t think it’s ever happened as fast or as harsh as with Kross. Honestly Kross needed more matches like he had with Ruff and then Liam Gray instead after that? They immediately paired him with top guys. The NA title would have been perfect to build him up See, I'm not sure about that. Because those kinds of squashes can immediately lead to "This guy can only do short matches, which means he's shit and can't work" if they go too long. And it wouldn't be the first time. Remember when Corbin debuted there and he was winning matches so quickly that the crowd were counting the seconds after a while? That got old quickly.
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Post by Helen of Jasper Troy on Jun 13, 2021 22:52:35 GMT -5
As someone that loves wrestlers who are kinda scary to watch, the huge entrance and shoot fighter vibes are absolutely soulcrushing for me when he starts actually wrestling. Karrion Katfish.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jun 13, 2021 23:05:53 GMT -5
As someone that loves wrestlers who are kinda scary to watch, the huge entrance and shoot fighter vibes are absolutely soulcrushing for me when he starts actually wrestling. Karrion Katfish. I love supernatural bullshit in my wrestling ... so kinda same... at least with the Big spooky entrance and original vignettes...
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